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Mother of God

Mary was a sinner just like you and me.She was chosen by God to give birth to Jesus Christ.After Christ was born she and Joseph had other children.That is it.
 
Rollo Tamasi said:
The Bible does not tell us much of Jesus and his mother.
People tend to quote that he called her "woman" instead of "mom" and that denotes no special regard to her.

But probably the best verse or verses is found in John 19:25-27;
"Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, women, here is your son, and to the disciple, here is your mother. From that time on, this disciple took her into his home".

And then Jesus died.
His last order of business here on planet Earth was to see that his mother was taken care of, not by his brothers and sisters, but by his spiritual friend.

How many people make it their last order of business in life to take care of their mother?
Yes, she held a very special place in his life, more than we will ever know.
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I agree Rollo.But I thought this was a Jewish custom.
 
Deborah13 said:
O, woman, what is this to thee and me? This is an abrupt denial, as if he had said: "We are not employed to provide the necessaries for this feast:
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Okay, I hate to disagree (especially with you Deborah) but, I'll throw this out there anyway.

First, it's possible you are right and Jesus's question was a form of a denial that they (He and Mary) had any budiness preparing food, I suppose. But it doesn't fit in with all of the other type/shadows/symbolism going on in John's record of this marraige feast where Jesus turns water into wine: (being in cana, on the third day, six stone jars partially filled with cerimonial water and mixed with regular drinking water, good wine coming after inferior wine, etc., etc.). There is a tremendous amount of symbolizm going on here in just a few verses. Powerful stuff.

Thusly, I don't think a mere denial of his role in the celebration fits. In fact, it's contrary to is role in salvation (which I think this wedding celebration symbolizes.

I once studied all of God's questions in the Bible as a specific goal. With the idea in mind that God (Jesus in this case) already knew the correct answer to all His questions and thus, when He stated a question, He did so in order to get the hearer to ask the same question to himself, so-to-speak, and ponder the answer. God doesn't need the answer. I realize that if you go into a text with this type of a presupposition you are much more likely to come out confirming your own presupposition. But, I did it anyway.

And this question of Jesus comes up and fits the pattern common in the Bible with His other questions. If you answer the specific question He asks, knowing God's complete plan of salvation for Israel and Gentiles through Jesus's blood, you get a lot of good stuff.

It's no coincidence what Jesus does then is to turn water into wine and later wine into blood and His blood into our salvation.

I think The Word was/is basically asking us to ponder the very question He asked her. Not so much saying He didn't have any business providing the elements for this feast.

In fact it was exactly His primary business, including Mary in the process of course, to provide a wedding celebration for His bride. That is, to provide a wedding celebration thru the third day (His ressurection), through His pure blood (the cross), through the best wine (made/purified by God himself), served after the inferior wine (made by the inferior attempts of man at salvation) made from a mixture of Jewish cerimonial water (IAW the OT Law) and Cana water (gathered by obeying "what He tells use to do"), etc.

O, woman, what is this to thee and me?

Good question. I think the reason Jesus said it and John recorded it was to get us to ponder this question through the study of all the types and shadows of the items mentioned at this wedding celebration in relation to the rest of God's Word, including Mary's role too.

But maybe I'm wrong, IDK.
 
chessman said:
Okay, I hate to disagree (especially with you Deborah) but, I'll throw this out there anyway.

First, it's possible you are right and Jesus's question was a form of a denial that they (He and Mary) had any budiness preparing food, I suppose. But it doesn't fit in with all of the other type/shadows/symbolism going on in John's record of this marraige feast where Jesus turns water into wine: (being in cana, on the third day, six stone jars partially filled with cerimonial water and mixed with regular drinking water, good wine coming after inferior wine, etc., etc.). There is a tremendous amount of symbolizm going on here in just a few verses. Powerful stuff.

Thusly, I don't think a mere denial of his role in the celebration fits. In fact, it's contrary to is role in salvation (which I think this wedding celebration symbolizes.

I once studied all of God's questions in the Bible as a specific goal. With the idea in mind that God (Jesus in this case) already knew the correct answer to all His questions and thus, when He stated a question, He did so in order to get the hearer to ask the same question to himself, so-to-speak, and ponder the answer. God doesn't need the answer. I realize that if you go into a text with this type of a presupposition you are much more likely to come out confirming your own presupposition. But, I did it anyway.

And this question of Jesus comes up and fits the pattern common in the Bible with His other questions. If you answer the specific question He asks, knowing God's complete plan of salvation for Israel and Gentiles through Jesus's blood, you get a lot of good stuff.

It's no coincidence what Jesus does then is to turn water into wine and later wine into blood and His blood into our salvation.

I think The Word was/is basically asking us to ponder the very question He asked her. Not so much saying He didn't have any business providing the elements for this feast.

In fact it was exactly His primary business, including Mary in the process of course, to provide a wedding celebration for His bride. That is, to provide a wedding celebration thru the third day (His ressurection), through His pure blood (the cross), through the best wine (made/purified by God himself), served after the inferior wine (made by the inferior attempts of man at salvation) made from a mixture of Jewish cerimonial water (IAW the OT Law) and Cana water (gathered by obeying "what He tells use to do"), etc.

O, woman, what is this to thee and me?

Good question. I think the reason Jesus said it and John recorded it was to get us to ponder this question through the study of all the types and shadows of the items mentioned at this wedding celebration in relation to the rest of God's Word, including Mary's role too.

But maybe I'm wrong, IDK.
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That's OK, I don't mind you disagreeing at all. First, the main reason I included Adam Clark's words was because of the translation of the Greek.

I like what you have written, there's quite a bit there to think about. I agree with that there is much more than meets the eye that I had not seen. I will read your post over a few more times.
Thanks for disagreeing. :nod
 
Blake said:
But I will never understand why Christians will put John the Baptist or Apostle Paul or other such men of God in high esteem and think of Mary as just a nobody -- what the Holy Spirit chose to do through her is one of the most profound God-to-man miracles in Christendom, equally if not more valuable than Paul's Damascus experience or Peter's feet on the water, and so on
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Blake,

It is the decision of the Holy Spirit to give prominence to one and no prominence to another. It is for Christians to search the Scriptures for the Truth, not to impose their sentiments on Truth.

The plain New Testament truth is that after the conception and birth of Christ, Mary plays no part in Gospel Truth. The Gospels of Mark and John do not even mention the Nativity. In all the epistles you will not find her name mentioned even once. In the Acts of the Apostles she is mentioned once as "the mother of Jesus" not as "the mother of God" (Acts 1:14). She is then obliquely referred to in Galatians as "made of a woman" with reference to Christ. What does the Holy Spirit teach through all this? That our focus must be entirely on Christ.

In spite of this, the "Traditional Churches" made her falsely into "the Mother of God", which led to Mariolatry, which is idolatry. Not a single response on this thread has even touched on the seriousness of such idolatry, which is seen in icons, images, hymns, prayers, benedictions to Mary as the "Mediatrix" for men. That is clearly a violation of Bible Truth, since Christ is the sole Mediator. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (Exod 20:3) is the commandment which is being violated. No amount of rationalization can change that.
 
Malachi said:
Blake,

It is the decision of the Holy Spirit to give prominence to one and no prominence to another. It is for Christians to search the Scriptures for the Truth, not to impose their sentiments on Truth.

The plain New Testament truth is that after the conception and birth of Christ, Mary plays no part in Gospel Truth. The Gospels of Mark and John do not even mention the Nativity. In all the epistles you will not find her name mentioned even once. In the Acts of the Apostles she is mentioned once as "the mother of Jesus" not as "the mother of God" (Acts 1:14). She is then obliquely referred to in Galatians as "made of a woman" with reference to Christ. What does the Holy Spirit teach through all this? That our focus must be entirely on Christ.

In spite of this, the "Traditional Churches" made her falsely into "the Mother of God", which led to Mariolatry, which is idolatry. Not a single response on this thread has even touched on the seriousness of such idolatry, which is seen in icons, images, hymns, prayers, benedictions to Mary as the "Mediatrix" for men. That is clearly a violation of Bible Truth, since Christ is the sole Mediator. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (Exod 20:3) is the commandment which is being violated. No amount of rationalization can change that.
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"Not a single response on this thread has even touched on the seriousness of such idolatry, which is seen in icons, images, hymns, prayers, benedictions to Mary as the "Mediatrix" for men. That is clearly a violation of Bible Truth, since Christ is the sole Mediator. "

Maybe that is because the discussion of this doctrine that you want to talk about is a subject that cannot be talked about except in a one on one debate because it is an RCC doctrine. It is "clearly a violation" of the TOS of this forum.
 
If we accept that Jesus is God, and that Jesus' mother was Mary, then it follows that Mary can be loosely described as the mother of God. It doesn't mean anyone should be praying to her, but I don't think those too timid to pray to Jesus directly, so instead pray to His mother as a lower case mediator to Him, are going to burn in hell for it.
 
Malachi said:
Blake,

It is the decision of the Holy Spirit to give prominence to one and no prominence to another. It is for Christians to search the Scriptures for the Truth, not to impose their sentiments on Truth.

The plain New Testament truth is that after the conception and birth of Christ, Mary plays no part in Gospel Truth. The Gospels of Mark and John do not even mention the Nativity. In all the epistles you will not find her name mentioned even once. In the Acts of the Apostles she is mentioned once as "the mother of Jesus" not as "the mother of God" (Acts 1:14). She is then obliquely referred to in Galatians as "made of a woman" with reference to Christ. What does the Holy Spirit teach through all this? That our focus must be entirely on Christ.

In spite of this, the "Traditional Churches" made her falsely into "the Mother of God", which led to Mariolatry, which is idolatry. Not a single response on this thread has even touched on the seriousness of such idolatry, which is seen in icons, images, hymns, prayers, benedictions to Mary as the "Mediatrix" for men. That is clearly a violation of Bible Truth, since Christ is the sole Mediator. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (Exod 20:3) is the commandment which is being violated. No amount of rationalization can change that.
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Not a single response?
Here we are celebrating the Christmas season, praising our Lord Jesus, bringing joy to each other, and you want to come down on his mother.
How bad are we for loving his mother as we love others?
How about praising Mary instead?
Praising Mary for being such a wonderful woman of God that God chose her to be the vessel to bring the Messiah into the world.
Merry Christmas!
 
reba said:
May was not chosen because she was special

She was special because she was chosen...
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You are also chosen because you are special.

You are special that's why you are also chosen.

Now what's specialty in Mary?

Was she not chosen because she was specially favoured and not because of any specialty in her.
 
Rollo Tamasi said:
Not a single response?
Here we are celebrating the Christmas season, praising our Lord Jesus, bringing joy to each other, and you want to come down on his mother.
How bad are we for loving his mother as we love others?
How about praising Mary instead?
Praising Mary for being such a wonderful woman of God that God chose her to be the vessel to bring the Messiah into the world.
Merry Christmas!
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You are not serious?
 
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Look at this awesome 12th century Byzantine icon, the "Vladimir Mother of God" by the hand of Andrei Bogoliubskii. I love it, it says a lot. Her "Behold my Son" hand gesture, the look in her eyes, the nearness and tenderness of Jesus to her face. It's just great. I'd like to get a print of it soon and hang it in my home.
 
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