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Mystery, Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots

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It was a question jason, not an accusation.

dude they already knew if we talk they talk about us that. if you really are that worried then why talk or post about this stuff on the net or the cell phone.
 
dude they already knew if we talk they talk about us that. if you really are that worried then why talk or post about this stuff on the net or the cell phone.

with that i depart though not offended. we have repeated ourselves long enough and have reached impasse.
 
So are you saying the two witnesses will not be actual men?
Men to whom God chooses to reveal His mind so that they can reveal the truth?

(almost missed this post - plus I type slow & try to make sure my phrasing is clear)

Truth is from all my reading I'm not really sure. Because the scriptures do not call them men. (though some translation do - the greek root does not either)

What I do know & can verify is:

Revelation 11:3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

"These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth"

Rev 1:20The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches

Declares the the 7 ekklesia (churches) the candlesticks(lampstands)

As I've discussed earlier Paul teaches in agreement with Hosea that all believers are all of Israel - The Olive Tree.

But then too, I can see two powerful persons sent by God representing the Believers & the 7 churches (ekklesia)

So, I figure I'll know when I see it. (hopefully)
 
Do you always make such broad assumptions? Taking my question and turning it into an accusation so you can declare it an insult?

i will restate this i am not offended as i misunderstood as i was posting when you were and didnt see your response to that till now.
 
(almost missed this post - plus I type slow & try to make sure my phrasing is clear)

Truth is from all my reading I'm not really sure. Because the scriptures do not call them men. (though some translation do - the greek root does not either)

What I do know & can verify is:

Revelation 11:3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

"These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth"

Rev 1:20The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches

Declares the the 7 ekklesia (churches) the candlesticks(lampstands)

As I've discussed earlier Paul teaches in agreement with Hosea that all believers are all of Israel - The Olive Tree.

But then too, I can see two powerful persons sent by God representing the Believers & the 7 churches (ekklesia)

So, I figure I'll know when I see it. (hopefully)

Wearing sackcloth seems to be an indicator, don't you think? And prophesying?
 
so i should take yall words for it and not be a bearean?

No way!!

Are you doing any independent digging?

You go ahead and do that Brother and DISCERN!

Thats all we can do at the end of the day is discern.

You could also note the fact that you are the only Brother fighting the info brought forward here. That should tell ya something bud.

G'night folks....

I'm off to bed.

God bless us all.
 
i will restate this i am not offended as i misunderstood as i was posting when you were and didnt see your response to that till now.
Okay.
I meant no offense btw.
I don't consider you an enemy either. I asked to hear your response.
In truth I wondered if you would respond at all.
You are self proclaimed military, and a moderator who said he knows we are monitored by the government.
Like killing two birds with one stone.
Anyway, no big deal.
 
No way!!

Are you doing any independent digging?

You go ahead and do that Brother and DISCERN!

Thats all we can do at the end of the day is discern.

You could also note the fact that you are the only Brother fighting the info brought forward here. That should tell ya something bud.

i have read all that you post, and so, some truthers say the same of the 9-11.

jesus and his apostles were outnumbered and..

i will say again this is the internet and number of whack jobs can and do post bs.

that is where some that are good at actualy investigating come and will risk it to find out.

i notice that you only answered the first part, why should based on some guy i cant see that has a site that says look the jews are bad etc when he could be a liar and wanting attention.

that is the reason i go to these afformentioned sites as they investigate and post from newsources where they are paid professionals to investigate these things

strange that you agree with the hs domestic violence thing and i do why. cause of a pro-isreal christian jew that pointed it out to me. he sued the govt to change that and he also fight for our rights of free speech, yup i guess hes one of them, liars satan worshippers.

bloggers and christian sites arent enough for me on this.
 
i am aware of that, that is why i say a persecution is a coming to the american christian, the best to see this stuff isnt the blogger but these guys,

aclj.org(calling out iman rauf as a liar at present)
and also breakpoint.org with chuck colson he pointed out to me that the green movement wants to control the population via birth control and also the coming idea of modern eugenics and also the euthansia.

You're on to some stuff there.

Considering Imam Rauf connections , the very fact he is CFR.

Has been a special middle east envoy for Bush & Obama makes me very suspicious of him.

The controversy created by the Cordoba project just seems too convient to foster more islamahate & division.

The current divisions make me think about what is going on in Daniel 11 with the battles between the Kings of the North and the Kings of the South. Neither are good guys. This prophecy to reminds me of the division between the Northern & Southern Kingdoms as described in the Book of 1 Kings 12 & 13 and the prophets. Neither were really the good guys there either.

So when we think about where the current apostates of all of Israel actually are we see a reflection in Daniel's prophecies. Which ties back into what Doc & Zone are stating. Because it appears the current Northern Kingdoms are controlled/heavily influenced by people who are in association with the Synogogue of Satan. ( stating appears from the perspective of a watcher because I know I am speculating and all should be clear when they do speculate.)
 
Okay.
I meant no offense btw.
I don't consider you an enemy either. I asked to hear your response.
In truth I wondered if you would respond at all.
You are self proclaimed military, and a moderator who said he knows we are monitored by the government.
Like killing two birds with one stone.
Anyway, no big deal.

lol, i have known of the govt monitoring the internet since the mid 90s before i was saved. and the reasons in part is for cyberterrorism and intel gathering and to monitor hate sites.

and btw the govt knows already, as some on the army website have discussed this, and at present if the army wanted them they would be gone.

again if we take this too far are we to not trust anyone on the net? if so why even post here, one of us could be a spy!

see how silly this can be.
 
Wearing sackcloth seems to be an indicator, don't you think? And prophesying?

Yup, and sackcloth can also represent mourning & repentence. Which could mean spiritual revival in the Lampstand & Olive tree. So, I'm not 100% when looking at the full context of scripture, and don't see how anyone actually could till we see the events unfold.

Thoughts?
 
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lol, i have known of the govt monitoring the internet since the mid 90s before i was saved. and the reasons in part is for cyberterrorism and intel gathering and to monitor hate sites.

and btw the govt knows already, as some on the army website have discussed this, and at present if the army wanted them they would be gone.

again if we take this too far are we to not trust anyone on the net? if so why even post here, one of us could be a spy!

see how silly this can be.

Yes I see how silly it can be.
You are a bit testy sometimes jason, but I've always felt in my heart you have your heart in the right place.
 
i am testy cause its hard to read context on the net, i am a lowkey in person on this or any subject.

i wont overeact as much in person.
 
i do debate this is in person.

been awhile with the nwo stuff.

my pastor talks about this.
 
Yup, and sackcloth can also represent mourning & repentence. Which could mean spiritual revival in the Lampstand & Olive tree. So, I'm not 100% when looking at the full context of scripture, and don't see anyone one actually could be till we see the events unfold.

Thoughts?
My thoughts are as yours, we can only wait and see.
If I knew of a nuclear bomb, where it was, when it would go off, and tried to warn people; they would question it, and debate it, until it went off.
Only when it goes off can they look back and say, "I guess he was right".
So what can be said?

Christians are caught in a catch 22, they need to make sure that no one deceives them, and they want to be on guard and be sure of the truth they believe. So if God send them a messenger to make sure they know the truth, they first have to doubt, then examine, and by the time they are sure it will be upon them. So what good is it to foretell and warn?
 
My thoughts are as yours, we can only wait and see.
If I knew of a nuclear bomb, where it was, when it would go off, and tried to warn people; they would question it, and debate it, until it went off.
Only when it goes off can they look back and say, "I guess he was right".
So what can be said?

Christians are caught in a catch 22, they need to make sure that no one deceives them, and they want to be on guard and be sure of the truth they believe. So if God send them a messenger to make sure they know the truth, they first have to doubt, then examine, and by the time they are sure it will be upon them. So what good is it to foretell and warn?

To keep folks reading the scriptures & looking to Christ so no person will fall to the wayside. Also to keep all prepared to do all they can do to Stand if & when the time comes. Because this is some of what Christ told us to do. Watch & pray.
 
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