On why being a good person is not enough

[Hopeful]

Ok I am certainly no scripture expert, but that is problematic for me to accept.
Don't you mean that the Light made you more aware of your sin? So if we are more aware of our sinful nature, we will sin less. I think true humility is noticing how arrogant we can get. The light makes us realise how utterly dependant we are on God. The light exposes out fragility, our blindness, our wilful rebellious nature that we can work it all out by ourselves. This is my problem. I rebel every day. I think I can manage with my own psychological study. The more I rely on Him, and less on myself, the better I will be.

You somehow are replying to Link1983, but it is my (Hopeful) words.
Sinning less is still sinning, and darkness.
If we walk in God/the light, there can be no sinning happening at all.
That is a result of a real repentance from sin. (And other tools provided by God.)

 

[Hopeful]

It is written..."The way of the wicked is as darkness: ..." (Pro 4:19)
Darkness IS sin.


If the blood of Christ can cleanse us of all sin...why can't we cay we have no sin?

You answered your own question there. If we have no sin. The why do Christ have to cleanse us?
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Christians are cleansed once, at their baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. (Acts 2:38)
Then they can walk in the light thereafter.

 

[humble soul]

If we walk in God/the light, there can be no sinning happening at all

Big statement sir. But it's over the top dogmatic and probably wrong altogether. Though I don't like to dismiss anyone in regard to theology. Just I fear you may be influencing more naive members, who will think your all or or nothing statements are impressive.

 

[Link1983]

"I stopped sinning the moment I saw the Light". ( hopeful)
Ok I am certainly no scripture expert, but that is problematic for me to accept.
Don't you mean that the Light made you more aware of your sin? So if we are more aware of our sinful nature, we will sin less. I think true humility is noticing how arrogant we can get. The light makes us realise how utterly dependant we are on God. The light exposes out fragility, our blindness, our wilful rebellious nature that we can work it all out by ourselves. This is my problem. I rebel every day. I think I can manage with my own psychological study. The more I rely on Him, and less on myself, the better I will be.

Well spoken! Sin is revealed by the light.
It is a process to purification.
I have yet to meet anyone who is completely without sin. Christian or not.. but a Christian is closer than anyone else. Because everything that comes into light is revealed and exposed.

 

[Link1983]

You answered your own question there. If we have no sin. The why do Christ have to cleanse us?

Christians are cleansed once, at their baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. (Acts 2:38)
Then they can walk in the light thereafter.
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This is true my friend. A strong truth you have seen. Still I am wondering if you understand that when you got saved. Your spirit got saved. Your mind and body didn't. This is our job to let our saved spirit. That is the real you. Let it dominate the mind and body. Because we still have our lusts and such. We know this right?
But yes. Once saved we are saved.

 

[humble soul]

I think if the light is really working, it is shining on us so we can see OUR sin more clearly than others sin. We become more focussed on how to behave well, than focussing on how others behaviour is not up to par.
Because the light awakens us to the love of God. We become hypnotised by his love, and only want to please Him.

 

[Link1983]

You answered your own question there. If we have no sin. The why do Christ have to cleanse us?

Christians are cleansed once, at their baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. (Acts 2:38)
Then they can walk in the light thereafter.
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Once saved we don't automatically walk in the light. We are just starting to walk in light. But some parts may have to be worked on. Purification is a process. It's not done automatically.
God did His part. Now we also have a part.
I am talking about purification. Not being saved.
When we are saved we are saved. That is done immediately by becoming a believer.
Just want to make shure we get it right.?

 

[Hopeful]

Big statement sir. But it's over the top dogmatic and probably wrong altogether. Though I don't like to dismiss anyone in regard to theology. Just I fear you may be influencing more naive members, who will think your all or or nothing statements are impressive.

If I can influences anyone to believe that God has the power to keep men free from sin, my life will not be in vain.

 

[Link1983]

I think if the light is really working, it is shining on us so we can see OUR sin more clearly than others sin. We become more focussed on how to behave well, than focussing on how others behaviour is not up to par.
Because the light awakens us to the love of God. We become hypnotised by his love, and only want to please Him.

Yes. Because of the Holy Spirit is revealing to us more and more and leading us in the right direction.
We are not more sin conscious but more right conscious.
We want to do right I think.

 

[Hopeful]

Christians are cleansed once, at their baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. (Acts 2:38)
Then they can walk in the light thereafter.

This is true my friend. A strong truth you have seen. Still I am wondering if you understand that when you got saved. Your spirit got saved. Your mind and body didn't. This is our job to let our saved spirit. That is the real you. Let it dominate the mind and body. Because we still have our lusts and such. We know this right?
But yes. Once saved we are saved.
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You seem to be unaware of Gal 5:24..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."
No flesh, no vile affections, and no lusts.
Results?
A man who walks in the Spirit.
BTW, my salvation won't be assured till I find my name is written in the book of life.
And it is up to me to insure it is.

 

[humble soul]

We are not more sin conscious but more right conscious.

That's an interesting comment. I think you are exactly right.

 

[Link1983]

If I can influences anyone to believe that God has the power to keep men free from sin, my life will not be in vain.

I too believe He can.
The question is then do we really believe that He can? And do we act like it?;)
It's more on us than it is on Him if we can get there..
Shalom.
I think it is good to reach high, not to settle for less.
But we should start where we are..

 

[humble soul]

God did not send His Son to make us sinless. He's not a petty, micro managing perfectionist. Counting our sins like an accountant.
He came to change out hearts. Our attitude. And of course he came to save us from hatred and self loathing.

 

[Link1983]

This is true my friend. A strong truth you have seen. Still I am wondering if you understand that when you got saved. Your spirit got saved. Your mind and body didn't. This is our job to let our saved spirit. That is the real you. Let it dominate the mind and body. Because we still have our lusts and such. We know this right?
But yes. Once saved we are saved.

You seem to be unaware of Gal 5:24..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."
No flesh, no vile affections, and no lusts.
Results?
A man who walks in the Spirit.
BTW, my salvation won't be assured till I find my name is written in the book of life.
And it is up to me to insure it is.
[/QUOTE]

Christ did this. Not me. Not you. We are cleansed from all sin as far as God is concerned.
But we still have to understand it and walk in it.
You are right. I just wanted to make shure that you understand that, there are things that we as Christians have to understand better and get better at.
We have it but we still have to use it..

 

[Hopeful]

Christ did this. Not me. Not you. We are cleansed from all sin as far as God is concerned.
But we still have to understand it and walk in it.
You are right. I just wanted to make sure that you understand that, there are things that we as Christians have to understand better and get better at.
We have it but we still have to use it..

Sure, we will grow in grace and knowledge as we continue on in the grace of God.
But we are not of those who "draw back into perdition".

 

[Link1983]

Not to make us sin less but to free us from sin. Through Him.
Big difference!
Thank God for that!

 

[Link1983]

Sure, we will grow in grace and knowledge as we continue on in the grace of God.
But we are not of those who "draw back into perdition".

We are most definitely not! Amen!
Just stand strong in Him. Without Him we can do nothing. (Quote)

 

[Serving Zion]

The goal is for us to become complete in the perfection of the human form (Ephesians 4:15), the image of God. God is love, so the perfection of the human form is a vessel of God's love. Love is a spirit: an attitude and behaviour, which is distinct from knowledge, because knowledge is understanding and information. So a person is made new in the spirit through the sanctifying grace of God when they decide to receive His judgment and to repent. But although they are therefore redeemed from the slave owner (Romans 7:14, Romans 6:16, Genesis 4:7), their beliefs and customs have not instantly changed (although it is true that The Holy Spirit instantly begins changing their sense of taste, which explains how habits and sexual deviances are broken).

Therefore Romans 12:2 says we should be transformed (into the likeness of Christ) by the renewing of the mind. It says precisely that the mind, when it is new, is godly and that the world would have us conform to it's way of thinking instead. That's why Jesus said that we must become again as a little child - being pure and innocent in thought, having no interest in the depraved conduct that belongs to the realm of the fallen. And it is natural that as we begin to walk in newness of life, we will be inclined to still behave in the pattern of the former habits until The Lord leads us to learn that indeed it is contrary to holiness. That is what distinguishes the ones who walk in the light from the ones who, though having believed some Christian ideas, have not remained in the light.

When James says the quarrels and conflicts come from the flesh putting us at war with one another, he says it is because we desire to have a thing for our own pleasure - and nobody who does the work of God is doing war with their brothers (1 John 3:15), because "love does no harm to a neighbour" and "love does not seek to serve itself" (1 Corinthians 13).

Therefore just as a child may sometimes do a thing that is wrong, yet when it is brought to light by a spirit of love, he confesses and genuinely seeks to learn, thereby growing more righteous through humbleness. I do not say that is sin though, because sin is characterised by obstinence: a determined course of wrongness despite having no excuse. "Whoever knows the good he should do, but does not do it: to him it is sin" (James 4:17).

This is how Hebrews 10:14 says that we are made perfect forever by the one sacrifice: if we are indeed (being of the state of) sanctified.

 

[Who Me]

God is more interested in our intention than the consequence of our intention.
He doesn't care if we win or not. its how we play the game.

Yes and no.
He does care how we live our lives, sin, will sin whether stealing a paper clip from work or a billion dollars that is still sin
and an offence to /against God that cost his son his life.

 

[Who Me]

The bible, and Jesus Christ, make it very clear we need no longer be in bondage to sin.
Sinners can become ex-sinners.
Thanks to the grace of God and the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Sinner=slave to Satan yes we are no longer Satan's slave, we are however living in bodies and with minds corrupted by sin, Jesus has forgiven us, washed us etc, we are being remade but that is a process that will be imported only when we are in heaven.
Untill then, no temptation has ceased you except that which is common to man and when you are tempted the Lord will always supply away out. 1 for 10:13 miss quoted, but two things about it, if God provides a way of baring up under temptation, it follows we can and will fall.
Secondly that way out only works if we are prepared to resist temptation.

If we are honest we all rarely resist every temptation, we all fall into sin at some point.