Matt. 24:21 Wake Up Call?

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1 Corinthians 10:11
Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Examples continue even in the present.

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[Stormcrow]

If the Bible is not written to the 21st century American audience, why are you reading or quoting it?

To correct your absurd declarations.

Passages about all, from God for all in any time frame.

The writer of Hebrews would disagree:

{1} God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, {2} in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. Hebrews 1:1-2 (NASB)

You see anything referring to 21st century Americans in that passage???

 

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As if God in Christ has ceased working against evil.

lol

 

[Elijah674]

To correct your absurd declarations.



The writer of Hebrews would disagree:

{1} God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, {2} in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. Hebrews 1:1-2 (NASB)

You see anything referring to 21st century Americans in that passage???

Hi! take a nape & try again;)
Remember the 'WAKE UP CALL?'

Surely you know that Christ QUOTED for proof, much of His OWN WORDS of the O.T.
Check out Matt. 4 with His 'ETERNAL WORDS' of denouncing satan.

--Elijah

 

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You can point out the fact that God remains against Satan to this moment to full preterists, that it was EVIL within their own hearts of the Jews that 'caused' the judgment to fall upon them, that also being OF SATAN.

Yet they can only see Jews. They do not see pawns of the working of evil powers.

And they prefer to blame and accuse only MAN.

Sound familiar? Familiar spirits have not ceased their blame and accusations of our brethren day and night.

They will pay the price of destruction.

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[reba]

If the Bible is not written to the 21st century American audience, why are you reading or quoting it?

Passages about all, from God for all in any time frame.

John, in a general form i would agree but your statement is not an absolute. There are passages in scripture to a time/situation certain.

 

[Elijah674]

(back to the 'Wake Up Call!;)
Here is a parable given to us from Christ. It has a two/time truth! (the Eccl. 1:9-10 & twice repeated as seen in chapter 3:15) If any want the explanation of this to the 12, it is only seen in Matt. 10:5-6 on, for the first time application.


(Matt. 10

[1] And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples,

....
[5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
[6] But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.)


Matt.25


[1] Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.



(note that these are not the Rev. 17:1-5 ones! But the Virgin candlestick one of Rev. 3)


[2] And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.



(Most might see the comparison of 1/2 or 50% here & the 1/3 who were cast out of Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15’s repeat of Rev. 12 who has it 1/3 who were finally cast out. A small remnant were saved as are we through ‘future Faith’ in Christ. But note again that these were true doctrinal believers! So no doubt that the heavenly rebellion at one time in it’s height of satan’s rebellion and was also seen in this parable as one/half.


[3] They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:



(And the Lamps had oil at the start! Rom. 8:1, yet, extra oil was lacking... that of maturity! Rom. 8:14 had Only believe, or faith alone! See James 2:26 for being dead without obedient works)


[4] But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
[5] While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.


[6] And at [[midnight there was a cry made]], Behold, the bridegroom cometh; [[go ye out]] to meet him.

(And this is the repeated message for Matt. 24:21 on verses of today! + compare Rev. 18:4 WARNING!)




[7] Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
[8] And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
[9] But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
[10] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage:

and the door was shut.
[11] Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
[12] But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
[13] Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.



--Elijah

 

[Hitch]

If the Bible is not written to the 21st century American audience, why are you reading or quoting it?

Passages about all, from God for all in any time frame.

Sell all you have and give the money to the poor.

 

[John 8:32]

Sell all you have and give the money to the poor.

Why would I? The Bible wasn't written for us today, only for the Jews of that time.

???????


1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

 

[John 8:32]

John, in a general form i would agree but your statement is not an absolute. There are passages in scripture to a time/situation certain.

You are right and I was wrong here. i was a little over-zealous. I was just turning the statement of 'written by Jews, about Jews and for Jews" around and it didn't come out as an accurate statement. There are passages that only apply at/under certain conditions.

 

[Elijah674]

Repeated history God documents! (The Eccl. verses) OK: back to the TITLE!

Christ came the First time! (to His own)

We see the MIDNIGHT CRY. (Matt. 25:parable)

Was that a REAL SHAKING OR WHAT?? (Eccl.'s repeat) See 2 Thess. 2:1-3 for the first time & the repeated second time requirement!! And this is only seen twice at both of Christ's ex/Virgin Fold as in doctrine! His first coming & His second coming. (note Matt. 23:3! even note ibid 23 'to not leave the other undone'!)

The cry went to Christ's ex/bride. Who stayed put & who left whom?? Acts was the New extended Church made up of the remnant of old Israel. See Matt. 23:38's DESOLATE HOUSE! And who now took over? See Rev. 3:9's repeat!

And this IS THE WAKE UP CALL! MIDNIGHT OF EARTHS LIFE! Jer. 4:21-27!

--Elijah

PS: Now who is going to high/jack the thread again??;)

 

[Stormcrow]

Why would I? The Bible wasn't written for us today, only for the Jews of that time.

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You do understand the difference between the prepositions "to" and "for", don't you?

1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

What happened to "them", what was "written", and upon "whom" was the end of the world coming?

 

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The world in full preterism = Some Jews in 70 a.d.

Heaven and earth in full preterism = a pile of stones in Jerusalem 70 a.d.

sure.

 

[reba]

Elijah has politely ask to stay/get back to topic. Please respect the OPs wishes. This is in red because it is the last warning/request, before i delete off topic posts. reba

We have forums for preterist topics please take the subject there.

 

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What does it mean to AWAKEN?

Romans 13:
11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

In order to 'cast off' the works of darkness brings a very certain requirement to understand we HAVE same to cast off.

This is the DIVISION that The Spirit of Christ brings to us, when we CLOAK ourselves In Him.

14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

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[Elijah674]

What does it mean to AWAKEN?

Romans 13:
11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

In order to 'cast off' the works of darkness brings a very certain requirement to understand we HAVE same to cast off.

This is the DIVISION that The Spirit of Christ brings to us, when we CLOAK ourselves In Him.

14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

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The Midnight Cry as seen in the Bible? Gen. 6:3 was one! 120 years of the Holy Spirit Lovingly Striving along beside Noah’s preaching!
So here is my take on this from just Isaiah on.
I see it as being ‘spiritually asleep’. Several times in the Bible at least the High/Lite is seen, as 'i' see it.

And surely it was First with Christ's True Virgin Fold in the Universe. Their rebellion that surely had them ALL 'sleeping'! Matt. 25:1

Next: We see Isa. 5:1-3’s True Virgin Vineyard having to have a 'Midnight Cry' to be Awakened... see verse 5’s free choice that the made prophesied to be made!! Note Matt. 23:38 MATURE REJECTION! And see why some did so in John 12:42-43!

Next? Acts New Extended Virgin Fold (in doctrine)
Next: We see Rev. 18:4's FATAL WARNING OR THEIR LAST MIDNIGHT CRY!
[1] And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
[2] And he [[cried mightily]] with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
[3] For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
[4] And [[I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers]] of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

(And whom was this last Midnight Cry too?)
[1] And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
[2] With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
[3] So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.


[4] And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
[5] And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE [[MOTHER OF HARLOTS]] AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.


But in this last midnight cry's ending, they are 'prophesied as all lost', those who still remain 'in yoked membership' being known PARTAKERS of satan's false doctrinal stuff.

Ask yourself, who of these ones have changed in any way their many false doctrine that they as a church denomination preached for truth when they started up, well well past any 120 years ago? (again see Gen. 6:3)
--Elijah

 

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Ask yourself, who of these ones have changed in any way their many false doctrine that they as a church denomination preached for truth when they started up, well well past any 120 years ago? (again see Gen. 6:3)
--Elijah

The idea that 'correct doctrine' will save anyone is laughable.

A believer can believe all they want about correct doctrines and it will for example avail the tempter's workings in their own minds exactly NOTHING.

Don't you know that the division/separation that we abide in HOPE for is an internal one, dividing and severing us completely from the intrusions of the tempter and/or his minions in our thought life?

Don't you see that the virgins are in fact bound together in sleep and then awakened and separated?

Proverbs 11:21
Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered.

The wicked are in fact SEVERED from amongst where? That's right, the JUST.

Matthew 13:49
So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just

If you say you have no tempter tempting your mind with sin thoughts, no temptation, no sin thought of the tempter which IS SIN, I might well say such are foolish virgins crying out to God to unlock the door, even though God does not know them. God won't be letting any liars through the Door.

It won't and can't happen.

The Door is both open and closed RIGHT NOW as we speak.

"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."

He who has 'an ear' is a man who is honest before our Maker about the facts of our hearts. Fact is, we ain't the only occupant. The tempter is there as well, TRYING IN VAIN to sneak in.

It just ain't gonna happen that way. This does not stop the liar from trying however.

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[Elijah674]

The idea that 'correct doctrine' will save anyone is laughable.

A believer can believe all they want about correct doctrines and it will for example avail the tempter's workings in their own minds exactly NOTHING.

Don't you know that the division/separation that we abide in HOPE for is an internal one, dividing and severing us completely from the intrusions of the tempter and/or his minions in our thought life?

Don't you see that the virgins are in fact bound together in sleep and then awakened and separated?

Proverbs 11:21
Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered.

The wicked are in fact SEVERED from amongst where? That's right, the JUST.

Matthew 13:49
So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just

If you say you have no tempter tempting your mind with sin thoughts, no temptation, no sin thought of the tempter which IS SIN, I might well say such are foolish virgins crying out to God to unlock the door, even though God does not know them. God won't be letting any liars through the Door.

It won't and can't happen.

The Door is both open and closed RIGHT NOW as we speak.

"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."

He who has 'an ear' is a man who is honest before our Maker about the facts of our hearts. Fact is, we ain't the only occupant. The tempter is there as well, TRYING IN VAIN to sneak in.

It just ain't gonna happen that way. This does not stop the liar from trying however.

s

Hi, you have a way about twisting things up! Read 2 Cor 4:2. I would suggest that you 'WAKE UP' ;) and tell me where 'i' ever even hinted at, that 'correct doctrines' save anyone? If you read with 'open eyes' you would find that the fault that Christ documented in His Midnight Cry message was found in..
Matt. 23
[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,


[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:


[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [[that observe and do;]] but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.


People are saved conditionally by obeying the Truth that they have been Rom. 8:14 Led to believe. And yes, surely Acts 4:12 has no other name to be saved by than Christ!! But, to say that Christ has NOT ONE FAITH (Eph. 4:5) is far feteched as 'i' see it! Ps. 77:13

And are finally lost by their rejection! James 4
[17] Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

--Elijah

 

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Hi, you have a way about twisting things up! Read 2 Cor 4:2. I would suggest that you 'WAKE UP' ;) and tell me where 'i' ever even hinted at, that 'correct doctrines' save anyone? If you read with 'open eyes' you would find that the fault that Christ documented in His Midnight Cry message was found in..
Matt. 23
[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,


[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:


[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [[that observe and do;]] but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.


People are saved conditionally by obeying the Truth that they have been Rom. 8:14 Led to believe. And yes, surely Acts 4:12 has no other name to be saved by than Christ!! But, to say that Christ has NOT ONE FAITH (Eph. 4:5) is far feteched as 'i' see it! Ps. 77:13

And are finally lost by their rejection! James 4
[17] Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

--Elijah

As stated prior, correct obedience to either Law or doctrine will avail the tempter who is with/within 'believers' exactly ZERO.

Jesus will not be saving the tempter, but dividing him from us and destroying him entirely.

If a believer doesn't realize what we are being saved and divided from they just can't see these matters. If you see only believers you are not getting a 'whole' picture.

All this feigned obedience speaks NOTHING to the fact of the presence of the tempter. It does in fact blatantly and blindly ignore it via SLEEP that presence induces.

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[Elijah674]

As stated prior, correct obedience to either Law or doctrine will avail the tempter who is with/within 'believers' exactly ZERO.

Jesus will not be saving the tempter, but dividing him from us and destroying him entirely.

If a believer doesn't realize what we are being saved and divided from they just can't see these matters. If you see only believers you are not getting a 'whole' picture.

All this feigned obedience speaks NOTHING to the fact of the presence of the tempter. It does in fact blatantly and blindly ignore it via SLEEP that presence induces.

s

Inspiration say it 100% opposite to that [posting!}--> Rev. 3

[14] And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

[15] I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
[16] So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, [[I will spue thee out of my mouth]].

[17] Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:


No, that is not you per/say for it is the whole Virgin candlestick that makes Christ SICK! Yet, individually your post..

'As stated prior, correct obedience to either Law or doctrine will avail the tempter who is with/within 'believers' exactly ZERO.' [unquote] sure is [SICK!]

--Elijah

PS: Matt.23
[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.