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More on Redemption ! Secures unto us our regeneration
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If men are in sin, they cannot have fellowship with God.
You, mistakenly, assign that lack of fellowship to all men.
Some men walk in the light, and have had all their past sins washed away by the blood of Christ.
They can say they have no sin.
Sinfulness would manifest that one in walking in darkness.
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If a Christian sins, and immediately repents, because he is convicted of his sin, turns to God and confesses his sin, he will be forgiven and cleansed, and continue in fellowship with God and his brothers in Christ.
He will also learn from his mistake, and be wiser for it, and pass on his experience for the betterment of his brothers and sisters in Christ.
His testimony will encourage others.
- If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
1 John 1:8-10
JLB
How about His sheep who become lost?
“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Like 15:4-7
- Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.
Christians who wander away and become lost must repent, and be reconciled back to Him.
JLB
Sorry but the scriptures plainly say…
- If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
1 John 1:8-10
As we all can plainly see, John includes himself in the narrative, along with his brothers and sisters in Christ. Knowing at some point we will have one thought or one word out of God’s will. Thank God we have Jesus, and His blood to cleanse us of all unrighteousness.
All glory to God!
- If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
JLB
Of course they sin, and Jesus gave us instructions on how we should deal with a brother who sins.
“Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. Matthew 18;15-17
- Moreover if your brother sins against you
- If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
I would be very careful about teaching directly against the doctrine of Christ, if I were you. Those who teach against the teaching of Christ, are teaching a false doctrine.
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9
JLB
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Serving Zion
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I only asked you to give an explanation. I haven't asked you to become defensive. Why did you respond with defensiveness? Are you afraid to answer the question? Are you offended that I asked you to give more explanation?
Perishing, lost, same thing. Man naturally is in a unsaved, unregenerate state, and while so, the Gospel is hidden from them.
Thats not biblical friend !
Sheep that become Lost ? Have you ever read Lk 15 ? Their Shepherd finds them Lk 15:4-6
4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
Give credit to the Shepherd who finds His Sheep that was lost !
But I been giving explanations to my post I have posted, why aren't those explanations recognized sir ?
Serving Zion
Member
I asked a specific question, for you to give explanation to it. The question comes naturally based on what you have said, and it should be obvious to you that if a person has asked a question then they haven't already found the answer in what you have already said.
The reason your explanations aren't recognized as an answer to the question is that they aren't given as an answer to the question. They came before the question was asked. The right thing to do would be to answer the question that is asked of you, and if you feel that former material is sufficient, it is right for you to show how that material forms an answer to the question. And you didn't even answer my last question, which is "why did you respond with defensiveness?". It would benefit you greatly to understand that one.
Butch5
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That's not what it's saying. It says the disbelieving are blinded. Israel was blinded. You're taking the passage out of context to try and prove your doctrine. It doesn't.
Don't you think Jesus died for those who are reborn?
They are the elect, as they have elected to serve God above anything else.
Christ death effects subjective reconciliation also !
2 Cor 5:18-21
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
In vs 20, Paul is giving [ In Christ stead or behalf] as though Christ was speaking Himself, a imperative or a command, to who , those already reconciled to God objectively vs 18, it is now time for them to be ye reconciled subjectively by the word of reconciliation, which is the Gospel.
You see, The reconciliation in the death of Christ did more than Just give objective standing of favor with God, more than just legal standing of no condemnation, but it also ensured or effects our subjective reconciliation unto God, that is we will be saved experimentally as well.
This blessed Truth is again stated by the Apostle here Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Being saved here is what answers to or corresponds with the "be ye reconciled" in vs 20 of 2 Cor 5:20
In the greek,"be ye reconciled" is a aorist passive imperative, so the subjects are being acted upon, they are actually being reconciled by decree of imperative. They are being saved from the power of sin, and being brought to God subjectively 1 Pet 2:25
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned or being converted unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
The word for returned here is the greek word epistrepho:
to turn to
to the worship of the true God
to cause to return, to bring back
to the love and obedience of God
to the love for the children
to love wisdom and righteousness
Also peter uses it in the passive voice, they are being acted upon, being caused to return to the Bishop of their souls.
Thats the subjective reconciliation that's effected in the Death of Christ for all He died for His death actually brings us to God into fellowship with Him.
2 Cor 5:18-21
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
In vs 20, Paul is giving [ In Christ stead or behalf] as though Christ was speaking Himself, a imperative or a command, to who , those already reconciled to God objectively vs 18, it is now time for them to be ye reconciled subjectively by the word of reconciliation, which is the Gospel.
You see, The reconciliation in the death of Christ did more than Just give objective standing of favor with God, more than just legal standing of no condemnation, but it also ensured or effects our subjective reconciliation unto God, that is we will be saved experimentally as well.
This blessed Truth is again stated by the Apostle here Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Being saved here is what answers to or corresponds with the "be ye reconciled" in vs 20 of 2 Cor 5:20
In the greek,"be ye reconciled" is a aorist passive imperative, so the subjects are being acted upon, they are actually being reconciled by decree of imperative. They are being saved from the power of sin, and being brought to God subjectively 1 Pet 2:25
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned or being converted unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
The word for returned here is the greek word epistrepho:
to turn to
to the worship of the true God
to cause to return, to bring back
to the love and obedience of God
to the love for the children
to love wisdom and righteousness
Also peter uses it in the passive voice, they are being acted upon, being caused to return to the Bishop of their souls.
Thats the subjective reconciliation that's effected in the Death of Christ for all He died for His death actually brings us to God into fellowship with Him.