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Must the commandments in the O.T. be obeyed in order to be/remain saved?

wondering said:
Was the law in the Abrahamic Covenant
or in the Mosaic Covenant?
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The law of the Lord was in the Abrahamic Covenant.


The law of the Lord, and the law of Moses was in the Covenant at Sinai.


The law of Moses was not of faith.

Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.” Galatians 3:12



Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham. Galatians 3:7-9



JLB
 
JLB said:
Every covenant has laws or rules or commandments that each party must abide by.


Abraham was faithful to walk in covenant relationship and to abide by the laws, commandments and precepts that the Lord taught him.


Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”
Genesis 26:5


The law of Moses was added to the Abrahamic Covenant BECAUSE the laws, commandments and precepts of the Abrahamic Covenant were being violated; ie TRANSGRESSED.


What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made;... Galatians 3:19


Since the covenant was being transgressed the law of Moses was added, until the Messiah should come and inaugurate the New Covenant; The law of Christ



JLB
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Genesis 26:5 is referring to the Palestinian Covenant which was to come later and which affirmed God's promise of the promised land to Abraham.

The Law was given to Moses in the Mosaic Covenant.
This is why it's called The Law of Moses.
 
JLB said:
The law of the Lord was in the Abrahamic Covenant.


The law of the Lord, and the law of Moses was in the Covenant at Sinai.


The law of Moses was not of faith.

Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.” Galatians 3:12



Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham. Galatians 3:7-9



JLB
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Sorry.
I don't understand the above.
 
wondering said:
Genesis 26:5 is referring to the Palestinian Covenant which was to come later and which affirmed God's promise of the promised land to Abraham.

The Law was given to Moses in the Mosaic Covenant.
This is why it's called The Law of Moses.
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Genesis 26:5 refers to Abraham walking in covenant relationship to the Lord 430 years before Moses.


JLB
 
JLB said:
The Abrahamic Covenant as well as the New Covenant is about the righteousness accord to faith.


The law of Moses is not of faith.



JLB
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I see what you mean.
But, as I see it, man was always saved by faith.
Circumcision made you a part of the "clan" of Abraham.
However, Jesus said that being born of Abraham's clan does not save someone.
Even the Pharisees were descendants of ABraham.
Can't find the verse right now....
 
JLB said:
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Galatians 5:18
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I haven't finished reading this discussion yet so I don't know if this point has been addressed or not. Nonetheless, I think it's a third stance to the idea of obey the law. Of if the law is abolished.

Here's what I mean. In Acts, Peter had a dream that he was hungry and food from heaven came down to feed him, but the animals that were the food were unclean. Peter said that he did not want to eat what was unclean, and God made His point right there, do not think what I've given you is unclean. This dream and a few events that followed gave Peter the kbowledgevthat that Jews aren't the only ones who can be saved. But gentiles also.

Here's the point I mean to address. If we don't have the Spirit guide us, then we should obey the laws as we understand them. To the best of our ability. Just like Peter was trying to do, and not eat unclean foods even in the vision he had.

I don't know about you guys, but I know that a lot of the time I don't feel like I'm led by the spirit. So in those times I still have a guide. The guide being what's in the bible. After all if God has already said it through Jesus's teachings, and I don't remember it, that is on me for not following Jesus. The spirit might not have led me because it should be a lesson to read the bible more.

At least that's my take away from not being as led as I wish I were. We need to trust in God and that means to trust what He's already said before. To search out the scriptures so to search for God, because He might want a lesson learned through study this time, and will lead by the Holy Spirit a different time.
 
Not_Now.Soon said:
I haven't finished reading this discussion yet so I don't know if this point has been addressed or not. Nonetheless, I think it's a third stance to the idea of obey the law. Of if the law is abolished.

Here's what I mean. In Acts, Peter had a dream that he was hungry and food from heaven came down to feed him, but the animals that were the food were unclean. Peter said that he did not want to eat what was unclean, and God made His point right there, do not think what I've given you is unclean. This dream and a few events that followed gave Peter the kbowledgevthat that Jews aren't the only ones who can be saved. But gentiles also.

Here's the point I mean to address. If we don't have the Spirit guide us, then we should obey the laws as we understand them. To the best of our ability. Just like Peter was trying to do, and not eat unclean foods even in the vision he had.

I don't know about you guys, but I know that a lot of the time I don't feel like I'm led by the spirit. So in those times I still have a guide. The guide being what's in the bible. After all if God has already said it through Jesus's teachings, and I don't remember it, that is on me for not following Jesus. The spirit might not have led me because it should be a lesson to read the bible more.

At least that's my take away from not being as led as I wish I were. We need to trust in God and that means to trust what He's already said before. To search out the scriptures so to search for God, because He might want a lesson learned through study this time, and will lead by the Holy Spirit a different time.
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Very good post.

I can think of our relationship with God as like a marriage.
I can know many things that would make my husband happy or unhappy,
and this from the beginning.
However, if he TELLS me,,,don't do this....
What's wrong with that?

Some things we can know by instinct, and some thing need to be made more clear.

Sure we know it's wrong to lie. But we've had the commandments to teach us.
Would we have known otherwise? I'm not so sure. We all know murder is wrong, but some things in life are more subtle.

Maybe we need the commandments and the Holy Spirit?
Yes, I believe so.
 
Not_Now.Soon said:
To search out the scriptures so to search for God, because He might want a lesson learned through study this time, and will lead by the Holy Spirit a different time.
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Or lead us through the scriptures by His Spirit, making it come alive to us.
 
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