MUSIC CAN BE EVIL

[HeIsRisen2018]

Great post.

Heavy Metal and Grunge and all that type of music is specifically designed to turn off the brain. If anyone thinks otherwise, they don't know enough about this music. This is why kids listen to it...to get away without having to leave home.

I also agree that rock music in church takes the attention away from God and puts it on the singer/band.

Who is the following glorifying? Are people listening to them or are they thinking about God?

Is this what Jesus meant when He said to go into all the world and teach?

That's not teaching that's shouting at people. I like the song but seriously girl take a chill pill and switch to decaf.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Some consider contemporary Christian music to be "entertainment", but personally if I want to be entertained I listen to very different stuff. "Contemporary Christian Music" is no longer in sync with popular music styles, and a lot of it sounds the same.
That said, here is a song by Disciple (which is heavier music) where I have worshipped God when listening to in private:

Btw, good song.

 

[humble soul]

Salvation Army Brass Band playing
Abide in Me. Now that is what I call worship music!!

 

[for_his_glory]

Here is a little music history. In Genesis 4:21 Jubal, the son of Lamech from the ungodly lineage of Cain, is described as the father of all who has handle the harp and organ.

Where music has brought us throughout the generations we can see by the era of different cultures up to present day that whatever instrument was used the music set a certain tone of emotion. Now when lyrics were first started to be written the tune was set to the lyrics. Now we have lyrics that represent Satan and lyrics that are taken from the word of God. Lyrics that represent life as in the beauty of nature, ones own personal life experiences they write about and the list goes on.

The point being as a Christian it's a personal choice we make in what we listen to and have to decide for our self that of what is acceptable and that which is not. Just because it's hard rock, country, Christian comtemporary, hymns, rap, folk or whatever type is out there it's up to us to understand whether there is any glory to God within the lyrics. Scripture says we are to be holy before the Lord and praise Him in the sanctuary as we sing songs of praise and thanksgiving.

2 Samuel 6:12-23 David danced and even played before the Lord.

Psalms 100:1 Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all ye lands. 2 Serve the LORD with gladness: come before his presence with singing. 3 Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture. 4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name. 5 For the LORD is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.

Psalms 150:1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power. 2 Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness. 3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp. 4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs. 5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. 6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

 

[GodsGrace]

Where did you mention in church?
Btw that poem is about unmerciful and needless killing of Gods animal written by a believer .its very old.

I'm not into much of music .now but living in 80s and prior music thing is contradictory to your position. Iron maiden is a 80s.late 70s band irc

I can only speak to things I know.
I'm there were many bands like this and today there's much worse.
Because I don't know their names does not mean I don't know about them...but it's no use doing a study on this...it is what it.

I did mention in my O.P. that this music is played in churches....heavy metal music, I mean. I just don't believe it's appropriate and is a sign of how far away we've gotten from God's wishes.

I'm not saying a person shouldn't listen to rock...but is there a limit?

Did you read that this hard metal music is used for torturing persons?

Do you agree that the young listen to it to empty their mind?
What happens when the mind is empty? It is open to all.
Luke 11:25

Grunge music is mad about everything and everyone. How healthy could that be for a person, especially a teen? It makes ME feel negative and I'm not really a negative person.

 

[GodsGrace]

Salvation Army Brass Band playing
Abide in Me. Now that is what I call worship music!!

 

[JLB]

In a different thread, another member posted the following in reference to some types of music that can have different names:


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That type of music is used to torture people into submission, and goes by the name “music torture”.

It’s used to drive the victims insane, and is designed to destabilize their mind to make them controllable.

Here’s a quote from a person who was subjected to this:

British citizen Ruhal Ahmed described the process in a 2008 interview with Reprieve investigators: "I can bear being beaten up, it's not a problem. Once you accept that you're going to go into the interrogation room and be beaten up, it's fine. You can prepare yourself mentally. But when you're being psychologically tortured, you can't."

He said he had been exposed to the torture "numerous times" to a variety of music. "It makes you feel like you are going mad. You lose the plot, and it's very scary to think that you might go crazy because of all the music, because of the loud noise and because after a while you don't hear the lyrics at all, all you hear is heavy banging."

again

I heard this nonstop over and over," he reportedly told Clive Stafford Smith, his lawyer and the founder and director of Reprieve, a U.K-based organization determined to end music torture practices. "The CIA worked on people, including me, day and night for the months before I left. Plenty lost their minds."

Mohamed said he could hear others in the prison "screaming and smashing their heads against walls."

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We were discussing this type of music:

Stryper is a heavy metal band that is Christian.

Some might say this does not represent Christianity...but the words speak of God and Jesus and love.
These bands perform in churches....
Does this give glory to God?

There are several bands like the one above.

Is the church becoming like the world even in the music field?

I don't feel this type of music belongs in a church...I don't really care what the words are.

What's the big difference between Stryper and this:

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Romans 12:2

• do not be conformed to this world

If we are cooperating with the Holy Spirit in the process of renewing our mind, in that we are following the Lord in restoration our soul, then what are we allowing into our mind and heart?


Does it stimulate or motivate our desire for the things of the Spirit, the things of God; Righteousness, Peace and Joy?


Here is a scripture about a man who was tormented with anxiety, and was soothed in his mind, because another man whose heart was right with God, played music for him.


And so it was, whenever the spirit from God was upon Saul, that David would take a harp and play it with his hand. Then Saul would become refreshed and well, and the distressing spirit would depart from him. 1 Samuel 16:23

• Then Saul would become refreshed and well, and the distressing spirit would depart from him.

The question is:


Is what we are listening to refreshing and stimulating a desire for God or for evil?







JLB

 

[evenifigoalone]

I think if I were put in a room listening to loud, mainstream rap nonstop I would go crazy. (There is good rap, but what plays on the radio ain't it.)
Or we could talk about the song that never ends being played loudly and on repeat. I think I would go crazy.

I can see why heavy metal being played loudly would be a good choice too, as it can give you a headache. But I don't think that means it's evil.

 

[evenifigoalone]

This song makes me think of my late stepdad, I often listen to it on his birthday, the anniversary of his passing, father's day, etc. It would be his perspective about dying.
Disciple is one of the best for solid theology, and I like how they often leave scripture references in their lyric sheets

 

[GodsGrace]

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Romans 12:2

• do not be conformed to this world

If we are cooperating with the Holy Spirit in the process of renewing our mind, in that we are following the Lord in restoration our soul, then what are we allowing into our mind and heart?


Does it stimulate or motivate our desire for the things of the Spirit, the things of God; Righteousness, Peace and Joy?


Here is a scripture about a man who was tormented with anxiety, and was soothed in his mind, because another man whose heart was right with God, played music for him.


And so it was, whenever the spirit from God was upon Saul, that David would take a harp and play it with his hand. Then Saul would become refreshed and well, and the distressing spirit would depart from him. 1 Samuel 16:23

• Then Saul would become refreshed and well, and the distressing spirit would depart from him.

The question is:


Is what we are listening to refreshing and stimulating a desire for God or for evil?



JLB

I couldn't agree more J....

Not ALL the music I listen to is related to God....but I agree with the point you make.

And I certainly don't believe it should be in a church.
They say it's done to attract young persons...
are we willing to do anything to attract young persons?
Is there a limit?

Wouldn't the plain and simple truth be the best method?
1 Corinthians 15:1........

It has always worked in the past.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes, music "can" be evil. It isn't always. The way it is used and the intention behind the music makes the difference. You can drive someone psychologically mad by playing any song if it is done in such a way - even if it were an innocent or Christian song. The actions with these songs speak volumes. Music is a valuable tool and with it needs to come discipline and responsibility.

The difference between Stryper and Iron Maiden are the meanings behind the lyrics. Stryper is considered Christian and Iron Maiden...well, their name is Iron Maiden, which was a torture device with spikes inside to provide an otherwise slow and painful death. Their song The Trooper was supposedly based on the Crimean War, and is not about God. There are big differences in the music.

I do believe the music kills the lyrics.
Do we want Godly music to sound like the music of heavy metal bands?

Shouldn't there be some difference between what kids do outside of church and what they bring into church? Is the church the same as the world or is it a haven FROM the world?

 

[GodsGrace]

Wondering
It doesn't even make me think of God when I see the words. There is zero reverence there.

I just answered Luminous_Rose about your comment.
I'll have to agree with you that there's zero reverence.

I do believe this music is going out of style and will not be around much longer....

 

[Edward]

Great post.

Heavy Metal and Grunge and all that type of music is specifically designed to turn off the brain. If anyone thinks otherwise, they don't know enough about this music. This is why kids listen to it...to get away without having to leave home.

I also agree that rock music in church takes the attention away from God and puts it on the singer/band.

Who is the following glorifying? Are people listening to them or are they thinking about God?

Is this what Jesus meant when He said to go into all the world and teach?

I believe that not all is as it seems in earthly music and you have raised good points. But I think part of it at least takes us back to why did Jesus go to dinner at the sinners house? Well because He did not come to save the righteous but the sick. Those who need a physician.

At this time in history it's an even bet that the world is more evil now than ever before in previous history. So obviously there are many places where anything approaching traditional hymns and so forth are not welcome and would never be played. So rock bands who play rock music but it's members and songs are Christian is a way for the Lord to, get His foot in the door over there and plant seeds through the songs to these unbelievers.

Bands like, Skillet for instance, nothing traditional about them and yet their music does give God glory. And there's many other bands who are not necessarily a Christian rock band but blurbs of their lyrics are spiritual in nature. So it really comes down to the piece itself and discernment. The lyrics and yes, even the tuning carries weight. There are good tones and bad tones. I sort've grew up with Iron Maiden in the mix, and I never seen their music as satanic.

Take this for instance, Skillet. This would get played in those places.

 

[Christ_empowered]

sometimes, i think -some- churches (seems to be Protestant) are trying to be "relevant" and "modern," etc...

thing is, if people come to church for self-help and entertainment, not The Good News...

a) they're probably -still- unconverted (there's Barna data to back this up, btw) b) they can (and often will) find such things out in the world, no need to even play church and c) this damages Christendom, as a whole, because now people hear "Christian," they think vapid, mean spirited people who are often -less- moral in their day to day lives than non-"Christians" and don't even read (much less dissect, understand) Scripture.

ugh. I'm just burned by megachurches, in case you cannot tell. LOL.

 

[jasonc]

I can only speak to things I know.
I'm there were many bands like this and today there's much worse.
Because I don't know their names does not mean I don't know about them...but it's no use doing a study on this...it is what it.

I did mention in my O.P. that this music is played in churches....heavy metal music, I mean. I just don't believe it's appropriate and is a sign of how far away we've gotten from God's wishes.

I'm not saying a person shouldn't listen to rock...but is there a limit?

Did you read that this hard metal music is used for torturing persons?

Do you agree that the young listen to it to empty their mind?
What happens when the mind is empty? It is open to all.
Luke 11:25

Grunge music is mad about everything and everyone. How healthy could that be for a person, especially a teen? It makes ME feel negative and I'm not really a negative person.

While not my style f it uplift God it can't be sin.

I'm sure Gregorian chanting is quite a torture to me. The psalms aren't,exactly,to,be read ,each song ,try singing,119,you can't its chanted.

 

[jasonc]

Try listening to the since the devil. Left me,its a local Elvis song made into,a gospel song to,the beat of heartbreak motel

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

While not my style f it uplift God it can't be sin.

I'm sure Gregorian chanting is quite a torture to me. The psalms aren't,exactly,to,be read ,each song ,try singing,119,you can't its chanted.

Yeah Ikr? That's what I mean. How can any song (no matter what style) be a sin if it's praising Jesus?

 

[GodsGrace]

While not my style f it uplift God it can't be sin.

I'm sure Gregorian chanting is quite a torture to me. The psalms aren't,exactly,to,be read ,each song ,try singing,119,you can't its chanted.

I didn't say it's a sin.
I'm trying to say that it's not fit for church
and it's really not fit for any person...this is the type of music teens listen to and then commit suicide.

The music didn't make them commit suicide...it sure didn't help, and it's indicative of persons that are not stable.

Indicative...it doesn't mean that everyone that listens to this stuff is not stable.

 

[jasonc]

I didn't say it's a sin.
I'm trying to say that it's not fit for church
and it's really not fit for any person...this is the type of music teens listen to and then commit suicide.

The music didn't make them commit suicide...it sure didn't help, and it's indicative of persons that are not stable.

Indicative...it doesn't mean that everyone that listens to this stuff is not stable.

Insulting . wow again not my style of music I have listen to Stryper and I don't particularly care for that Stout it isn't necessary that bad I've grown up on this music so you're not going to win me over

 

[jasonc]

I,speak of things I know and have heard



Delivered from this .when I had a girl loved me leave me in short this song,was torture.