Observing the Sabbath

[JLB]

Oviously they did not break the Sabbath, if Christ borke the Sabbath, He was not without sin and could not be the perfect sacrifice... Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Now, did He break the Sabbath?

Again, what you think is the Sabbath, and you interpret the Sabbath, may not be as God intended.

This is what Jesus said - "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working."

He does not keep the Sabbath.

He does not Break the Sabbath.

He is the Sabbath.


JLB

 

[smaller]

You do know what the Diaglott is, don't you?

What does the Diaglott tell you about shadows?

What does the Diaglott tell you about sin?

What does the Diaglott tell you about 'the good things to come?'

What does the Diaglott tell you about lying?

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[Elijah674]

Christ God executed the ones who presumptuously violated His Day for Worship in the OT and them Blessed the NT ones??? (I would not buy into that one!)

--Elijah

 

[John 8:32]

You do know what the Diaglott is, don't you?

What does the Diaglott tell you about shadows?

What does the Diaglott tell you about sin?

What does the Diaglott tell you about 'the good things to come?'

What does the Diaglott tell you about lying?

?

You do know that it is simply an interlinear Greek to English don't you?

 

[smaller]

Hello,

I would like to discuss the observance of the seventh day Sabbath. Are you for or against it and why? Also, in this discussion, please use scripture to support your position.

I'll start.

I believe in observing the Sabbath because it is part of the Ten Commandments.

The New Testament tells us clearly that the Law changed. Yes, changed.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

What happened?

It does not take a genius to see that The Word changed.

What happened to THE WORD OF GOD?

John answers and addresses what happened to THE WORD of God right here:

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

Pointless and problematic to 'look back' and not be aware of the change.

Exodus 30:8, Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

I believe the Ten Commandments are Sound Doctrine. 2 Timothy 4:3.

As do I. Paul summarized every command in the entire text and placed them upon every believer in Romans 13:8-10.

And in the process Paul showed the 'spiritual intent and content' of every command and made it exceptionally simple to comply, and thereby fulfill the Law in ourselves.

Showing up in the pew ain't part of that. Though it is not 'illegal' to do so.

Paul himself was 'under the law' or 'not under the law' as the Jews might see same 'if he felt like it.' It didn't matter either way to Paul.

I observe the Sabbath with the same fervor as not committing adultery, not stealing, not worshipping other gods, not murdering, not bearing false witness, not coveting, not using God's name in vain, not dishonoring my parents and not worshipping idols.

Well, bravo for you! When you sit in the pew on Saturday are you 'legally obedient' at that point in time? Temporarily sinless?

Say on about how 'legal' you are in that exercise or any of the others.

Will wait to hear if you have a 'truthful' conclusion about your state of being when being supposedly legal.

enjoy!

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[smaller]

You do know what the Diaglott is, don't you?

What does the Diaglott tell you about shadows?

What does the Diaglott tell you about sin?

What does the Diaglott tell you about 'the good things to come?'

What does the Diaglott tell you about lying?

?

You do know that it is simply an interlinear Greek to English don't you?

You are welcome to bypass the observations in order to uphold a non-existing presentation.

s

 

[Joe Domingo]

Again, Jesus lived by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, not just the 10 commandments.

Agreed. And that includes not excludes the Ten Commandments.
Jesus never broke the Ten Commandments - that is a curse! Jesus broke the traditions of men. Two different things.

The Ten Commandments were the only Words written by God's own finger. Every other word in the Bible was written by men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Out of all the words in the Bible to play around with - those ten are dangerous to play with ...

 

[smaller]

I am certain that we are to become Peacemakers who sow in peace and work in unity: each of us, building each other up, and looking toward a harvest of upright acts and righteousness that shall be harvested and which is His due.

IF I had to attend Saturday Sabbath with the understanding that if I didn't I would be eternally killed or eternally burned alive forever, sorry, I wouldn't attend, as that is a sin to me.

Same statement if I had to believe that would happen to other believers. It would be a sin for me to 'fellowship' with those requirements/mindsets as I can not in 'good conscience' agree to such idiocy.

s

 

[John 8:32]

Hello,

I would like to discuss the observance of the seventh day Sabbath. Are you for or against it and why? Also, in this discussion, please use scripture to support your position.

I'll start.

I believe in observing the Sabbath because it is part of the Ten Commandments.

The New Testament tells us clearly that the Law changed. Yes, changed.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

What happened?

It does not take a genius to see that The Word changed.

What happened to THE WORD OF GOD?

John answers and addresses what happened to THE WORD of God right here:

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

Pointless and problematic to 'look back' and not be aware of the change.

Exodus 30:8, Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

I believe the Ten Commandments are Sound Doctrine. 2 Timothy 4:3.

As do I. Paul summarized every command in the entire text and placed them upon every believer in Romans 13:8-10.

And in the process Paul showed the 'spiritual intent and content' of every command and made it exceptionally simple to comply, and thereby fulfill the Law in ourselves.

Showing up in the pew ain't part of that. Though it is not 'illegal' to do so.

Paul himself was 'under the law' or 'not under the law' as the Jews might see same 'if he felt like it.' It didn't matter either way to Paul.

I observe the Sabbath with the same fervor as not committing adultery, not stealing, not worshipping other gods, not murdering, not bearing false witness, not coveting, not using God's name in vain, not dishonoring my parents and not worshipping idols.

Well, bravo for you! When you sit in the pew on Saturday are you 'legally obedient' at that point in time? Temporarily sinless?

Say on about how 'legal' you are in that exercise or any of the others.

Will wait to hear if you have a 'truthful' conclusion about your state of being when being supposedly legal.

enjoy!

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I suspect you do not know what was changed. Have you read the chapter in context?

 

[smaller]

I suspect you do not know what was changed. Have you read the chapter in context?

Your one liners aren't cutting it.

sorry

Every N.T. Christian worth their salt should have figured out early in their beliefs that the Word of Law, of God in Christ in the Old Testament became flesh and dwelt among us.

IN the light of this very secure fact it is entirely pointless to overlook that CHANGE...and the subsequent changes that came after that.

To look at The Word of God of the Old Testament as anything other than Jesus Christ is a complete waste of time and the presenters have nothing but false notions and imaginations of WHO THE WORD Is.

You can say 'the Sabbath' is THE WORD OF GOD.

And I'd say you can sit in the pew every Saturday from now until whenever and that supposed Word is still not Jesus Christ.

You getting the picture here yet? Or do you want to keep one lining me?

The above is only the first line of reasoned approach.

Secondly, do you become sinless in the pew on Saturday? You expect anyone to believe that? So what are you then when being 'so called' legally compliant? A legally obedient sinner? You expect anyone with half a wit is going to buy that kind of conflict in terms? A sinner is by definition ILLEGAL.

So, another avenue is 'temporarily sinless.' And of course that is going to rightfully be a hard sell as well.

Go ahead. One line me all you want. I'll keep putting up the observations of fact and some will engage and get the pictures sooner or later.

And some 'legalists' will maybe even stop lying to themselves?

s

 

[Joe Domingo]

"IF I had to attend Saturday Sabbath with the understanding that if I didn't I
would be eternally killed or eternally burned alive forever, sorry, I wouldn't
attend, as that is a sin to me."

This question is for all those who oppose Shabbat...

can you willfully commit adultery and keep doing it till the day you die and be saved? Yes or no

If you answer yes - you've settled the debate between me and you.

You getting the picture here yet? Or do you want to keep one lining me?

Sir there is no picture to get. It's apples and oranges.

You keep throwing salvation into this... one does not observe Shabbat to be saved just as much one does not commit adultery to be saved. One does it because they are saved. read Paul Romans - He says do we then make void the Law? He says God forbid. We establish the Law. It does not get any more clearer than that

 

[reba]

2.5: Respect each others' opinions. Address issues, not persons or personalities. Give other members the respect you would want them to give yourself.

Do not ignore this warning

 

[smaller]

"IF I had to attend Saturday Sabbath with the understanding that if I didn't I would be eternally killed or eternally burned alive forever, sorry, I wouldn't attend, as that is a sin to me."

This question is for all those who oppose Shabbat...

can you willfully commit adultery and keep doing it till the day you die and be saved? Yes or no

If you answer yes - you've settled the debate between me and you.

When you sit in the pew on Saturday and even think about not being there you may as well have not showed up.

When you think you are not commiting adultery and have a single thought of same, you may as well stop fooling yourself about your so called 'state of sinless legally obedient perfection, temporary sinlessness or being a legally obedient sinner.

Judge from the outside of the cup all you please.

That does not reach the heart of the issues, and is in fact the identical mistake the Pharisees were drawn into, and in the end were proven to be the killers they were on the inside regardless.

Sorry if some have a more intimate look at these subjects.

s

 

[reba]

2.5: Respect each others' opinions. Address issues, not persons or personalities. Give other members the respect you would want them to give yourself.

Do not ignore this warning

to all of you

I repeated this posts the last post was being written as i posted the warning.... Knock off the personal attacks

 

[farouk]

A good verse to remember: 'But now is Christ risen and is become the firstfruits of them that slept' (1 Corinthians 15.20). We are no longer under the old economy, waiting for our Heavenly Bridegroom to be revealed. Of all the ten commandments in Exodus 20, the sabbath is the only one not repeated by the Lord Jesus in His teaching in the Gospels: we are now under grace, and what C H Spurgeon called 'the glorious Bridegroom of our hearts' now dwells with us by His Spirit.

Blessings.

 

[smaller]

2.5: Respect each others' opinions. Address issues, not persons or personalities. Give other members the respect you would want them to give yourself.

Do not ignore this warning

to all of you

I repeated this posts the last post was being written as i posted the warning.... Knock off the personal attacks

I'm already 'on record' here in numerous places that:

A. I condemn exactly ZERO believers for any reason

and

B. That I do not condemn any believer for attending Saturday Sabbath or not murdering or NOT committing adultery

That being said the fact of the matter is that 99.99% of Saturday Sabbath promoters automatically include either outright or as a potential, the eternal eradication or eternal torture of believers who see differently.

So who are the violators Reba?

I merely point out 'their' facts for them to confirm or not. Nothing more.

???

s

 

[Joe Domingo]

A good verse to remember: 'But now is Christ risen and is become the firstfruits of them that slept' (1 Corinthians 15.20). We are no longer under the old economy, waiting for our Heavenly Bridegroom to be revealed. Of all the ten commandments in Exodus 20, the sabbath is the only one not repeated by the Lord Jesus in His teaching in the Gospels: we are now under grace, and what C H Spurgeon called 'the glorious Bridegroom of our hearts' now dwells with us by His Spirit.

Blessings.

YES YES YES

This is worth more than Gold!

You admitted it! You are so bold kudos to you!

You admitted that God is partial and he changes his mind. Awesome.

Of course I don't agree with you but hey lol

Oh by the way - I don't condemn anyone. But I do try to enlighten.

 

[farouk]

A good verse to remember: 'But now is Christ risen and is become the firstfruits of them that slept' (1 Corinthians 15.20). We are no longer under the old economy, waiting for our Heavenly Bridegroom to be revealed. Of all the ten commandments in Exodus 20, the sabbath is the only one not repeated by the Lord Jesus in His teaching in the Gospels: we are now under grace, and what C H Spurgeon called 'the glorious Bridegroom of our hearts' now dwells with us by His Spirit.

Blessings.

YES YES YES

This is worth more than Gold!

You admitted it! You are so bold kudos to you!

You admitted that God is partial and he changes his mind. Awesome.

Of course I don't agree with you but hey lol

Joe Domingo:

I don't understand your post, friend.

As I understand it, the New Testament and the Old Testament are quite distinct.

 

[Joe Domingo]

As I understand it, the New Testament and the Old Testament are quite
distinct.

Question: Is Jeremiah 31:31-33 speaking of both Old and New Covenants? And if so, what are the differences?

 

[Joe Domingo]

I repeated this posts the last post was being written as i posted the
warning.... Knock off the personal attacks

Wo! lol

Are you referring to me?

If so can you tell me where I attacked someone personally?