Old Testament Genocide

[Alabaster]

Alabaster, no I won't! I don't "know" about anything other than what men are telling me to believe! I'm sorry that we aren't connecting with this point. Especially when too many of his messengers [christian denominations, of which I talked about in another thread] state differing theologies. We're just going around in circles on this topic and I'm not sure how else to state that I need more than just men's word and their piousness. If I tried for 30 years, receiving silence, I would be foolish to continue trying.

You don't need any man's word. You need God's word. Open it and read it and expect God to speak to you. He will.

 

[Deavonreye]

As I said, I expected it for years but heard nothing. God doesn't want me.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

You don't need any man's word. You need God's word. Open it and read it and expect God to speak to you. He will.

You contradicted yourself.

You said in the post before this that there was no system, but now you are telling people to read the Bible so they can learn the word of God ( the system).

Alabaster, can you explain which point you are truly arguing from?

 

[Oats]

I'm not sure which of my points "are not tolerated". Can you specify, please?

Nazi Germany was an immoral system. Hebrew migration to "the promised land" held many of the same ideologies. Pre-Civil War America held some immoral ideologies, . . . and similar ideologies were condoned in the Old Testament.

These aren't statements of attack, but of truth.

Remember that God sets the standard for moral and immoral.

If we are to correctly assess the Christian religion we must use it's standard and judge or refute those.

Now atheism hold that if God were just he would not allow so and so to exist. He would make everything peaceful and no pain would ensue

The validity of this argument lies in that a God who is perfect must be just. He should pursue peace and establish it.

What an ideal Christian response would be (in my opinion) is

God is just, as well as perfect. Humans are his creation and they belong to him. In comparison to his holiness we fall so short that it actually is a remission and an unjust act. Humans do have the potential to do good and just, but we refuse. If humans could not help but be wicked God would then not be perfect.

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

the word perfect used here means

"finished, complete, having reached its end," and implies being fully grown or mature."

Remember they spoke a different language that is structure differently from English.

Now that we've established that man is imperfect by his own remission lets discuss why then God judges accordingly.

If God is a just God he would make the best decision regarding HIS creations, he would not and does not show partiality.

So if we analyze the Christian God then we must judge him as the Bible( his word) states that he is.

His Standard is the one that matters.

As Christians we believe God judges the heart not the external, at all

7But the LORD said to Samuel,(A) "Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the LORD sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance,(B) but the LORD looks on the heart."

So if we trust that God is just we know he does right based on what is known to him. And God knows all.

So before we look at the world and try to find the evil we should examine ourselves. God judges righteously

Both the wicked and the righteous were killed for God's glory.

Those people who were wicked died because they hated God in their hearts.

Those who were righteous died because they loved God and knew their life on this earth was a shadow of things to come

God did justly

 

[Deavonreye]

I don't find the biblical god to be "perfect", and there are places that show this, contrary to dogma. You can find them if you really look.

So, having said that, why judge us for "not being perfect"? And please point out the verse that shows that "god MUST judge imperfection".

 

[Oats]

I don't find the biblical god to be "perfect", and there are places that show this, contrary to dogma. You can find them if you really look.

So, having said that, why judge us for "not being perfect"? And please point out the verse that shows that "god MUST judge imperfection".

I've looked


God judges the heart....

Please I can show you a ton of verses saying so and so...

But pm me a lets shoot each other some knowledge

I don't want our business out there

It's logic behind this that I can show you...

Its better to ask these questions like you are than to pridefully assume...

I'm a new Christian but I have answers...trust me

 

[Deavonreye]

Why does god get to judge when he is less than perfect as well?

 

[farouk]

I don't find the biblical god to be "perfect", and there are places that show this, contrary to dogma. You can find them if you really look.

So, having said that, why judge us for "not being perfect"? And please point out the verse that shows that "god MUST judge imperfection".

How about letting the Holy Bible judge you rather than the other way round?

My supposed holiness isn't greater than the Bible's; in fact it's by far the other way round.

 

[Oats]

Why does god get to judge when he is less than perfect as well?

According to the Bible this is not true...God is perfect


What is your definition of perfection?


Why is God not perfect?

Ask me two questions....Please

If you are referring to the fictional work of the Bible( by your own saying)
then you have to address it from that standard

 

[Deavonreye]

How about letting the Holy Bible judge you rather than the other way round?

My supposed holiness isn't greater than the Bible's; in fact it's by far the other way round.

I'm not "judging", but giving my opinion.

I would say that your "holiness" actually IS greater. I could be wrong, though. Some people will defend Old Testament actions regardless of why they are immoral.

 

[Deavonreye]

According to the Bible this is not true...God is perfect

What is your definition of perfection?

Why is God not perfect?

There are too many definitions of the word "perfect". When I put the word into dictionary.com, I had a hard time fitting the biblical god into the many definitions given. I'm sorry if this is shocking, but that's just the way I see it.

Ask me two questions....Please

If you are referring to the fictional work of the Bible( by your own saying)
then you have to address it from that standard

No, I was not refering to the called non-literal stories, such as the Prodigal Son, or the like. I was refering to stories that are firmly believed to be literal, but are obviously not.

 

[Oats]

There are too many definitions of the word "perfect". When I put the word into dictionary.com, I had a hard time fitting the biblical god into the many definitions given. I'm sorry if this is shocking, but that's just the way I see it.




No, I was not refering to the called non-literal stories, such as the Prodigal Son, or the like. I was refering to stories that are firmly believed to be literal, but are obviously not.

And why are they not true?

 

[farouk]

...
I would say that your "holiness" actually IS greater. I could be wrong, though.....

D:

Actually, in contrast to the likes of me, the Bible says of God, [FONT=Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]

"For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name [is] Holy; I dwell in the high and holy [place], with him also [that is] of a contrite and humbe spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones."(Isaiah 57.15)[/FONT][/FONT]

 

[Deavonreye]

And why are they not true?

I can't prove all of them as "not true". Some I can. Those I can't are due to the fact that it would be impossible for there to have been evidence left over to test the claims. However, even if ONE single story can be shown to be untrue, then that's all I need to do.

 

[Alabaster]

You contradicted yourself.

You said in the post before this that there was no system, but now you are telling people to read the Bible so they can learn the word of God ( the system).

Alabaster, can you explain which point you are truly arguing from?

There is no contradiction.

This thread's direction has changed course and someone mentioned religion, as in systems of belief or institutional beliefs, or denominational tenets, which have nothing to do with salvation and the truth of Jesus Christ. We don't need a system of belief to dictate the truth to us. All we need is the word of God. Without it, you have nothing. The Church of Jesus Christ consists of all believers in this world...no particular church...just believers. Believers obey God by meeting together for fellowship and learning of the word.

 

[Alabaster]

As I said, I expected it for years but heard nothing. God doesn't want me.

That is a lie of Satan.

 

[Alabaster]

I don't find the biblical god to be "perfect", and there are places that show this, contrary to dogma. You can find them if you really look.

So, having said that, why judge us for "not being perfect"? And please point out the verse that shows that "god MUST judge imperfection".

God is indeed perfect. There is no sin in Him, and for anyone to blindly carry on as if He was beneath him, then that person is guilty of idolatry, placing himself over and before holy God as someone worthy to judge Him.

Why does god get to judge when he is less than perfect as well?

Why do you judge God? Are you perfect? Preposterous.

 

[Alabaster]

I can't prove all of them as "not true". Some I can. Those I can't are due to the fact that it would be impossible for there to have been evidence left over to test the claims. However, even if ONE single story can be shown to be untrue, then that's all I need to do.

There is nothing in all of scripture that can be proven to be untrue. You waste your time trying to trip God up.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

There is no contradiction.

Then I don't think you understand what you are saying then.

This thread's direction has changed course and someone mentioned religion, as in systems of belief or institutional beliefs, or denominational tenets, which have nothing to do with salvation and the truth of Jesus Christ

The system is God's rules. Its pretty basic.

. We don't need a system of belief to dictate the truth to us.

That's called the Bible. That book with all the rules and doctrine in it. That gives you Jesus's Rules in order to be saved. That's a system.

All we need is the word of God. Without it, you have nothing.

The rules of God are a system.

The Church of Jesus Christ consists of all believers in this world...no particular church...just believers. Believers obey God by meeting together for fellowship and learning of the word.

And that is what we called an institution.


God's rules are the system, and the people who fallow it are the institution.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

There is nothing in all of scripture that can be proven to be untrue. You waste your time trying to trip God up.

If you want to use that logic, you can't disprove the Koran or the Bhagavad-Gita either.

You can't trip up Krishna or Allah either.