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modern christian view of sexuality not realistic
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Carry_Your_Name
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Only if gay means happy instead of homosexual.Yeah, a really gay movie.
Carry_Your_Name
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Don't know who "they" are, don't care either. Anybody can "look" happy on camera, whether they're really happy is between them and God.They always look pretty happy to me.
Hi addonai
But I'm just curious where you found the evidence to support some position that if we don't teach our children about such things that they then won't be able to 'deal with reality'.
So, I'm not really clear on this idea that 'christian' parents are somehow denying their children the ability to grow into mature adults if they don't handle these issues as you claim. I fellowship with a fairly large baptist fellowship in my hometown and we have probably 200 young children from pre-school to college and they all seem to come out with their heads pretty well adjusted to adulthood. They seem to generally marry and know how to have children, but they've been warned, if through no other source than the Scriptures that they study as they grow through their formative years, of the dangers of immoral sexual activity.
But that may be explained in the fact that I believe that God's instructions on all matters is paramount in its wisdom of such matters.
God bless,
Ted
Is that your professional opinion or is there some factual basis on which you make that claim? And is it the sexual knowledge or the violence knowledge that, according to your claim, seems to deter the 'strong enough to deal with reality' type growth? I mean, I'm all for warning children of some of the dangers that might befall them if they might get into some strangers car, or take candy from a stranger, or looking both ways before crossing the street, etc.
But I'm just curious where you found the evidence to support some position that if we don't teach our children about such things that they then won't be able to 'deal with reality'.
Well, you are over here in the 'christian' threads and that is what God's word tells us to do. Are you a believer? As one myself, I do tend to put more weight in what God instructs us to do over what man instructs us to do. The first few chapters of the proverbs pretty much continue the idea that we are supposed to stay away from such things.
I would generally agree with that.
I find this claim to be quite a stretch. You honestly believe that parents who teach the biblical model of staying away from such things as sexual impurity or violence means that they aren't adults? Really??? That's your position?
Certainly not, but it should be monitored if a parent cares about what their child is learning from the internet. I mean, let's face it, even adults fall for a lot of the lying crap that is displayed on a lot of the internet sites. If you've ever researched how easy it is to find porn on the internet, as a parent, yes, I'd be concerned about that. But I suppose that your position is that if a child doesn't see some man having relations with another man, that they're somehow denied the knowledge that would make them a worthy adult. Did I get that about right?
Yes, but wise parents can believe that there are appropriate ages in which they should discuss such issues with their children.
So, I'm not really clear on this idea that 'christian' parents are somehow denying their children the ability to grow into mature adults if they don't handle these issues as you claim. I fellowship with a fairly large baptist fellowship in my hometown and we have probably 200 young children from pre-school to college and they all seem to come out with their heads pretty well adjusted to adulthood. They seem to generally marry and know how to have children, but they've been warned, if through no other source than the Scriptures that they study as they grow through their formative years, of the dangers of immoral sexual activity.
But that may be explained in the fact that I believe that God's instructions on all matters is paramount in its wisdom of such matters.
God bless,
Ted
D-D-W
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I am not sure I can agree with that. There are hormonal imbalances that could cause lack of sex drive. There are also medications that can suppress the drive. But the person themselves can be an adult, at least in age. Physical maturity may be another issue. From the 15th century until the very early 20th century there were a class of opera singers called "castrati" who had stunning voices and were castrated at a very early age to prevent the change of voice that comes with puberty. They grew up, (often quite tall) but were not physically adult. Some had sexual feelings and some did not.
The church I attended in college taught that you were to be the sexual equivalent of a 5 year old until you say "I DO," at which point all the adult feelings and understandings are instantly downloaded to you.
Have you ever heard of DID? Disassociative Identity Disorder? It is where you partition off part of your personality and dump unwanted stuff (usually trauma) in that sliver so the main personality can go on happily unaware of the junk. It can be done with sexual feelings as well as trauma.
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Hey D-D-W
God bless,
Ted
Well, I did say 'generally', intending that yes, I agree that there are anomalies that would make that truth invalid. But I believe that generally speaking, adults do have some experience or knowledge of sexual matters. That's what I understood the claim of what addonai was saying in his post on this singular and specific matter of an adults knowledge and understanding of sexual matters. And I believe that most adults come to that knowledge whether or not their parents may have given them some extensive knowledge of sexual matters or not.
God bless,
Ted
Christ_empowered
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Hi 
CS Lewis writes about putting God on the dock, or on trial. This is quite common for those still in and of the world
. The Good News 
is foolishness to them, and it shows.
Believers…not so much. I’m a recovering gay lol
truth? My rather sad 
story that only partly involves being in an urban gay community long ago is not that unusual. Teenage gay dude middle class family etc etc…won’t last long. I’m alive because God spared me time 
and time again…
A Christian worldview is necessary. Sexual morality reflects a larger worldview. In Christianity
sex is for heterosexual lifelong monogamous marriages. Marriage isn’t for everyone but it is for many probably most believers.
Homosexual behavior…sodomy…is forbidden
. I think 
it’s largely for our own good. Especially with male homosexuality relationships are the exception to the rule. Male male unions might reduce the number of partners and provide some stability but these unions are not the equivalent of a heterosexual marriage.
Sodomy is strictly forbidden also because there doesn’t seem to be anything God can do with it. Young heterosexuals engaging in hook up culture can have a baby maybe get married…
Not so much in the same sex world
.
I think
it’s wise to separate the Bible from church subcultures. Many church 
️ subcultures are toxic. I don’t pretend to know how or why this happened but it is what it is…
The Bible is open about God’s will and character, and it shows His work in a fallen cruel world. Church subcultures….?
I dunno
maybe it’s because I didn’t even think about Jesus Christ until age 24 and I didn’t fully repent until age 28…
I don’t understand church subcultures or what keeps people in them. People who choose to have kids
should teach their children 
about sex and sexuality. I don’t understand churches ️ that make people crazy 
with un biblical beliefs and lifestyle and approaches to sexuality…
Rambling…
God knows our frailty both as individuals and collectively as fallen creatures. He also gives us His commands. We cannot let worldly wisdom substitute for divine wisdom…
CS Lewis writes about putting God on the dock, or on trial. This is quite common for those still in and of the world
. The Good News is foolishness to them, and it shows. Believers…not so much. I’m a recovering gay lol
truth? My rather sad story that only partly involves being in an urban gay community long ago is not that unusual. Teenage gay dude middle class family etc etc…won’t last long. I’m alive because God spared me time and time again…A Christian worldview is necessary. Sexual morality reflects a larger worldview. In Christianity
sex is for heterosexual lifelong monogamous marriages. Marriage isn’t for everyone but it is for many probably most believers. Homosexual behavior…sodomy…is forbidden
. I think it’s largely for our own good. Especially with male homosexuality relationships are the exception to the rule. Male male unions might reduce the number of partners and provide some stability but these unions are not the equivalent of a heterosexual marriage. Sodomy is strictly forbidden
also because there doesn’t seem to be anything God can do with it. Young heterosexuals engaging in hook up culture can have a baby maybe get married…Not so much in the same sex world
. I think
it’s wise to separate the Bible from church subcultures. Many church ️ subcultures are toxic. I don’t pretend to know how or why this happened but it is what it is…The Bible is open about God’s will and character, and it shows His work in a fallen cruel world
. Church subcultures….?I dunno
maybe it’s because I didn’t even think about Jesus Christ until age 24 and I didn’t fully repent until age 28…I don’t understand church subcultures or what keeps people in them. People who choose to have kids
should teach their children about sex and sexuality. I don’t understand churches ️ that make people crazy with un biblical beliefs and lifestyle and approaches to sexuality…Rambling…
God knows our frailty both as individuals and collectively as fallen creatures. He also gives us His commands. We cannot let worldly wisdom substitute for divine wisdom…
Carry_Your_Name
Member
In my knowledge, homosexuality originated from ancient Greece - or at least popularized in ancient Greece, it was kind of a brain child of misogyny and pedophelia. They saw women as objects for breeding and pleasure - wife for breeding, mistresses for pleasure, still a common view today. If they seek true love, a soul mate they could emotionally connect with and attach to, somebody who's physically and intellectually equal or superior, somebody whom they admire and respect, that can only be a man, 'cause women are beneath them. It's more of a spiritual pursuit and exploration than the satisfaction of animalistic desire. And oftentimes such a relationship took place between an old and a young man, one seeks physical beauty and youthful inspiration, the other wisdom and experience, something like that, hence the pedophelia part. It's kind of a twisted and sexualized teacher-student relationship, a pure, devoted, platonic love untainted by the prospects of proscuity, pregnancy, childbirth and childrearing.Hi
CS Lewis writes about putting God on the dock, or on trial. This is quite common for those still in and of the world
Believers…not so much. I’m a recovering gay lol
A Christian worldview is necessary. Sexual morality reflects a larger worldview. In Christianity
Homosexual behavior…sodomy…is forbidden
Sodomy is strictly forbidden
Not so much in the same sex world
I think
The Bible is open about God’s will and character, and it shows His work in a fallen cruel world
I dunno
I don’t understand church subcultures or what keeps people in them. People who choose to have kids
Rambling…
God knows our frailty both as individuals and collectively as fallen creatures. He also gives us His commands. We cannot let worldly wisdom substitute for divine wisdom…
And don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting or condoning any of these, I'm just exposing it. What I hate about homosexuality the most is the politicization of it, specifically targeting Christians. You're either with them and compromising your faith, or you're against them and being labelled a hater, a bigot, and they get to play the victim. That's another topic for another day, I won't go further on that.
Carry_Your_Name
Member
Another way to put it is something like this - from a secular view, specifically a Darwinian view, the only meaning of life is survival, the only purpose of life is reproduction, a successful life is to live as long as possible and breed as many offsprings as possible. You've got all your worldly possessions and achievements to outshine other men and impress the girls, essentially a fight for mating right, and you want to impress the most beautiful girl, the fairest among them all!Hi
CS Lewis writes about putting God on the dock, or on trial. This is quite common for those still in and of the world
Believers…not so much. I’m a recovering gay lol
A Christian worldview is necessary. Sexual morality reflects a larger worldview. In Christianity
Homosexual behavior…sodomy…is forbidden
Sodomy is strictly forbidden
Not so much in the same sex world
I think
The Bible is open about God’s will and character, and it shows His work in a fallen cruel world
I dunno
I don’t understand church subcultures or what keeps people in them. People who choose to have kids
Rambling…
God knows our frailty both as individuals and collectively as fallen creatures. He also gives us His commands. We cannot let worldly wisdom substitute for divine wisdom…
And by what standard do you determine beauty? Hmm, let's see. What are the most commonly recognized features of female beauty? Symmetrical face, smooth skin, narrow waist, wide hips, and medium–large breasts. Studies show that all of these are indicators of female fecundity level, by which their reproductive potential is assessed - Symmetrical face = healthy and normal genetics, no birth defect that causes disfigurement; smooth skin = general health and youthfulness, longer fertile years ahead; narrow waist plus wide hips, aka a lower waist-to-hip ratio = easier pregnancy and childbirth, also youthfulness; medium–large breasts = good nutrition for the baby. Whether this reproductive potential will be fulfilled is out of your concern, on the dating market, at the moment, these features consistently draw your attention, even if you hate babies, you're driven by the same underlying motive - a reproductive success.
Therefore, a "heteronormative" sexuality is reduced to an "animalistic" sexuality. Paul instructed husbands to "love" their wives, but whatever love you think have with her is always gonna be a reflection of this evolutionary phychology. So, how can I love as a man and not an animal? How can I enjoy a lover and not a breeder? How can I have a pure, platonic, non-reproductive agape love? Without a biblical understanding of sexuality, relationship and marriage, you reach the same conclusion: homosexuality.
Again, just to clarify, I'm just trying to figure out some of the logic and mental process behind this abomination, and also, why we really need a correct biblical view of sexuality.
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What? Lol.
So, if you weren't a Christian, you'd be gay? Is that what you're saying?
Carry_Your_Name
Member
No sir. If you don't love as a Christian, you love as an animal.
What does that even mean? There are plenty of non-Christians in the world. Are they just animals to you?
Carry_Your_Name
Member
Only if they view and assess women on a "hot or not" scale in the way I described.
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Carry_Your_Name
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Putting any mention of homosexuality aside, what really makes "modern christian view of sexuality" unrealistic is the secular view that all men are polygamous in nature, i.e. having multiple sexual partners; or at least a "serial monogamist", i.e. having one single sexual partner at a time, jumping from one sexual partner to another, that's the common practice among the Pharisees when they asked Jesus, "is it lawful to divorce for any reason?" And all women are hypergamous in nature, i.e. dating the highest quality man attainable. They'll give you a biology lession to justify it, that men prioritize quantity, women prioritize quality, it has become a consensus that marriage is expected to only last for a period of time - usually till menopause, spouses natually grow apart, "till death do us part" and "let no man separate" is romantic, it's idealistic, but not realistic. It's foolishness to them, just as Paul taught, but it's not foolishness to God. Originally it was taught in the context of the crucifixion of Christ, but it's not just limited to that, it can be extended to many other Christian teachings such as sexuality.
For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. (1 Cor. 22-25)
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Guys do that all the time. Even Christian guys.
Carry_Your_Name
Member
Then that’s being carnal. Carnal minded.
Christ_empowered
Member
I dunno homosexuality happens across cultures. I think many ancient cultures…especially the Greeks for whatever reasons…we’re both patriarchal and misogynistic, so upper class men who had the time money and inclination…plus the power…to pursue boys and young men from lower classes did so. And today…
I think there are different ways of doing homosexual life just as there are different ways of doing heterosexual life and marriage.
Some gay men do seem oddly misogynistic. I say oddly because I didn’t see it coming lol. Maybe I was just naive? Other homosexual men are not misogynistic and still others are more egalitarian and have a feminist and or socialist tilt to their outlook and lifestyle.
In Christianity sex is for marriage which often produces children 
. Older widows are specifically advised to consider remaining single by Paul. These same older widows are also to be supported by fellow believers. I don’t remember anything in the Bible speaking specifically to older widowers. Maybe it was assumed that they would remarry because of how society worked back then?
Jesus Christ simply says that divorce should be limited to adultery and Eve then the emphasis is on forgiveness and reconciliation. This is actually a huge step up for women and children from being regarded as property if the man 
and subject to being cast off or even sold off. Babies 
in ancient times often died from deliberate exposure…infanticide, basically.
homosexuality happens across cultures. I think many ancient cultures…especially the Greeks for whatever reasons…we’re both patriarchal and misogynistic, so upper class men who had the time money and inclination…plus the power…to pursue boys and young men from lower classes did so. And today…I think
there are different ways of doing homosexual life just as there are different ways of doing heterosexual life and marriage.Some gay men do seem oddly misogynistic. I say oddly because I didn’t see it coming lol
. Maybe I was just naive? Other homosexual men are not misogynistic and still others are more egalitarian and have a feminist and or socialist tilt to their outlook and lifestyle.In Christianity
sex is for marriage which often produces children . Older widows are specifically advised to consider remaining single by Paul. These same older widows are also to be supported by fellow believers. I don’t remember anything in the Bible speaking specifically to older widowers. Maybe it was assumed that they would remarry because of how society worked back then?Jesus Christ simply says that divorce should be limited to adultery and Eve then the emphasis is on forgiveness and reconciliation. This is actually a huge step up for women and children
from being regarded as property if the man and subject to being cast off or even sold off. Babies in ancient times often died from deliberate exposure…infanticide, basically.Girls do it, too. It's part of being human.