ONE EDUCATED PERSPECTIVE ON "WHO IS SATAN?"

[jeremiah1five]

Thanks for this comment ! Yes a divine fire , after all what other kind of fire could torment a spirit .
And yet that is what Jesus said was happening and the rich man said " I am tormented in the flame " .
Do you not believe Jesus ?

I don't see this "fire" as the method of the unatoned person's judgment.
If Paul says "O death where is thy sting" then that means something. It must "sting" when a person dies. But this must be speaking about the person that doesn't know Christ and their sin is unatoned because it also says the beggar was comforted being in Abraham's Bosom (just as John rested on the bosom of Christ in the gospel of John) which means there is comfort to be in God's presence and a 'sting' to not be in God's presence. This is not unreasonable.

The fire is doing the tormenting . Jesus was the one speaking .

Paul said, "O death where is thy sting" relating that the believer does not experience this "sting" because of His relation with Christ.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Cor. 15:57.

Would it be wise to ignore what Paul said about a "sting" in death? This is not ambiguous. There is something to understand with regard to the Holy Spirit revealing that in death there is a "sting." Considering this "sting" for all eternity I conclude that in "time" it may feel like a "flame" or "fire."

The grave is not mentioned . The rich man "was buried and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments" . The rich man was in hell .

And "hell" is the grave.

Have you jeremiah1five had any fire science training ? I have taken an accredited 160 hour firefighting course that included fire science .

Good for you. You're a hero just like all the other first-responders even if you may not have fought a fire. If the Lord has allowed you this knowledge and experience, I'm sure He will use it.

jeremiah1five , you did not tell me what the fuel source was for the pillar of fire , why not ? Have I stumped you ?
You are concerned about the fire in hell needing a source .

When you close your eyes and consider what God may 'look' like what do you see? Most people I ask say "I see God as a light" and that is true. But they also say in their closed eyes see darkness surrounding the light. The only person I know who saw God as true light without shades of darkness surrounding the light is Paul. When people are blinded, they see darkness. But in Paul's blindness he saw light and no darkness surrounding the light.
I am saying that in God's existence there is only Him, the Son, and Spirit. Nothing else is there. Not even "heaven" for I believe heaven is not a place, but a Person. Only God is Eternal. And God does not create anything that possesses His Nature of Eternalness. Not even man. And if God created man holy or righteous or sinless these are the Nature and Attributes of God and Scripture says God does not give His glory to anyone. So, what is the make-up of the created man? If he was created holy or righteous or sinless then to stand blameless before God by which everything and everyone is judged against, he would have to possess ALL the Nature and Deific Attributes of God, or he will fall short of God's glory. This is not unreasonable. Nor is my claim that God created man sinful. Jesus said a person is "condemned already" who does not believe. Knowing the Immutability of God tells me He does not make mistakes or changes His mind in any situation. Yes, and I know you will say "God repented at creating man", etc., but that can be explained too.
If a person has a sin nature and God does not save that person and apply the atonement to that person, then that person is "condemned already" and will die just like the rich man. At death it will sting.
If at the moment of death it begins to sting I got news for you...
You're not in Kansas anymore.

 

[hawkman]

1 Corinthians 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

O jeremiah1five where is thy answers to my questions ? O jeremiah1five is it your victory to not answer my questions ?

 

[jeremiah1five]

1 Corinthians 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

O jeremiah1five where is thy answers to my questions ? O jeremiah1five is it your victory to not answer my questions ?

I answered it if you asked me about "fuel source."

 

[hawkman]

Here is the comment that got us started on the quest for fuel source .

Fire is particular to this universe and existence. There must be combustible material, an accelerant, and oxygen, etc., for a fire to exist.

God places a pillar of fire in this existence , so here is the question again .

@jeremiah1five , what was the fuel for this pillar of fire ?

Are you saying God is the source of the fire ?

God's Presence in the material universe was to exist in this world as cloud and fire.

God chose to communicate His veiled Presence before Israel as smoke and fire for His purpose of guiding Israel through the desert.

I answered it if you asked me about "fuel source."

 

[Randy]

The word "devil" is an adjective. It means "traducer" or "false accuser" or "someone who impugns the character of another" depending on the context in which it is being used.
Submit to God and resist being a liar. When you submit to God sincerely the impulse to lie disappears (but it will come back in the future.)

So, the Pharisees were able to cast out "demons"?
And who is "Beelzebub?"

They clearly believed in demons. They stated Beelzebub was the prince of demons. I don't know if they were able to drive out demons. I do know Jesus was able to by the Spirit of God and His accusers, by stating Jesus did such works by an evil spirit, were guilty of blaspheming the Holy Spirit which Jesus stated would never be forgiven.

Jesus was tempted by the devil and those temptations ended with Jesus stating to Satan to get away from Him.

 

[Randy]

The word "devil" is an adjective. It means "traducer" or "false accuser" or "someone who impugns the character of another" depending on the context in which it is being used.
Submit to God and resist being a liar. When you submit to God sincerely the impulse to lie disappears (but it will come back in the future.)

So, the Pharisees were able to cast out "demons"?
And who is "Beelzebub?"

Your questions are irrelevant. I didn't write this NT testimony. Do you believe the testimony or not?

 

[Mr. G Lee]

Who is the author of the vision that the writers of Bible share with us ? I am not sure Mr D knows .

Let me see here , we have the Apostles , you know the hand picked ones of Jesus . And they are writing the word of God inspired by the Holy Spirit when they say all these things about satan .

I believe what the apostles wrote in their description of satan , why wouldn't I !

Mr. D go sharpen your pick and shovel and go back to the dirt .

Maybe jeremiah1five you and Mr. D can get together and sing a chorus or two of a Jerry Garcia song .

Amen the apostles when inspired or moved by the thoughts of God . Not apostolic inspired doctrine called a law of the fathers. By thier oral laws they made the word of God without effect. In that way No man can serve two good teaching masters coming from one Lord of lords

The apostles or all believers as the new kingdom of priests sent out two by two can plant the incorruptible born again seed and another Bible believer preach the water of the word the gospel .But they are considered as nothing God will not share his glory with dying flesh of mankind under his judgment death .

Christ our Lord and God the one with power to raise must alone do the works. Many venerate them as if God was served by human hands as a eternal will.

1 Corinthians 3:4-5 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour

To each his own two walking in agreement to one . . .God

 

[jeremiah1five]

Here is the comment that got us started on the quest for fuel source .

God places a pillar of fire in this existence , so here is the question again .

Are you saying God is the source of the fire ?

In TIME God is the fire and cloud. It describes His Presence in veiled existence on earth. This was also His chosen mode of veiling Himself in the Tabernacle and the Temple.
But in glory there will no longer be any veil. No fire or smoke.
We will see Him face to face in the Person of Christ.

 

[jeremiah1five]

They clearly believed in demons. They stated Beelzebub was the prince of demons. I don't know if they were able to drive out demons. I do know Jesus was able to by the Spirit of God and His accusers, by stating Jesus did such works by an evil spirit, were guilty of blaspheming the Holy Spirit which Jesus stated would never be forgiven.

Jesus was tempted by the devil and those temptations ended with Jesus stating to Satan to get away from Him.

Did you read the history in my original submission?
There were no "demons" the way the Gentile Church believes them to be today in the Old Testament.
If there's no precent in the Old Testament, then there is no reality in the New Testament.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Your questions are irrelevant. I didn't write this NT testimony. Do you believe the testimony or not?

Do you accept that in the Old Testament there is no evidence of "demons" and that "demons are a Gentile Church invention?
If there's no precedent in the Old Testament, then there is no reality in the New Testament.
"Demons" are the evil attitudes of the mind in people. You can't see them, but you can feel the power that exudes from the mind. Jesus had to subdue the mind of those He ministered to that had such mental sickness.
Christ healed people with physical infirmities and illness and sickness and deformities.
But can you find me any passage in the NT in which He healed a mental illness or sickness? What? People didn't have mental conditions in the first century.
Maybe Jesus ignored these people. Maybe He just didn't want to be troubled by these people. Well, I've found these passages where Jesus healed mental conditions.
Mark 5 is one instance.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Amen the apostles when inspired or moved by the thoughts of God . Not apostolic inspired doctrine called a law of the fathers. By thier oral laws they made the word of God without effect. In that way No man can serve two good teaching masters coming from one Lord of lords

The apostles or all believers as the new kingdom of priests sent out two by two can plant the incorruptible born again seed and another Bible believer preach the water of the word the gospel .But they are considered as nothing God will not share his glory with dying flesh of mankind under his judgment death .

Christ our Lord and God the one with power to raise must alone do the works. Many venerate them as if God was served by human hands as a eternal will.

1 Corinthians 3:4-5 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour

To each his own two walking in agreement to one . . .God

Christ was the fulfillment of those "laws of [our] father's and it was the Old Testament Scriptures that were used to teach Jewish Christians that began the NT Church, which is a continuation of the Old Testament Church began in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle. They were called the "Great Congregation" in the Old Testament.
Jews began the New Testament Church. They populated the churches Paul, James, John, Peter, Mark, Matthew, Jude, and Luke wrote to in their gospels and letters. The whole writings of the New Testament are written to Jewish believers in Christ.

 

[Randy]

Do you accept that in the Old Testament there is no evidence of "demons" and that "demons are a Gentile Church invention?
If there's no precedent in the Old Testament, then there is no reality in the New Testament.
"Demons" are the evil attitudes of the mind in people. You can't see them, but you can feel the power that exudes from the mind. Jesus had to subdue the mind of those He ministered to that had such mental sickness.
Christ healed people with physical infirmities and illness and sickness and deformities.
But can you find me any passage in the NT in which He healed a mental illness or sickness? What? People didn't have mental conditions in the first century.
Maybe Jesus ignored these people. Maybe He just didn't want to be troubled by these people. Well, I've found these passages where Jesus healed mental conditions.
Mark 5 is one instance.

Your questions are irrelevant and demonstrate unbelief in the NT testimony. I believe in fallen angels and satan. The enemies of God who lead the whole world astray.

For our struggle is not against enemies of blood and flesh, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers of this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.

 

[Mr. G Lee]

Christ was the fulfillment of those "laws of [our] father's and it was the Old Testament Scriptures that were used to teach Jewish Christians that began the NT Church, which is a continuation of the Old Testament Church began in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle. They were called the "Great Congregation" in the Old Testament.
Jews began the New Testament Church. They populated the churches Paul, James, John, Peter, Mark, Matthew, Jude, and Luke wrote to in their gospels and letters. The whole writings of the New Testament are written to Jewish believers in Christ.

I see that a little different. The bride of Christ the church made up of manly lively stones is not know by outward appearance. What we are as sons of God new creatures is not what will be . The old things of the corrupted fleshly world will not be remembered or ever come to mind

She began as reckoned as the second born to represent our new born again spirit of faith .
Abel the first apostle martyr. His blood like the blood of all saints longs to be clothed with the eternal power of Christ's faith .

Abraham meaning "the father of all the nations as families of the world". The first called out as a whole nation.
The believers were waiting for hundred years for the I Am .

Israel to represent all the nations not there own nation only

God changed her name from Israel to Christian in Acts the time of reformation had come .

Christian a demonym ... people know by location . Literally meaning residents of the city of Christ prepared for the bride a more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations of the world

 

[jeremiah1five]

Your questions are irrelevant and demonstrate unbelief in the NT testimony. I believe in fallen angels and satan. The enemies of God who lead the whole world astray.

Quite the contrary according to Peter and Jude who say the angels that sinned are locked up awaiting judgment:

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2 Peter 2:4.

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude 5–6.

For our struggle is not against enemies of blood and flesh, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers of this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

Notice that these are "of this world."

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Eph. 6:12.

This refers to man and men. The angels that sinned are locked up awaiting judgment.

He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.

The word "devil" is an adjective. It means "traducer" and false accuser" and "liar [Strong's]. It is not a noun or pronoun or personal pronoun, meaning you can't make an adjective a person.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I see that a little different. The bride of Christ the church made up of manly lively stones is not know by outward appearance. What we are as sons of God new creatures is not what will be . The old things of the corrupted fleshly world will not be remembered or ever come to mind

First, the Word of God is written to believers ONLY.
Second, those believers God wrote to are Jewish believers in Christ their Messiah. That is the original context of God's written Word. To Jews. They hold the covenant and Jesus hailed from the tribe of Judah from which we get the descriptive "Jew."
Jesus was a Jewish Messiah promised to them through the Abrahamic Covenant and prophets God sent to His people Israel through the centuries. They are the 'lively stones,' they are the Church, or "Great Congregation" described in Scripture at the time of the Tabernacle in the desert. Over 3 million Jews were delivered by God through Moses. They are the Bride of Christ for whom He died. They are the people God is betrothed to.
And as a people of God and in their Scriptures the concept of "Satan" is different than what the Gentile Church believes today. "Satan" has also been descriptive of men. It is merely a word that means "adversary."

She began as reckoned as the second born to represent our new born again spirit of faith .
Abel the first apostle martyr. His blood like the blood of all saints longs to be clothed with the eternal power of Christ's faith .

OK.

Abraham meaning "the father of all the nations as families of the world". The first called out as a whole nation.
The believers were waiting for hundred years for the I Am .

Israel was waiting for their I AM to fulfill His Promise to send a Deliverer and He did in the Person of Jesus Christ. He is the fulfillment of their covenant and prophecies, He is their Messiah.

Israel to represent all the nations not there own nation only

Israel is to be a light to Gentiles not represent them.

God changed her name from Israel to Christian in Acts the time of reformation had come .

Who are you talking about?

Christian a demonym ... people know by location . Literally meaning residents of the city of Christ prepared for the bride a more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations of the world

God is betrothed to Israel for an everlasting covenant. Israel is the Bride of Christ.
Israel is the Church.
God made no covenant with Gentiles. Gentiles are grafted into the natural branches and the natural branches are Israel (Rom. 11.)
At the Marriage Supper Israel is there through covenant. Gentiles are there by invitation.

 

[Mr. G Lee]

Your questions are irrelevant and demonstrate unbelief in the NT testimony. I believe in fallen angels and satan. The enemies of God who lead the whole world astray.

For our struggle is not against enemies of blood and flesh, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers of this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.

The enemy of God (One) is lucifer the false light.

Because the one spirit as the father of all lies of lies works in many he is called legion (as many as one can imagine can fit on the tip of a needle.... the sky's the limit),

1 John 2 informs us of the antichrists (another teaching authority). False prophets, false apostles influenced by the god of this world or called the man of sin. Satan the legion needs created human form to deceive.
would emphasize the work of one antichrist deceiving many the whole world ... many antichrists
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2 also informs us many antichrists ( Plural) workers needed in deceive. . . they where there already...a warning that we need a mankind to seduce us teach a man seen most teach (antichrists).

1 John 2:26-27 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Peter the perfect example of one of the many anti-christs who were there ..

There Satan through a lying wonder put words on Peter heart. Peter than rebuked the lord of glory prevented him from empowering Jesus the Son of man in order to do the will of the unseen father

Then our living God gave words to his prophet Jesus in order for the Holy Spirit to rebuke legion. The son of jesu man had no power of his own to rebuke or raise mankind to new life .

In effect God when rebuking the spirit of error . . . . said walk by faith after the unseen eternal things of God not after the temporal corruptible seen.

Mathew 16: 22-23 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him,(Jesus) saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, (having been given words ) Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the son of man. Blasphemy against the Father the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness

Today many are still looking for the man of sin . ..in a false anticipation as a lying sign to wonder after . . There are a legion of false prophets false apostles today

 

[jeremiah1five]

The enemy of God (One) is lucifer the false light.

Because the one spirit as the father of all lies of lies works in many he is called legion (as many as one can imagine can fit on the tip of a needle.... the sky's the limit),

1 John 2 informs us of the antichrists (another teaching authority). False prophets, false apostles influenced by the god of this world or called the man of sin. Satan the legion needs created human form to deceive.
would emphasize the work of one antichrist deceiving many the whole world ... many antichrists
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2 also informs us many antichrists ( Plural) workers needed in deceive. . . they where there already...a warning that we need a mankind to seduce us teach a man seen most teach (antichrists).

1 John 2:26-27 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Peter the perfect example of one of the many anti-christs who were there ..

There Satan through a lying wonder put words on Peter heart. Peter than rebuked the lord of glory prevented him from empowering Jesus the Son of man in order to do the will of the unseen father

Then our living God gave words to his prophet Jesus in order for the Holy Spirit to rebuke legion. The son of jesu man had no power of his own to rebuke or raise mankind to new life .

In effect God when rebuking the spirit of error . . . . said walk by faith after the unseen eternal things of God not after the temporal corruptible seen.

Mathew 16: 22-23 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him,(Jesus) saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, (having been given words ) Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the son of man. Blasphemy against the Father the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness

Today many are still looking for the man of sin . ..in a false anticipation as a lying sign to wonder after . . There are a legion of false prophets false apostles today

Your theology is all mixed up. No cohesions, no foundation just a jumble of ideas that have no real biblical basis because you mix it all up and out pops confusion.

 

[hawkman]

Do you accept that in the Old Testament there is no evidence of "demons" and that "demons are a Gentile Church invention?

A doctrine of there are no demons IS a doctrine of demons !

NO ! I will never accept any such thing ! My reason , I can read the bible and understand what a "familiar spirit " is .

Familiar Spirit , Devil , Demon , Evil Spirit

Leviticus 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 20:6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

Leviticus 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

Deuteronomy 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

1 Samuel 28:3 Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel had lamented him, and buried him in Ramah, even in his own city. And Saul had put away those that had familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land.

1 Samuel 28:7 Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and inquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.

1 Samuel 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee.

1 Samuel 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?

2 Kings 21:6 And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

2 Kings 23:24 Moreover the workers with familiar spirits, and the wizards, and the images, and the idols, and all the abominations that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away, that he might perform the words of the law which were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the LORD.

1 Chronicles 10:13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;

2 Chronicles 33:6 And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

Isaiah 19:3 And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards.

Isaiah 29:4 And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust.

 

[GodsGrace]

Your theology is all mixed up. No cohesions, no foundation just a jumble of ideas that have no real biblical basis because you mix it all up and out pops confusion.

PLEASE REMEMBER THAT YOU'RE IN THE THEOLOGY FORUM.

RESPOND TO THE TOPIC WITH NO PERSONAL REMARKS.

USE SCRIPTURE TO SUPPORT YOUR POSITION AS THE OTHER MEMBER DID.

DO NOT REPLY TO THIS POST IN THIS THREAD.
USE TALK WITH STAFF IF NECESSARY.

 

[Mr. G Lee]

First, the Word of God is written to believers ONLY.
Second, those believers God wrote to are Jewish believers in Christ their Messiah. That is the original context of God's written Word. To Jews. They hold the covenant and Jesus hailed from the tribe of Judah from which we get the descriptive "Jew."
Jesus was a Jewish Messiah promised to them through the Abrahamic Covenant and prophets God sent to His people Israel through the centuries. They are the 'lively stones,' they are the Church, or "Great Congregation" described in Scripture at the time of the Tabernacle in the desert. Over 3 million Jews were delivered by God through Moses. They are the Bride of Christ for whom He died. They are the people God is betrothed to.
And as a people of God and in their Scriptures the concept of "Satan" is different than what the Gentile Church believes today. "Satan" has also been descriptive of men. It is merely a word that means "adversary."

Yes believers only. The word Jew in respect to born again member as the one bride is not reckoned after the flesh of a outward Jew. As new born aging creature we are no longer considered male nor female Jew nor gentile walk by faith the unseen eternal

Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

The flesh of a Jew was used to represent all the nations of the world under the spiritual unseen seed Christ(one not many after the flesh . Abram before he was born agin Abram the exalted father of one family. . made up of two nations as a family His Father a hittite and mother a amorite

Ezekiel 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.

Your theology is all mixed up. No cohesions, no foundation just a jumble of ideas that have no real biblical basis because you mix it all up and out pops confusion.

Sorry for your confusion .Satan the author. He hates parables they expose his dark ways

No mixing no gospel rest . parables designed by God teach us how to walk after our unseen eternal Holy God .

Hebrews 4:1-2 King James Version Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Dig a little search for as silver or gold it won't change the outcome the simplicity of the gospel just a little richer, green grass still living water richer . . be careful on how you hear by it we will be judged or evaluated as believers.