Mystery, Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots

[jasoncran]

To keep folks reading the scriptures & looking to Christ so no person will fall to the wayside. Also to keep all prepared to do all they can do to Stand if & when the time comes. Because this is some of what Christ told us to do. Watch & pray.

interesting and valid point.

 

[TonkaTim]

Jason,

You asked in an earlier post (paraphrase) "Why would Satan harm is own?"

Because those that are caught in his great deception are not his own. They are just pawns in his game.

Satan hates all of mankind.

It is why Jesus called him a "murderer from the beginning".

Through his first deception he brought death to man. He not only wants death of the body for man, but more importantly death of the soul. He wants all mankind to perish.

Satan is a narcisst. It is all about him. He is like a petty spoiled child. If he can't have, then his mission is to destroy so God can't either. Think about all that is said about him in the scriptures and his personality & motives become much more clear.

 

[jasoncran]

thats like us hitting the towers to go to war with afghanstan/iraq.

i dont buy that.

neither do i buy that logic.

 

[TonkaTim]

thats like us hitting the towers to go to war with afghanstan/iraq.

i dont buy that.

neither do i buy that logic.

Is what I said what you're not buying?

Jason,

You asked in an earlier post (paraphrase) "Why would Satan harm is own?"

Because those that are caught in his great deception are not his own. They are just pawns in his game.

Satan hates all of mankind.

It is why Jesus called him a "murderer from the beginning".

Through his first deception he brought death to man. He not only wants death of the body for man, but more importantly death of the soul. He wants all mankind to perish.

Satan is a narcisst. It is all about him. He is like a petty spoiled child. If he can't have, then his mission is to destroy so God can't either. Think about all that is said about him in the scriptures and his personality & motives become much more clear.

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[jasoncran]

yes, i dont think that satan is that stupid, he is all about himself but theres the miracles that occured in the six day war.

 

[zone]

that is what a conspiracy is.

john muise used to ask me about the oil rain in florida as he heard on it youtube and i told him thats funny i didnt hear that as i lived 120 miles from the location!

hi jason.
was there a conspiracy to kill Jesus?
the apostles?
did satan lead a bunch of angels in a conspiracy against God?
what did jfk warn against?
i'm aware of the conspiracy cult...and that cointel (*conspiracy*) is busy sowing disinfo.
like Doc said, we have to have discernment.
daniel and the hebrew boys were educated in the king's university at babylon! we get knowledge from lots of places.

it's very good that you are cautious.
if any part of the conspiracy rumourmill doesn't line up with Scripture i toss it.
Scripture is silent on a lot of things, that doesn't mean we aren't to keep gathering knowledge: not for it's own sake, but so we are not deceived.

when sincere new christians say "the pope is the antichrist", i usually just say "well, if he stands on the temple mount raining fire down from heaven we'll know he's the false prophet....if he proclaims himself to be god, that'll mean he's the son of perdition."....we don't know who it is yet, or exactly how this will all play out, but God has given us all the info we need. we have to search it out in Scripture, look for it happening in real time, and be patient, as you say.

1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

sorry if i've been talking down. don't mean to.

regards
zone.

 

[jasoncran]

heres the problem, i'm in the military, and on the army website ako, this has been discussed.
i know that someone would have leaked that out, the army doesnt keep secrets amongst itself too well.

second, jfk i wont go there.

i dont buy this at present, if its someone that is behind this(not saying that i dont buy it all) but its not quite the way you say it is.any and all whistle blowers would be dead. its that simple, kill the guy by some accident,

but lets stay on scripture as that is the best thing to look at these prophecies are vague and both of us. one of us can be wrong.

 

[zone]

heres the problem, i'm in the military, and on the army website ako, this has been discussed.
i know that someone would have leaked that out, the army doesnt keep secrets amongst itself too well.

second, jfk i wont go there.

i dont buy this at present, if its someone that is behind this(not saying that i dont buy it all) but its not quite the way you say it is.any and all whistle blowers would be dead. its that simple, kill the guy by some accident,

but lets stay on scripture as that is the best thing to look at these prophecies are vague and both of us. one of us can be wrong.

i agree.
is it okay to look at stuff in the real world that matches up?

here's a website all about the Sanhedrin.

Sanhedrin - A "New" Sanhedrin?

the particular page i posted shows they themselves have the very goal in mind we have discussed:

The Sanhedrin has also selected a group of non-Jewish observers from the Noachide movement to be included in its membership; the best-known of these is Vendyl Jones. In 2005 the Sanhedrin sent Rabbi Michael Bar-Ron to the USA to liase with Jones and other Noachide groups; he told Arutz Sheva that the plan was to transform the Noahide movement from a religious phenomenon - a curiosity many have not heard of - into a powerful international movement that can successfully compete with, and with G-d's help bring about the fall of, any religious movement but the pure authentic faith that was given to humanity through Noach, the father of us all.

if you click around from the start, you'll get the view from their position. that website apparently has not been updated, so you can go directly to the Sanhedrin's website to see how far along they are.

if you click site map you'll see they've been very busy. check out the section on Noahides.

The Sanhedrin - en

 

[jasoncran]

did the apostle john believe this theory? if so show we anywhere in the bible or by ecf's etc that he says that.

surely the writer of revalation would know that.

 

[zone]

did the apostle john believe this theory? if so show we anywhere in the bible or by ecf's etc that he says that.

surely the writer of revalation would know that.

please go back to just a few of my recent posts.
i showed what Jesus showed John concerning the great city.

i showed where Jesus warned in Mark (and Matthew and Luke) that before His coming believers would be delivered up to councils, and i showed what councils means in the Greek.

zone.

 

[jasoncran]

ok that doesnt mean heres the problem if the the pharisees and the lord never didnt call them jews btw., the syanguouge of satan doesnt mean that as the jews are the one that persecute them

here i will show you.

luke 21:12 states the synagogue is where the christians will be delivered now then who is usually found at the synagogue then and now? the jews

then in revalation 3:9 the lord calls them as not being jews and they say they are show me by verse that the lord calls the pharisees not jews.

i aint seeing it. he never told them that they weren jews only that they were hyprocrites, he even tell his disciples to follow them when bid for a feast and told them not to live like they do.

or that he said they sit in moses seat.

that is a problem for you.

 

[zone]

i was wrong its 350 ce(ad) that was the last time, but did jesus call them the seat of satan then when he was on the earth. possibly, heres the problem with that are we to assume that all jews are satanic. yes they did persecute, no doubt about that. but why then would john, peter, others visit synagougues to worship with the devil?

i find that its odd that they would do that. see acts 3.
and also the other times paul would go to synagouge in worship and then would speak about christ.

nobody is saying all jews are satanic. that's crazy.
the bible says some believed.
it says some hardened their hearts and were blinded. lots of people do that.
Jesus clearly identifies the SoS as NOT jews.
so who are they?
Herods were Edomites who converted to Judaism. they were "kings" over the jews in the Roman Empire. because they practised Judaism, does that make them Israelites, of Jacob? no. it means they are of Esau most likely.
you have to get that the "Noah" in Noahide Laws has nothing whatsoever to do with Noah of the ark.
this is made up goo-goo so they can enforce Talmudic Judaism on gentiles.
the real jews are just as duped.
ADL and SPLC etc have worked hard to deflect investigation of this stuff.

 

[zone]

ok that doesnt mean heres the problem if the the pharisees and the lord never didnt call them jews btw., the syanguouge of satan doesnt mean that as the jews are the one that persecute them

here i will show you.

luke 21:12 states the synagogue is where the christians will be delivered now then who is usually found at the synagogue then and now? the jews

then in revalation 3:9 the lord calls them as not being jews and they say they are show me by verse that the lord calls the pharisees not jews.

i aint seeing it. he never told them that they weren jews only that they were hyprocrites, he even tell his disciples to follow them when bid for a feast and told them not to live like they do.

or that he said they sit in moses seat.

that is a problem for you.

jason,
i don't have time or energy to argue you into seeing anything. no hard feelings.
we all approach things differently.

here's a video that looks directly into what Rabbinic Judaism is, and what it was in Jesus' Day. until you understand that this IS NOT the Old Testament, you won't see it.

Ted Pike - The Other Israel

58:41 - 4 years ago


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4452153918748081072#docid=-6657600254881054584

 

[jasoncran]

i was going to stop anyway.

 

[TonkaTim]

yes, i dont think that satan is that stupid, he is all about himself but theres the miracles that occured in the six day war.

Jason I was discussing satan's personality as described by scripture.

I never said he was stupid, he probably has far greater intelligence than any imperfect man to carry out his deception against all the nations of the world.(Rev 20:3)

I said he was a narcisst.
Isaiah 14:
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

All great wars and calamities of men have been created by narcisst. Their minds are in agreement with his. Mao, Trotsky, Stalin, Bonaparte, Nero, Nimrod all come quickly to mind. All narcisst, all intelligent.

Satan's true religion is Atheism.
Why do I say this? You can see it in the first lie.
Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Satan is telling Eve she does not need God(denial of God) and she too can be a god (self-exaltation).

Those two things are the essence of Atheism. denial of God + exalt self(narcissism)

Anton LaVey declares these exact concepts in his satanic bible & church of satan. LaVey created "ritualized atheism".

I also said "murderer from the beginning" & his motive was because "he hated mankind".

I know this because Jesus said - John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

We see this act in Genesis 3. Murder is a crime of hate.


Now speaking of miracles.
I'm old enough to remember 1967. For several years after the six-day war there was even reports of such great "signs and wonders"(miracles). People were even claiming the soldeirs saw Angels of Light protecting the IDF against Egypt. Some pretty wild stuff was claimed.

What I do know for sure is the nation of Israel has an incredible intelligence agency. I know they were prepared and had brilliant military commanders who exercised precise tactics in the field like Yal, Yoffe , & Sharon in the Sinai. These tactics are very worthy of study from a military tactician's veiwpoint.

I also know the preplanning and execution of the June 5 offensive taking out Egypt's, Jordan's, etc. Air Forces was the key to victory. It crippled the surrounding nation's air power and immediately gave them air superiority. The same tactics the US uses now.

Moshe Diane & his commanders demonstrated one of the best laid plans for asymmetrical warfare in the late modern era.

Why/how was my discussion of satanic personality disorder relevant to the 6-day war?
A bit confused why you made the connection.

 

[jasoncran]

i will answer this then, read the miracles on that i posted a link to them and it shows no mighty swift defeat by isreal being ready just a bunch of dumb mistakes made by thier enemies, as they would surrounder to them thinking they had the larger force and also that the arabs thought that the isrealis were the iraquis in jordan and let them get close and were destroyed when they have the tactical advantage long before that.

odd for a satanic attack not to be against the jew alone when that comes about.

 

[TonkaTim]

i will answer this then, read the miracles on that i posted a link to them and it shows no mighty swift defeat by isreal being ready just a bunch of dumb mistakes made by thier enemies, as they would surrounder to them thinking they had the larger force and also that the arabs thought that the isrealis were the iraquis in jordan and let them get close and were destroyed when they have the tactical advantage long before that.

odd for a satanic attack not to be against the jew alone when that comes about.

Jason,

Catch me up please. As I said I'm a bit confused about why your on this path.

edit:

Did my explaination of satan's personality disorder remind you of a conversation you had with someone else?
I answered what I knew about the six-day war out of courtesy.

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[Shilohsfoal]

very well lets see here

isiah 10:22
isiah 11:11,12(both judah and isreal restored)

these are easiest to find

and let me ask you this as it relates when christ returns to judge the earth? will it be a physical return or and how long will he reign?

its revelant as theres this verse stating where he will return.

acts 1:6 " When they therefore come together, they asked him, saying Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom of ISREAL?"
and then the Lord's response
acts 1:7" And he said unto them . It is not for you to know the times or season, which the Father has put in his own power"

one might think if the christians is the new isreal and the promise was done and isreal as a nation forsaken then why didnt the lord tell the apostles that since they ask that dumb question?

Jason.The name Israel was given to one who had overcome.
Like I said.The kingdom(aka promised land) was being controlled by the romans.The apostles wanted to know if Jesus would restore the kingdom unto Israel at that time.
No Jesus did not restore the kingdom unto Israel at that time nor has he since.
The goverment that rules the kingdom(aka promised land) now is known as a beast in the scripture.That kingdom shall be taken away from that beast and given to the saints (Israel)of the most High when Jesus returns.
According to scripture the saints that are there shall be killed and resurrected.They inherit that kingdom.They are Israel.They overcome.

 

[Strangelove]

I would like people who are interested in this to please watch this video with an open mind.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4452153918748081072#docid=-6657600254881054584
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4452153918748081072#docid=-6657600254881054584

This is not antisemitism. It is realism.

".....all other continents will become united in a world alliance at whose disposal will be an international police force. All armies will be abolished and there will be no more wars. In Jerusalem, the United Nations will build a shrine of the prophets to serve the federated union of all continents; this will be the seat of the Supreme Court of Mankind, to settle all controversies among the federated continents, as prophesied by Isaiah…"
-David Ben Gurion (Life Magazine and Look Magazine of the 16th of January 1962)

 

[Adstar]

read the chapters of zecheriah where it says that he will restore jerusalem. if the lord has already done that, why then repeat that as a future event? that book was written after hoshea(he address isreal and is a contemporary of isiah) zechariah is postexillic btw.

I believe the restored Jerusalem your talking about will be restored by Jesus upon His second return. I think the High court of Israel points to who set up the current state of israel. I believe it is part of the great deception of the end times. The modern state of israel is a fake impostor.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days