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[__ Science __ ] Millions Injured By Covid Vaccine

Huh 🤔 God made the world this way?
Yep. And He said it's good.
At least now your teeth are actually showing
Someone's are. And sheep don't have fangs.

And I thought the world is the way it is because of the fall.
God didn't punish other things for our sins. He is just, remember? He punished us. Evil exists only in humans on this world.
Would you look at this whole other doctrine you're spewing that I never heard before !
A lot of people, when they first learn about Christians, are surprised. So that's understandable.
Ok then where is the line of demarcation-what is right and what is wrong? According to you everything is alright then.
If you think so, you have a lot of trouble with reading comprehension.
Scripture does say He made both good and evil. But does that mean he makes man choose evil....?
You don't understand what that means. He doesn't mean wickedness. He means misfortune. Bad things happen. But God is entirely good and does not create wickedness.

Church father Hippolytus of Rome (170 – 235 AD) rendered it this way several centuries ago when he wrote: ‘….the word of Isaiah, I, the Lord, make peace, and create evil; meaning by that, I maintain peace, and permit war.'” (J. H. MacMahon (translator) “On Psalm LXXVII” in The Refutation of All Heresies by Hippolytus, Edinburgh: T & T Clark, 1868, p429)


“He gave them up … that is, he permitted them to rush by their own will, or as impelled by the devil: for this signification of permission is extremely frequent in the Hebrew verbs …” (Philip Melanchthon, as quoted in The Dark Side of Things: An Exposition in The Evangelical Repository: A Quarterly Magazine of Theological Literature, Vol. 1 Glasgow: Lang, Adamson, 1863, p100)

Note that, while the reference above is quoted form a source published in 1863, it is attributed to Melanchthon, an associate of Martin Luther from hundreds of years earlier.



“When God is said to harden men’s hearts,-to deliver them up to a reprobate mind,-to send them strong delusions, that they should believe a lie, and the like;- it is infinitely far from being meant of an efficacious impulse in God Almighty. That all those verbs,- to harden, to blind, to deliver up, to send delusions, to deceive, and the like,-are by an ordinary Hebraism only permissive in signification, though active in sound, is placed without all controversy.” (Thomas Pierce, I, p23-24 edition of 1658 as quoted in Jackson, The Providence of God, p401)

Let it be God's way, and this will bother you no longer.
 
And on goes the misuse of Scripture and the hypocrisy. Firstly, context is important when understanding Scripture:

When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. But go and learn what this means: I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance. Matthew 9:12-13

Jesus used a natural truth to illustrate a spiritual truth.

That’s His point. That’s the context.

  • Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.



But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor. Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work. 2 Timothy 2:20-21


It starts with repentance.




JLB
 
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That would apply to all manner of avoidance .

Glaucoma and other ailments have no symptoms.
Blood pressure ,high cholesterol.

I'm not a big type to run to doctors but as I age .guess what new manners of aches and pain .

There are things vets suffer that even church pastors who aren't vets with PTSD wont get .
 
Yep. And He said it's good.

Someone's are. And sheep don't have fangs.


God didn't punish other things for our sins. He is just, remember? He punished us. Evil exists only in humans on this world.

A lot of people, when they first learn about Christians, are surprised. So that's understandable.

If you think so, you have a lot of trouble with reading comprehension.

You don't understand what that means. He doesn't mean wickedness. He means misfortune. Bad things happen. But God is entirely good and does not create wickedness.

Church father Hippolytus of Rome (170 – 235 AD) rendered it this way several centuries ago when he wrote: ‘….the word of Isaiah, I, the Lord, make peace, and create evil; meaning by that, I maintain peace, and permit war.'” (J. H. MacMahon (translator) “On Psalm LXXVII” in The Refutation of All Heresies by Hippolytus, Edinburgh: T & T Clark, 1868, p429)


“He gave them up … that is, he permitted them to rush by their own will, or as impelled by the devil: for this signification of permission is extremely frequent in the Hebrew verbs …” (Philip Melanchthon, as quoted in The Dark Side of Things: An Exposition in The Evangelical Repository: A Quarterly Magazine of Theological Literature, Vol. 1 Glasgow: Lang, Adamson, 1863, p100)

Note that, while the reference above is quoted form a source published in 1863, it is attributed to Melanchthon, an associate of Martin Luther from hundreds of years earlier.



“When God is said to harden men’s hearts,-to deliver them up to a reprobate mind,-to send them strong delusions, that they should believe a lie, and the like;- it is infinitely far from being meant of an efficacious impulse in God Almighty. That all those verbs,- to harden, to blind, to deliver up, to send delusions, to deceive, and the like,-are by an ordinary Hebraism only permissive in signification, though active in sound, is placed without all controversy.” (Thomas Pierce, I, p23-24 edition of 1658 as quoted in Jackson, The Providence of God, p401)

Let it be God's way, and this will bother you no longer.
Lol! Do you think quoting this or that makes you something? No, God did not make the world this way. That is Christianity 101 . You learn about the fall in Sunday school. Unless you are implying Satan is God ?You can go and put this or that out there all you want. If it is contradicting Genesis and the prophets then you are only trash talking . Your compass is set on the wrong star of the show. Scripture does say satan does like to masquerade as an angel of light. Too bad it is artificial like that Luciferase pulsing in people who are unaware.

Clearly, you don't know what a testament is or covenant or what salvation and Redemption mean. The earth will be that last to be redeemed. It will begin with the land of Canaan while people are here on earth before the second coming. You would have to understand the story of Ruth and Boaz.

Don't get me wrong, most people will listen to your stuff. But for sure God did not make the world fall nor man fall or angels.

Even I can make a deck of cards and deal them out, the players play what they want.

You do fit in with the " Wokeness" tho. Reinventing meaning of words, changing history , interjecting and coupling up your forefather's quotes with scripture. You can twist and put big words of men. Here are the facts jack, God is no hypocrite, nor like the sons of men that He should change His mind or repent. You should have been reading your bible in love then God would have let you see that. Instead you want to be all pomp and name drop -except not Christ's verbiage. What I revealed is fact! Genesis is clear, Isaiah is clear , God is clear. The world is the reflection of the fallen nature. You heard the saying "If it aint broke then don't fix it." Well, it's broke, Christ came to fix it . According to you He came for nothing because why fix what God made? He is God , the Word of God who made the world that Lucifer broke . If Lucifer didn't break it then- in your opinion Christ came for nothing.

The world is as men have made it by letting the destroyer in. God is going to fix those men😁. That is why there is a heaven and hell, the saints and sinners heaven and earth - new earth on the horizon. He came to make all things new because Lucifer broke everything. Duh! I learned that in preschool. So much for all your scholarly line dropping.😵
 
When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. But go and learn what this means: I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance. Matthew 9:12-13

Jesus used a natural truth to illustrate a spiritual truth.

That’s His point. That’s the context.

  • Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.

You are accusing Jesus of teaching a lie, to promote a spiritual truth.


This is because your mind is deranged, from being a spiritual sewer to receive what the world is spreading through the main stream media, which is promoting the satanic agenda of the left.


You yourself must cleanse yourself from these things.

But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor. Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work. 2 Timothy 2:20-21


It starts with repentance.




JLB
I wasn't addressing that verse, but, since you brought it up, you are misusing that one as well. Your understanding means that Jesus thought the Pharisees were actually righteous. Your understanding of that verse also means that people would get very sick and some would die because they would be going to the doctor too late. There is nothing in the Bible against preventative medicine. In fact, God has provided humans with the knowledge to be able to make sure healthy people stay healthy by catching bad things before they actually get bad.
 
It is a conspiracy for sure. The kings of the earth have conspired against God and His anointed. Fact is jack I got it right and you got nothing, I have advanced this discussion right to the point of the matter . I revealed exactly what's going on. Your flippant response needs some legitimate facts from scripture. Scripture is exposing the very conspiracy that you say is not. Not to mention the science that is out there concerning genetic altering. It's all documented. Heck even the media talks about China's GMO soldiers. We have the science, no one can deny that. Now if your argument is- " Not in America, not other countries, they would never do that because all men are ethical" then you don't need to be here dropping scripture as though men aren't ethical, now do you! Problem is you call good evil and evil good and use scripture against the good as though they were evil to support your reverse day theology! No different than the " Woke" agenda all around. But soon people like you wil not be able to malign the truth. It will be all for or against. You will know what side you are really on. Hot or cold day and night, the sons of darkness or the sons of light! We are entering the no more in between- lukewarm!

" In those days they will say to Me, Lord, lord did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, do mighty works in your name? I will say to them depart from Me you workers of lawlessness, I never knew you!"
See, I am right and you are wrong. I put meaning to parables and prophecy and you can't. You try to put the eternal gospel as pertaining to the world as not separating when clearly it separates. You tell the healthy they need a physcian you make the healthy sick. You know science can do what I reveal scripture says it will do. The times have caught up to the prophets. The fallen ones corrupted the human genome during Noah's time and it has all come back around. I show that time, prophecy and history are colliding, you are simply denying the times we live in, the history unfolding and prophecy which calls it as God sees it and all is aligning with. Man cannot deny the facts before the events nor the events which are prophetic! Bye ✌️ out!
It is sin to promote something as truth that you cannot, by definition, know to be true.
 
I wasn't addressing that verse,


That’s the only verse I have quoted that relates to Covid Vaccine.


You seem confused.
 
Lol! Do you think quoting this or that makes you something?
It makes God the Creator. A good Creator, whose creation is good.
No, God did not make the world this way.
I know you believe that. But as you see, most Christians don't believe it. Fortunately, it's not a salvation issue. So long as you don't make an idol of your new doctrine and claim all Christians must believe it, you're as good a Christian as anyone else.
Too bad it is artificial like that Luciferase pulsing in people who are unaware.
Maybe so. Funny how everyone thinks it's happening to someone else...
You do fit in with the " Wokeness" tho.
I kinda thought you were a "woke" kinda person. I don't know what it means, but you guys seem to think it's really important.

I think if you got back to Christianity 101 and listened to Jesus instead of those guys making new doctrines, you'd be happier and closer to Him. Here's a start:

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the greatest commandment in the law? [37] Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind. [38] This is the greatest and the first commandment. [39] And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.

Love God, love your fellow man. And you can't go wrong. It's so easy to understand, but so hard for willful humans to do. Work on it. It's what salvation is all about.
 
It makes God the Creator. A good Creator, whose creation is good.

I know you believe that. But as you see, most Christians don't believe it. Fortunately, it's not a salvation issue. So long as you don't make an idol of your new doctrine and claim all Christians must believe it, you're as good a Christian as anyone else.

Maybe so. Funny how everyone thinks it's happening to someone else...

I kinda thought you were a "woke" kinda person. I don't know what it means, but you guys seem to think it's really important.

I think if you got back to Christianity 101 and listened to Jesus instead of those guys making new doctrines, you'd be happier and closer to Him. Here's a start:

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the greatest commandment in the law? [37] Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind. [38] This is the greatest and the first commandment. [39] And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.

Love God, love your fellow man. And you can't go wrong. It's so easy to understand, but so hard for willful humans to do. Work on it. It's what salvation is all about.
To your point "Most Christians don't believe that" clearly! Hence, my point about the sower.You all fell asleep. So now reap what was sown. Should have stayed awake! To your last point; if you loved God you would not be promoting abortion laden shots, if you loved God you would not hate babies and promte the shots. So, don't dare preach to me about love.
 
The same reason they were afraid during the first century when Paul wrote to the Church in Rome and when he instructed Timothy.


Giving heed to the world, and the things of this world.

Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. James 4:4

  • Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

John says it this way --

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1 John 2:15



No love of the Father = Fear


Foolish, foolish Christians sit in front of their TV set and allow the world to poison their mind and their families mind with a flood of deception, then turn around a promote the same lie to their brothers and sisters in Christ rather than giving heed to Jesus Christ and His word.

Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. Matthew 9:12


Perfectly well people have no need of some "vaccine".

If someone gets sick then see a physician.
So you quote the Bible that we did not receive a spirit of fear but have no trouble with christians being deathly afraid of a virus? I think they have indeed received a spirit of fear despite that fact that God did not give it.

I am a very practical person and compare real life to what the Bible describes as to the kind of beings we are. When I see christians being afraid of that which they ought not to be afraid of (the early christians were so NOT afraid that they were not afraid of giving their lives in what they believed), then I KNOW that they have listened to man and embraced fear. They are so afraid that they refuse to assemble themselves together despite the command to do so. There are churches who refused to refuse to assemble and God rewarded this and in one case, the whole nation benefited from believers standing up to wrong.)
 
It is difficult. Even many " free speech " platforms are controlled opposition. Implementing Lenin's infamous decree" In every great revolution there is always opposition, we will be the opposition ". Even when you think you have links or vids they eventually get removed or changed. Not only that even reputable doctors are smeared.
It is essentially too late to get good information any more. In the beginning honest scientists and doctors saw problems with the jabs and what they predicted, if you could get the information at that time (available for months), has happened.

I do not have a PhD and I saw the problems in the narrative early on. It did not match known science. It just didn't. One can find now clips of the government saying the 100% opposite of what CDC promised when the jabs were released (get the jabs and you won't get sick, we never said get the jabs and you won't get sick, get the jabs and you won't end up in the hospital, well, we never promised you won't end up in the hospital, just you won't die.) I read the information as to what those jabs do from uncensored scientists and then from the government and the government version was way watered down. They had a great PR and marketing company. The only amazing thing is people still defend the government and the only rational explanation is that they themselves got many jabs and cannot afford to admit it was a big mistake. That takes a lot of honesty. The spirit of fear has them too strongly for that.
 
I wasn't addressing that verse, but, since you brought it up, you are misusing that one as well. Your understanding means that Jesus thought the Pharisees were actually righteous. Your understanding of that verse also means that people would get very sick and some would die because they would be going to the doctor too late. There is nothing in the Bible against preventative medicine. In fact, God has provided humans with the knowledge to be able to make sure healthy people stay healthy by catching bad things before they actually get bad.
It was somewhat delightful to learn about the "leaves" or plants or natural things one can take that prevent some illnesses. I come from traditional medicine both privately and from my education and I was quite surprised by some simple wisdom that natural elements can do in reducing inflammation, as you say, God given healing elements. I thought it was the kindness and blessing of God He put in the natural world for our benefit.
 
When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. But go and learn what this means: I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance. Matthew 9:12-13

Jesus used a natural truth to illustrate a spiritual truth.

That’s His point. That’s the context.

  • Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.

You are accusing Jesus of teaching a lie, to promote a spiritual truth.


This is because your mind is deranged, from being a spiritual sewer to receive what the world is spreading through the main stream media, which is promoting the satanic agenda of the left.


You yourself must cleanse yourself from these things.

But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor. Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work. 2 Timothy 2:20-21


It starts with repentance.




JLB
My very dear JLB,

You know I am fond of you and generally am on your side of discussions as I find we agree on many things. But you are a far better Christian than to stoop to calling Free's mind deranged. His mind is not deranged. His mind is not a spiritual sewer. I remind you of the scripture that says that the angels did not says insulting things to the Devil who wanted the body of Moses but just said "The Lord rebuke you." Jesus does not want us condemning our brethren with nasty names we would not want to be called ourselves. Unfortunately we are not allowed to say, "you are wrong," which would be preferable to "you are a .....insert uncomplimentary adjective."
 
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