Observing the Sabbath

[JLB]

Farouk, can you show me where the Old Covenant began?

Genesis 17 is where the Old Covenant began.

Now if you meant the law of Moses, that's different.

1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. 2 And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly." 3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying: 4 "As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. 5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. Genesis 17:1-7


JLB

 

[smaller]

The day of the resurrection corresponds with the feast of firstfruits in the Old Testament, but now the New Testament believer has the essence and fulfilment of what the types and shadows look forward to. So to my understanding, going back under the law to the Jewish sabbath is not an option, anyway.

Of course. That is a reasonable N.T. view that is in fact held by many.

The 'follow the Old Testament Law' only as 'X' person or sect sees it amounts to a 'fake it til you make it' form of Gospel. A dry, shallow taste left in the mouth.

s

 

[JLB]

The only way a person can truly come into the place of rest is have a body that is sinless and immortal and exerts no energy in doing.

Furthermore having a sinless complete unified spirit, soul and body that is free from the striving that is described by Paul.

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Romans 7:23-24

and again -

22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. Romans 8:22-25

The true rest comes when when we have been resurrected and receive our immortal sinless glorified bodies and are able to receive the fulness of the spirit, not just the first-fruits, whereby we will dwell with Him here for a thousand years during that seventh day.


JLB

 

[smaller]

The only way a person can truly come into the place of rest is have a body that is sinless and immortal and exerts no energy in doing.

Furthermore having a sinless complete unified spirit, soul and body that is free from the striving that is described by Paul.

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Romans 7:23-24

and again -

22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. Romans 8:22-25

The true rest comes when when we have been resurrected and receive our immortal sinless glorified bodies and are able to receive the fulness of the spirit, not just the first-fruits, whereby we will dwell with Him here for a thousand years during that seventh day.

JLB

Another WELL balanced sight above.

s

 

[John 8:32]

Farouk, can you show me where the Old Covenant began?

Genesis 17 is where the Old Covenant began.

Now if you meant the law of Moses, that's different.

1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. 2 And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly." 3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying: 4 "As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. 5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. Genesis 17:1-7


JLB

The actual agreement was ratified here...

Exo 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.

 

[John 8:32]

No I am not saying that, the interlinear translation known as the Diaglott says that. Also, Dr. Bullinger says that...

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the Sabbaths, when we were gathered together to eat a common meal, Paul preached unto them, being about to depart on the morrow; and was extending the word until midnight.

And if you would examine Strong's you would find that the Greek says that...

Act 20:7 ... firstG3391 day of theG3588 week,G4521 ...

first:

G3391
μία
mia
mee'-ah
Irregular feminine of G1520; one or first: - a (certain), + agree, first, one, X other.

Yep, means first.

day of the:

G3588
ὁ, ἡ, τό
ho hē to
ho, hay, to
The masculine, feminine (second) and neuter (third) forms, in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom): - the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.

The definite article.

week:

G4521
σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.

Guess what Shabbath means here.

Hint: It does not mean Sunday. This passage is speaking of the first Sabbath of seven in the count toward Pentecost...

Lev 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:

Now, you can do as I did and research what it really means, or you may continue to believe what someone told you without looking into it. Entirely up to you.

And are you saying as well that New Testament believers thus have to go back under the Old Testament sabbath again?

(Not my personal view, anyway.)

When was the Sabbath created?

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

He rested on the seventh day, but was it really the Sabbath?

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Says right there that the Eternal blessed and hallowed the seventh day Sabbath at creation week.

John 8.32:

Oh, I see where you might be coming from, anyway.

Are you Seventh Day Adventist, by any chance? (honest question)

An honest answer for an honest question...

No, I have many disagreements with the SDAs, Going to heaven, vegetarianism, the Great Controversy, the judgments periods of God to name a few.

The day of the resurrection corresponds with the feast of firstfruits in the Old Testament, but now the New Testament believer has the essence and fulfilment of what the types and shadows look forward to. So to my understanding, going back under the law to the Jewish sabbath is not an option, anyway.

Actually, that is a misconception. There is no Feast Day for the resurrection, the Feast of Firstfruits, is the 50th day after the Wave Sheaf. The Wave Sheaf is the Feast Day that corresponds to the presentation of Christ to the Father as the sacrifice for sin...

Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Pentecost is the shadow of the giving of the Holy Spirit and the First Resurrection. The early harvest...

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

 

[JLB]

Farouk, can you show me where the Old Covenant began?

Genesis 17 is where the Old Covenant began.

Now if you meant the law of Moses, that's different.

1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. 2 And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly." 3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying: 4 "As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. 5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. Genesis 17:1-7


JLB

The actual agreement was ratified here...

Exo 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.

Well it's plain to see why you believe the way you do.

The Abrahamic Covenant was between The Lord and Abraham.

Abraham's part was the blood letting of Circumcision.

The Lord had to become flesh to "ratify' His part.

Meanwhile, The law was "added" till the Seed should come and do His part of bloodletting.

17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect. 18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise. 19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.


JLB

 

[John 8:32]

So to my understanding, going back under the law to the Jewish sabbath is not an option, anyway.

Just a few questions to provoke a little thought...

How many Jews were there at this time?

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Who gave the Sabbath?

Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

Was it a Commandment before Mt. Sinai?

Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Is it the Jews Feast Day?

Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Will it be kept in the Millenium?

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

 

[John 8:32]

Farouk, can you show me where the Old Covenant began?

Genesis 17 is where the Old Covenant began.

Now if you meant the law of Moses, that's different.

1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. 2 And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly." 3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying: 4 "As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. 5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. Genesis 17:1-7


JLB

The actual agreement was ratified here...

Exo 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.

Well it's plain to see why you believe the way you do.

The Abrahamic Covenant was between The Lord and Abraham.

Abraham's part was the blood letting of Circumcision.

The Lord had to become flesh to "ratify' His part.

Meanwhile, The law was "added" till the Seed should come and do His part of bloodletting.

17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect. 18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise. 19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.


JLB

What was added?

Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

Sacrifices were the Laws added, they were the schoolmaster to teach about Christ's sacrifice.

 

[farouk]

Actually, that is a misconception.

1 Corinthians 15.20

 

[John 8:32]

Actually, that is a misconception.

1 Corinthians 15.20

And what day was that? It certainly wasn't 50 days after the sabbath within the Days of Unleavened Bread. Did Christ become the Firstfruits on this day?

Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

This is the Day of Firstfruits...

Lev 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
Lev 23:16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
Lev 23:17 Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.

50 days after the Wave Sheaf was offered, both the literal Wave Sheaf and Christ offering Himself to the Father.

Christ became the firstborn among many brethren...

Jas 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Now Christ was the...

Heb 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

captain:

G5048
τελειόω
teleioō
tel-i-o'-o
From G5046; to complete, that is, (literally) accomplish, or (figuratively) consummate (in character): - consecrate, finish, fulfil, (make) perfect.

The completion or consummation. The finished product.

 

[farouk]

I'm wondering what 'the firstfruits of them that slept' means, otherwise, in 1 Corinthians 15.20. I've long associated it with the Resurrection.

 

[SeekHisFace]

Hello,

I would like to discuss the observance of the seventh day Sabbath. Are you for or against it and why? Also, in this discussion, please use scripture to support your position.

I'll start.

I believe in observing the Sabbath because it is part of the Ten Commandments.

Exodus 30:8, Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

I believe the Ten Commandments are Sound Doctrine. 2 Timothy 4:3.

I observe the Sabbath with the same fervor as not committing adultery, not stealing, not worshipping other gods, not murdering, not bearing false witness, not coveting, not using God's name in vain, not dishonoring my parents and not worshipping idols.

I do not see a separation between any of these Commandments. If I do one, I do them all, James 2:10,11,12.

Disclaimers: I do not observe the Sabbath to be saved. I do not observe the Sabbath to be perfect, I do not observe the Sabbath like a Pharisee, orthodox Jews or any one practicing Judaism outside of faith in Christ.

I observe the Sabbath like a person who believes in Christ, a fallen sinner in need of repentance and grace. I observe the Sabbath because I love Jesus and I believe in doing what he did. He is my Role Model for Life.

I observe the Sabbath because it is a part of the Ten Commandments and the Ten Commandments are my Moral Code.

Edit: I would also like to add that all Ten Commandments were the Moral Code that Jesus lived by as well. Does anyone challenge this?

Hello Joe,

First of all, I have not read through all this thread yet, so if I repeat anything...forgive me. I just wanted to reply to you first before I read anyone else's comments.

I observe the Sabbath because of what I have found/where (scripture) the Lord has led me. I do not observe this in the way most people reply concerning it being in the old law. I keep this day very simple and follow the way Jesus kept it. He was accused of breaking the Sabbath when indeed He really was showing what it was all about. It was not about keeping rules and regulations/men's doctrine--written ordinances. It was all about honoring the Father and getting away for our works and doing the works of God. We cannot do this 7 days a week. No one can tell me that they are in God's "rest" every day, when they are off doing their jobs for other men--their way, etc. Sabbath day is a day for God, to get away from the works of the world and do God's works. Jesus did healings on the Sabbath, helping others. He picked corn-when He was hungry...etc. And Isaiah chapter 56, talks of it being a house of prayer, pleasing Him and not polluting it.
I will leave this post with these verses:

Mat_24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:


If Jesus came to change this...He would not have said this. Because this was a future event--after his death and resurrection.

Blessings...

 

[farouk]

PS: My whole hunch about trying to put Christians back under the Old Testament sabbath is that it's rather like putting them back under circumcision again. Whereas it's my understanding that the New Testament believer is under grace.

 

[SeekHisFace]

I also wanted to add one more...just wondering what you all think of what I found...

I looked up "rest" (Greek) in each one of these verses and there is only one that is different--and taken from a Hebrew word....and that is in verse 9.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.


Verses 1-8

G2663
κατάπαυσις
katapausis
kat-ap'-ow-sis
From G2664; reposing down, that is, (by Hebraism) abode: - rest.

G2664
καταπαύω
katapauō
kat-ap-ow'-o
From G2596 and G3973; to settle down, that is, (literally) to colonize, or (figuratively) to (cause to) desist: - cease, (give) rest (-rain).


Now for verse 9

Heb 4:9 There remainethG620 thereforeG686 a restG4520 to theG3588 peopleG2992 of God.G2316



G4520
σαββατισμός
sabbatismos
sab-bat-is-mos'
From a derivative of G4521; a “sabbatism”, that is, (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven): - rest.

G4521
σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.

H7676
שׁבּת
shabbâth
shab-bawth'
Intensive from H7673; intermission, that is, (specifically) the Sabbath: - (+ every) sabbath.

H7673
שׁבת
shâbath
shaw-bath'
A primitive root; to repose, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away

 

[JLB]

I also wanted to add one more...just wondering what you all think of what I found...

I looked up "rest" (Greek) in each one of these verses and there is only one that is different--and taken from a Hebrew word....and that is in verse 9.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.


Verses 1-8

G2663
κατάπαυσις
katapausis
kat-ap'-ow-sis
From G2664; reposing down, that is, (by Hebraism) abode: - rest.

G2664
καταπαύω
katapauō
kat-ap-ow'-o
From G2596 and G3973; to settle down, that is, (literally) to colonize, or (figuratively) to (cause to) desist: - cease, (give) rest (-rain).


Now for verse 9

Heb 4:9 There remainethG620 thereforeG686 a restG4520 to theG3588 peopleG2992 of God.G2316



G4520
σαββατισμός
sabbatismos
sab-bat-is-mos'
From a derivative of G4521; a “sabbatismâ€, that is, (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven): - rest.

G4521
σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.

H7676
שׁבּת
shabbâth
shab-bawth'
Intensive from H7673; intermission, that is, (specifically) the Sabbath: - (+ every) sabbath.

H7673
שׁבת
shâbath
shaw-bath'
A primitive root; to repose, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away

I like what you said about the Sabbath.

Consider this as well -

The only way a person can truly come into the place of rest is have a body that is sinless and immortal and exerts no energy in doing.

Furthermore having a sinless complete unified spirit, soul and body that is free from the striving that is described by Paul.

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Romans 7:23-24

and again -

22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. Romans 8:22-25

The true rest comes when when we have been resurrected and receive our immortal sinless glorified bodies and are able to receive the fulness of the spirit, not just the first-fruits, whereby we will dwell with Him here for a thousand years during that seventh day.

JLB

 

[Sparkey]

I am certain that we are to become Peacemakers who sow in peace and work in unity: each of us, building each other up, and looking toward a harvest of upright acts and righteousness that shall be harvested and which is His due.

IF I had to attend Saturday Sabbath with the understanding that if I didn't I would be eternally killed or eternally burned alive forever, sorry, I wouldn't attend, as that is a sin to me.

Same statement if I had to believe that would happen to other believers. It would be a sin for me to 'fellowship' with those requirements/mindsets as I can not in 'good conscience' agree to such idiocy.

s

Why do you speak to me about this, please? I did not intend to state what you must do in that regard.

This is what I tried to say:

We know that those who Honor God do not say, "Today only." Nobody says this.

 

[Mizzy]

No, whatever you do, please do NOT ban Joe. He is the only one here that has a grasp on Law and Grace.

Did you just admit that you don't? ;)

Ah come on 14 views no replies ...

It can't be that obvious, is it?

This is the subject that makes all Christians cringe - I wonder WHY?

I would like some clarity. When you say you, "observe the Sabbath," what does that mean? Please be specific so I can understand.

I would too, [MENTION=96446]Joe Domingo[/MENTION]. I've seen it asked of you 3 times (at last count) in this thread & you have yet to answer it. So, please do clarify how we are required to "observe the Sabbath?"

 

[farouk]

With regard to the questions which [MENTION=96523]Mizzy[/MENTION] is inviting answers, one answer should be that to be under grace means not being under law. The Epistle to the Galatians makes this clear, for the believer in the Gospel of the grace of God.

 

[George Muller]

yes we have discussed this on another thread, but I guess I will begin to defend the reason the Chruch worships on the first day of the week. Of course if we where under the law, we very well should keep the sabbath. And I agree with the OP that if one claims to be under the Ten Commandments, they very much should be under all of them. The OP also says that he "observes" the sabbath? Not sure what that means, because according to the law, this has very certain rules according to the written code. What I assume is that this is a day of rest and worship for him? Which is just as fine as frog hair. But for us who worship on the 1st day, we have clear biblical reasons.

Mr 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mr 16:9 ¶ Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Lu 24:1 ¶ Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Joh 20:1 ¶ The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Joh 20:19 ¶ Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come

Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 ¶ And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath

Man this thread really took off? I wanted to post again the reason we worship on the the first day of the week? First it is clear that Christ Jesus was raised on the first day of the week. That the chruch came together on the first day of the week. Now I dont care what day others worship on, I condemn no one. But we who worship on Sunday have overwelming and very clear scipture upon which we stand. Not to even mention the fact that the law has been abolished in the Body of the Lord.

2Co 3:6 ¶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 ¶ Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.