MUSIC CAN BE EVIL

[GodsGrace]

In a different thread, another member posted the following in reference to some types of music that can have different names:


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That type of music is used to torture people into submission, and goes by the name “music torture”.

It’s used to drive the victims insane, and is designed to destabilize their mind to make them controllable.

Here’s a quote from a person who was subjected to this:

British citizen Ruhal Ahmed described the process in a 2008 interview with Reprieve investigators: "I can bear being beaten up, it's not a problem. Once you accept that you're going to go into the interrogation room and be beaten up, it's fine. You can prepare yourself mentally. But when you're being psychologically tortured, you can't."

He said he had been exposed to the torture "numerous times" to a variety of music. "It makes you feel like you are going mad. You lose the plot, and it's very scary to think that you might go crazy because of all the music, because of the loud noise and because after a while you don't hear the lyrics at all, all you hear is heavy banging."

again

I heard this nonstop over and over," he reportedly told Clive Stafford Smith, his lawyer and the founder and director of Reprieve, a U.K-based organization determined to end music torture practices. "The CIA worked on people, including me, day and night for the months before I left. Plenty lost their minds."

Mohamed said he could hear others in the prison "screaming and smashing their heads against walls."

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We were discussing this type of music:

Stryper is a heavy metal band that is Christian.

Some might say this does not represent Christianity...but the words speak of God and Jesus and love.
These bands perform in churches....
Does this give glory to God?

There are several bands like the one above.

Is the church becoming like the world even in the music field?

I don't feel this type of music belongs in a church...I don't really care what the words are.

What's the big difference between Stryper and this:

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Although I am personally not a fan of music like this, I do like contemporary Christian music and rap. I really don't think God cares how people are choosing to praise His name, only that they are.

 

[jasonc]

In a different thread, another member posted the following in reference to some types of music that can have different names:


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That type of music is used to torture people into submission, and goes by the name “music torture”.

It’s used to drive the victims insane, and is designed to destabilize their mind to make them controllable.

Here’s a quote from a person who was subjected to this:

British citizen Ruhal Ahmed described the process in a 2008 interview with Reprieve investigators: "I can bear being beaten up, it's not a problem. Once you accept that you're going to go into the interrogation room and be beaten up, it's fine. You can prepare yourself mentally. But when you're being psychologically tortured, you can't."

He said he had been exposed to the torture "numerous times" to a variety of music. "It makes you feel like you are going mad. You lose the plot, and it's very scary to think that you might go crazy because of all the music, because of the loud noise and because after a while you don't hear the lyrics at all, all you hear is heavy banging."

again

I heard this nonstop over and over," he reportedly told Clive Stafford Smith, his lawyer and the founder and director of Reprieve, a U.K-based organization determined to end music torture practices. "The CIA worked on people, including me, day and night for the months before I left. Plenty lost their minds."

Mohamed said he could hear others in the prison "screaming and smashing their heads against walls."

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We were discussing this type of music:

Stryper is a heavy metal band that is Christian.

Some might say this does not represent Christianity...but the words speak of God and Jesus and love.
These bands perform in churches....
Does this give glory to God?

There are several bands like the one above.

Is the church becoming like the world even in the music field?

I don't feel this type of music belongs in a church...I don't really care what the words are.

What's the big difference between Stryper and this:

Though shall not despise iron maiden ,btw much of their music us poetry,

Rhyme of the ancient mariner ,is one such song

 

[Boaz]

In a different thread, another member posted the following in reference to some types of music that can have different names:


**********************************************************************************************************
That type of music is used to torture people into submission, and goes by the name “music torture”.

It’s used to drive the victims insane, and is designed to destabilize their mind to make them controllable.

Here’s a quote from a person who was subjected to this:

British citizen Ruhal Ahmed described the process in a 2008 interview with Reprieve investigators: "I can bear being beaten up, it's not a problem. Once you accept that you're going to go into the interrogation room and be beaten up, it's fine. You can prepare yourself mentally. But when you're being psychologically tortured, you can't."

He said he had been exposed to the torture "numerous times" to a variety of music. "It makes you feel like you are going mad. You lose the plot, and it's very scary to think that you might go crazy because of all the music, because of the loud noise and because after a while you don't hear the lyrics at all, all you hear is heavy banging."

again

I heard this nonstop over and over," he reportedly told Clive Stafford Smith, his lawyer and the founder and director of Reprieve, a U.K-based organization determined to end music torture practices. "The CIA worked on people, including me, day and night for the months before I left. Plenty lost their minds."

Mohamed said he could hear others in the prison "screaming and smashing their heads against walls."

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We were discussing this type of music:

Stryper is a heavy metal band that is Christian.

Some might say this does not represent Christianity...but the words speak of God and Jesus and love.
These bands perform in churches....
Does this give glory to God?

There are several bands like the one above.

Is the church becoming like the world even in the music field?

I don't feel this type of music belongs in a church...I don't really care what the words are.

What's the big difference between Stryper and this:

I agree it is the world being allowed into the church supposedly to be more appealing to young people. I LIKE heavy metal and rock music (though I agree if you were forced to listen to it 24/7 you would probably go crazy) but in my opinion It contains no inherent evil, though it might be promoting evil in some instances. But it IS the world, no matter what the lyrics are or who sings/performs. It doesn't belong in the church. It is the message, the Word of God, that matters, not the entertainment, and this is nothing more than entertainment, it is not actually worship of God, it is worship of self.
God is Holy. Worship, true worship, is a matter of awe, a giving of our hearts and minds in gratitude and sincerity to a most Holy God. It is not a matter of energy expressed in flashing lights and banging drums and wild guitars dancing bodies. This type of music generates frenzy. Music has always been used as a means to control atmosphere and mood and energy. This type of music s used to do just that. Stir up an energy that takes on an appearance of worship, of fervor for God. It has nothing to do with God.
I don't think church music should be a derge, but it should have a solemnity about it. We should always approach God with awe and respect, knowing our place as His creation, aware of what it cost Jesus to bring us near.

 

[Luminous_Rose]

Yes, music "can" be evil. It isn't always. The way it is used and the intention behind the music makes the difference. You can drive someone psychologically mad by playing any song if it is done in such a way - even if it were an innocent or Christian song. The actions with these songs speak volumes. Music is a valuable tool and with it needs to come discipline and responsibility.

The difference between Stryper and Iron Maiden are the meanings behind the lyrics. Stryper is considered Christian and Iron Maiden...well, their name is Iron Maiden, which was a torture device with spikes inside to provide an otherwise slow and painful death. Their song The Trooper was supposedly based on the Crimean War, and is not about God. There are big differences in the music.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Just for the record I attend a contemporary church and we don't sing hymns we have a band. Is it really that much of an issue?

 

[Luminous_Rose]

Just for the record I attend a contemporary church and we don't sing hymns we have a band. Is it really that much of an issue?

Some churches believe worship with instruments is a sin so to some people, it is. Also, we all have our opinions on what music makes it through our homes and church doors.

Personally, I don't have a problem with instruments. I could care less whether a church chooses hymns or contemporary with or without instruments. Although, a church needs to be careful not to lose their focus on God with their music choice. Some worship teams have members that focus on themselves for their musical abilities instead of God and this can be dangerous.

Action and intention is important.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Some consider contemporary Christian music to be "entertainment", but personally if I want to be entertained I listen to very different stuff. "Contemporary Christian Music" is no longer in sync with popular music styles, and a lot of it sounds the same.
That said, here is a song by Disciple (which is heavier music) where I have worshipped God when listening to in private:

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Some consider contemporary Christian music to be "entertainment", but personally if I want to be entertained I listen to very different stuff. "Contemporary Christian Music" is no longer in sync with popular music styles, and a lot of it sounds the same.
That said, here is a song by Disciple (which is heavier music) where I have worshipped God when listening to in private:

Who says that we can't be entertained while worshipping the Lord at the same time? Can't it be both ways?

 

[LovethroughDove]

Music is a gift to us all.

I agree with the people who say it is about intent. There are many "Christian songs" that are made with the intent to be Christian songs. What I mean by that is, a certain type of music has put its stamp on what should be considered Godly, and it has absolutely no true life giving spirit in it.

Let's lull people into a sleepiness.

Also, Jesus is cool. If you know him, you know this about him.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Who says that we can't be entertained while worshipping the Lord at the same time? Can't it be both ways?

I mean, church shouldn't be a concert, that puts the wrong focus on it all. But, that doesn't mean you can't also enjoy the music--I enjoy piano music and think it's beautiful, does that mean they shouldn't play piano in church anymore?

 

[LovethroughDove]

Some consider contemporary Christian music to be "entertainment", but personally if I want to be entertained I listen to very different stuff. "Contemporary Christian Music" is no longer in sync with popular music styles, and a lot of it sounds the same.
That said, here is a song by Disciple (which is heavier music) where I have worshipped God when listening to in private:

My husband would actually listen to that and probably get something out of it.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I mean, church shouldn't be a concert, that puts the wrong focus on it all. But, that doesn't mean you can't also enjoy the music--I enjoy piano music and think it's beautiful, does that mean they shouldn't play piano in church anymore?

Agreed one hundred percent. Just like school shouldn't involve taking kids to Chuck E. Cheese for field trips, but that also doesn't mean that learning can't be fun.

 

[GodsGrace]

Though shall not despise iron maiden ,btw much of their music us poetry,

Rhyme of the ancient mariner ,is one such song

A lot of music is poetry.
So?

Can this be considered Christian music?
Should it be in churches?

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Has anybody here seen the Sister Act films before? They basically did the same thing that a lot of churches (like mine) do today. It's just gotten more modernized today.

 

[Christ_empowered]

it sounds like psychological torture, probably designed by some psych PhD people who chose to ignore whatever ethical standards their professional organization(s) professed. the CIA stuff from the 50s and 60s ended up being investigated in the late 70s. not surprisingly, lots of the material was destroyed and/or heavily redacted, but...

-sigh- a number of prominent psychiatrists of the time, mostly in the US but also in Canada and I think the UK...let some of their patients have it, big time. lsd, high dose experimental Rx drugs, operations, electroshock, blah blah blah...

I mention this because the music isn't really the problem (although...I'd be ridiculously upset if I was in the band and/or involved in production, etc.), its the people up top who are (mis)using their training to destroy people, for...whatever reasons.

 

[GodsGrace]

I agree it is the world being allowed into the church supposedly to be more appealing to young people. I LIKE heavy metal and rock music (though I agree if you were forced to listen to it 24/7 you would probably go crazy) but in my opinion It contains no inherent evil, though it might be promoting evil in some instances. But it IS the world, no matter what the lyrics are or who sings/performs. It doesn't belong in the church. It is the message, the Word of God, that matters, not the entertainment, and this is nothing more than entertainment, it is not actually worship of God, it is worship of self.
God is Holy. Worship, true worship, is a matter of awe, a giving of our hearts and minds in gratitude and sincerity to a most Holy God. It is not a matter of energy expressed in flashing lights and banging drums and wild guitars dancing bodies. This type of music generates frenzy. Music has always been used as a means to control atmosphere and mood and energy. This type of music s used to do just that. Stir up an energy that takes on an appearance of worship, of fervor for God. It has nothing to do with God.
I don't think church music should be a derge, but it should have a solemnity about it. We should always approach God with awe and respect, knowing our place as His creation, aware of what it cost Jesus to bring us near.

Great post.

Heavy Metal and Grunge and all that type of music is specifically designed to turn off the brain. If anyone thinks otherwise, they don't know enough about this music. This is why kids listen to it...to get away without having to leave home.

I also agree that rock music in church takes the attention away from God and puts it on the singer/band.

Who is the following glorifying? Are people listening to them or are they thinking about God?

Is this what Jesus meant when He said to go into all the world and teach?

 

[Christ_empowered]

i've never been big on Christian music. some of it sticks with me now, I guess...but I wouldn't pay $$$ to download and listen. maybe its because of the musical tastes I had pre-conversion?

I dunno. sometimes, the more 'modern' Christian music strikes me as...a pale imitation of worldly music, with some not so great (and...from a doctrinal perspective, questionable) lyrics...

of course, now that I've been genuinely converted and all, I also kind of question the wisdom of using what amounts to manipulative techniques (dim lighting, emotional preaching, 'modern' music) to "bring people to Jesus" or...whatever. that, I think, goes deeper into the Arminian vs Calvinist vs RCC takes on salvation, etc., so I won't push the issue, but...

yeah. yeah. I dunno what to make of it...perhaps try to (re)develop or reclaim a distinctly Christian style?

 

[jasonc]

A lot of music is poetry.
So?

Can this be considered Christian music?
Should it be in churches?

Where did you mention in church?
Btw that poem is about unmerciful and needless killing of Gods animal written by a believer .its very old.

I'm not into much of music .now but living in 80s and prior music thing is contradictory to your position. Iron maiden is a 80s.late 70s band irc

 

[Boaz]

Wondering
It doesn't even make me think of God when I see the words. There is zero reverence there.