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The book of Galatians.....

The books of Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, and Colossians form a cluster of Epistles which make up the heart of the divine revelation in the New Testament. Therefore, these books are very important. Ephesians covers the church as the Body of Christ, whereas Colossians deals with Christ as the Head of the Body. Galatians is concerned with Christ, and Philippians, with the experience of Christ. In Colossians and Ephesians we receive a clear view of the Head and the Body. In Galatians and Philippians we see Christ and the experience of Christ.

Just as there are four seasons in the year, so there are seasons in our Christian experience. This means that in our experience with the Lord we pass through winter as well as summer. The winter experiences are helpful, for they prepare us for a new beginning, which comes in the spring. During the winter season the various kinds of life are reduced. Through the reduction that takes place in winter, life is prepared to grow again. Because in our spiritual experience there is the need for us to be reduced, we must be ready for winter at the appointed time. We may say that Galatians is a winter book, a book that reduces us and eliminates everything that should not be permanent. However, this reduction serves a very positive purpose: it prepares us for further growth in life.

We all need to be reduced. We need to be reduced not only in things that are natural or worldly, but even in the various aspects of our spiritual experience. For the sake of further growth in the Lord, we need to be reduced. Certain things in our Christian life may be very good, scriptural, and spiritual. But as long as these things are not Christ Himself directly, they should not be given a place with us very long. Only Christ Himself should have a permanent place in our Christian life. All other things, even the most spiritual experiences, must be reduced. In order for this reduction to take place, God ordains winter. We should never expect to have an endless summer in the Christian life. On the contrary, we should expect the recurring cycle of spring, summer, autumn, and winter. Whenever we come to a winter in our experience with the Lord, we should be encouraged that spring and summer will follow in due time. Therefore, we should be encouraged to be reduced in order to have another new beginning. It is my hope that these messages on Galatians will serve this purpose.

(Excerpt taken from The Life Study of the Book of Galatians.)



A major undoing in our Christian walk is our unwillingness to allow the Lord to reduce us. Yet, it is the way, the principle, the worked out wisdom by which God accomplishes what He desires in each of us.

The SDA institution, as well as other denominated so-called Christian institutions, have taken an anti-reduction stand against the work of God. And this wickedness is clearly exposed in the resulting division that is seen throughout the apostate walls of man-made Christianity.

God's work issues in God expressed,...... and God is one.

This is not to say that the believers who are within these walls are not saved, as a man's salvation can occur in any sinful environment. But it is to say that the working out of the salvation of those within the walls is severely limited, though not for all, as in the book of Revelation we find situations whereby the Lord can gain overcoming believers even from within these apostate environments.

The Lord's mercy and grace know no limitation.

But back to the matter of the undoing...... ministry, or lack of ministry is the reason.

Paul, the apostle who was given the COMPLETING MINISTRY by God, declares to us that he (meaning more importantly, his ministry) was abandoned by most of the known Church at that time. And the issue of this apostasy/falling away from Paul's ministry, which is to say, falling away from God's completing ministry, is continuing today...... hence apostate institutions such as the SDA.

And don't for a moment attempt to sugar-coat it..... the SDA is an apostate institution, teaching that which is against Christ snd His building up of the Church.

Satan since the beginning has used the method of the counterfeit as a way of moving man away from God. And his attempts at this take on all sorts of outward appearances.

"Did God not say?"........ "If You are the Son of God, cast Yourself down; for it is written,.....''

Satan has no problem is using God's words against God. And Satan has no problem preaching Jesus in a way that will never bring a man to the fullness of Christ.

And this is what the lack of Paul's ministry results in, a believer never being completed, a believer never being perfected and brought to the fullnes of God in Christ in this life.

And if there is no group of believers expressing God on this earth, then where is the built-up Church that our Lord declared He would build?

What sort of bride do you think the Bridegroom is returning for,.... a divided, immature, anemic (oil-starved) bride? I think not, for if the Father knew how to prepare Rebecca for Isaac, would He not do at least the same for His beloved Son?

The majority of believers today, suffer because they have very little light regarding Paul's completing ministry of God.


The other day I ask a believer of over 30 years if he knew that we could hasten the Lord's return, he told me he didn't. Yet, he is in the word daily.

2 Peter 3:12

"Expecting and hastening the coming of the day of God, on account of which the heavens, being on fire, will be dissolved, and the elements, burning with intense heat, are to be melted away?"

Paul's ministry, worked out in believers, is the only way that our Lord's return will be hastened.

Satan knows this, therefore, even though his judgement has been declared, he also knows that he can delay the execution of this judgement by delaying the Lord's return. Hence, his utmost effort is found in the keeping of believers away from the ministry of Paul. For Paul's ministry worked out in believers brings in the execution of God's judgement over Satan.


And so, we have many groups of saints who have been deceived by God's adversary, and brought into the prisons of false teachings, of which the SDA is only one of these many.


In love,
cj
 
Free said:
Gal 5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

I have suggested in the past that Jay T read all of Galatians. I don't think he has.
Is it because I understand that there is no contadictions in scripture ?

By that I mean.....
Jesus Christ said: "IF..you love me, keep my commandments", (John 14:15).

You have implied that keeping the Law separates, a person from Jesus Christ, which only goes to show you have not harmonized 'all' scripture, yet.

The book of Galations [does not] contadict what is written elsewhere !

I understand what Galations says, because I know which Law Paul was refering to.

And, until one understands the difference between the Law of Moses, and the 10 commandments which Christ wrote on Mt Sinai.....one [cannot] fully understand, what Paul is referring to in Galations.
 
Jay T said:
Free said:
Gal 5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

I have suggested in the past that Jay T read all of Galatians. I don't think he has.
Is it because I understand that there is no contadictions in scripture ?

By that I mean.....
Jesus Christ said: "IF..you love me, keep my commandments", (John 14:15).

You have implied that keeping the Law separates, a person from Jesus Christ, which only goes to show you have not harmonized 'all' scripture, yet.

The book of Galations [does not] contadict what is written elsewhere !

I understand what Galations says, because I know which Law Paul was refering to.

And, until one understands the difference between the Law of Moses, and the 10 commandments which Christ wrote on Mt Sinai.....one [cannot] fully understand, what Paul is referring to in Galations.
The point wasn't which of the commandments given Israel to keep- the point Paul was making is clear ..." you who would be justified by the Law " (or the keeping thereof).

You note also Christ's imperative to keep HIS commandments (ie, the gospel): love. The imperative is not justification, nor is it the gilded nature of the decalogue. Our motiv for keeping His commandments is love.

The basis of your argument has been on Pelagian grounds- as was the argument of your prophetess, who condemned Rome on the basis of their not keeping a commandment as she saw fit.

You appear as stand-ins for the Pharisees, who were arguing against healing on the Sabbath. Jesus made it clear that there are higher principles than rigorist adherence to time sequence.
 
Jay T said:
I understand what Galations says, because I know which Law Paul was refering to.

And, until one understands the difference between the Law of Moses, and the 10 commandments which Christ wrote on Mt Sinai.....one [cannot] fully understand, what Paul is referring to in Galations.
Apparently you are the only one I know of that draws such a distinction between these apparently two different Laws. You are also the only one who seems to have the inside scoop on which of these supposedly two different Laws Paul is referring to.

The problem is that there is only one Law. I put this to you a little while back and you never replied to my arguments but continued on posting yours. You are making a false distinction and twisting Scripture to fit your erroneous theology.

As Orthodox Christian pointed out, it doesn't even matter which Law you think Paul is referring to, he is clearly stating that if you think you are justified by any Law, you are in error, "you have fallen away from grace".
 
Free said:
Jay T said:
I understand what Galations says, because I know which Law Paul was refering to.

And, until one understands the difference between the Law of Moses, and the 10 commandments which Christ wrote on Mt Sinai.....one [cannot] fully understand, what Paul is referring to in Galations.
Apparently you are the only one I know of that draws such a distinction between these apparently two different Laws. You are also the only one who seems to have the inside scoop on which of these supposedly two different Laws Paul is referring to.
The problem is that there is only one Law. I put this to you a little while back and you never replied to my arguments but continued on posting yours. You are making a false distinction and twisting Scripture to fit your erroneous theology.
LAW of GOD....(spoken by God Himself)....Exodus 20:1,22.
Law of Moses... (spoken by Moses)...Exodus 24:3.
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LAW of GOD....Was written by God's finger....Exodus 31:18 & 32:16.
Law of Moses....wtritten by Moses ......Exodus 24:4, Deut. 31:9.
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LAW of GOD....On stone.....Exodus 31:18.
Law of Moses.... in a book....Ex. 24:4,7 & Duet. 31:24.
******************************************
LAW of GOD.....Handed by God, its writer, to Moses....Ex. 31:18
Law of Moses.....handed by Moses, its writer, to Levites....Duet. 31:25,26.
****************************************************
LAW of GOD.....placed 'inside' the Ark....Duet. 10:5.

Law of Moses....'outside' the Ark (on the side of it).....Duet. 31:26.
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LAW of GOD.....deals with moral concepts.....Exodus 20:3-17.
Law of Moses.....deals with ceremonial, ritual matter (Passover sabbath, Feats of Unleaven Bread sabbath, Sacrificial system, ect.).....Exodus, Leviticis, Numbers, Deuteronomy.
*****************************************************
LAW of GOD.....reveals sin...Romans 7:7 & 1 John 3:4.
Law of Moses....precribes offerings, for sins committed.....Book of Leviticus.
*******************************************************
LAW of GOD....Breaking of LAW is sin.....1 John 3:4 & Romans 7:7.
Law of Moses....No sin in breaking (abolished, Ephesians 2:15 & Colossians 2:14-16).
("Where no law is, there is no transgression", Romans 4:15).

**************************************************
LAW of GOD....Christians should keep.....James 2:10-12 & Revelation 14:12, 12:17.
Law of Moses....Apostles gave no such command to keep....Acts 15:24.
*******************************************************
LAW of GOD....Judgment by it in the Day of God's Judgment......Ecclesiastes 12:13,14 & James 2:10-12.
Law of Moses....Not to be Judged by it.....Colossians 2:16
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LAW of GOD.....Christian who keeps this Law is blessed in his deed.....Romans 2:13 & James 1:25.
Law of Moses....Christian who keeps this law is 'not' blessed....Galations 5:1-6.
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LAW of GOD....Paul said: "I delight in the Law of God....Romans 7:22.
Law of Moses.....Paul calls this law, a 'yoke' of bondage'....Galations 5:1 & Acts 15:10.
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LAW of GOD......Established by faith in Christ.....Romans 3:31.
Law of Moses...abolished by Christ....Ephesians 2:15.
**********************************************************
LAW of GOD....Christ was to magnify the Law and make it honorable....Isaiah 42:21
Law of Moses....'Blotted out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us'....Colossians 2:14.
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LAW of GOD...."We know that the Law is spiritual", Romans 7:14.
Law of Moses....."The law of carnal commandments", Hebrews 7:16.
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[quote:86417]

As Orthodox Christian pointed out, it doesn't even matter which Law you think Paul is referring to, he is clearly stating that if you think you are justified by any Law, you are in error, "you have fallen away from grace".
[/quote:86417]Is this Bible verse in error also ? 1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

REMEMBER.......Christ is the one who wrote, the 10 commandments on Mt Sinai, OK ?
 
Two questions:

1. Who wrote the Bible?
2. Do you consider the Bible God's Word?
 
John wonders? It surely is alright if one admits that they are wrong, is it not?? Which of the two post require this?? :(
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quote="Free"]Jay T wrote:
I understand what Galations says, because I know which Law Paul was refering to.

And, until one understands the difference between the Law of Moses, and the 10 commandments which Christ wrote on Mt Sinai.....one [cannot] fully understand, what Paul is referring to in Galations.

Apparently you are the only one I know of that draws such a distinction between these apparently two different Laws. You are also the only one who seems to have the inside scoop on which of these supposedly two different Laws Paul is referring to.
Quote:

The problem is that there is only one Law. I put this to you a little while back and you never replied to my arguments but continued on posting yours. You are making a false distinction and twisting Scripture to fit your erroneous theology.

LAW of GOD....(spoken by God Himself)....Exodus 20:1,22.
Law of Moses... (spoken by Moses)...Exodus 24:3.
**********************************
LAW of GOD....Was written by God's finger....Exodus 31:18 & 32:16.
Law of Moses....wtritten by Moses ......Exodus 24:4, Deut. 31:9.
****************************************
LAW of GOD....On stone.....Exodus 31:18.
Law of Moses.... in a book....Ex. 24:4,7 & Duet. 31:24.
******************************************
LAW of GOD.....Handed by God, its writer, to Moses....Ex. 31:18
Law of Moses.....handed by Moses, its writer, to Levites....Duet. 31:25,26.
****************************************************
LAW of GOD.....placed 'inside' the Ark....Duet. 10:5.
Law of Moses....'outside' the Ark (on the side of it).....Duet. 31:26.
**********************************************
LAW of GOD.....deals with moral concepts.....Exodus 20:3-17.
Law of Moses.....deals with ceremonial, ritual matter (Passover sabbath, Feats of Unleaven Bread sabbath, Sacrificial system, ect.).....Exodus, Leviticis, Numbers, Deuteronomy.
*****************************************************
LAW of GOD.....reveals sin...Romans 7:7 & 1 John 3:4.
Law of Moses....precribes offerings, for sins committed.....Book of Leviticus.
*******************************************************
LAW of GOD....Breaking of LAW is sin.....1 John 3:4 & Romans 7:7.
Law of Moses....No sin in breaking (abolished, Ephesians 2:15 & Colossians 2:14-16).
("Where no law is, there is no transgression", Romans 4:15).

**************************************************
LAW of GOD....Christians should keep.....James 2:10-12 & Revelation 14:12, 12:17.
Law of Moses....Apostles gave no such command to keep....Acts 15:24.
*******************************************************
LAW of GOD....Judgment by it in the Day of God's Judgment......Ecclesiastes 12:13,14 & James 2:10-12.
Law of Moses....Not to be Judged by it.....Colossians 2:16
*********************************************************
LAW of GOD.....Christian who keeps this Law is blessed in his deed.....Romans 2:13 & James 1:25.
Law of Moses....Christian who keeps this law is 'not' blessed....Galations 5:1-6.
**********************************************************
LAW of GOD....Paul said: "I delight in the Law of God....Romans 7:22.
Law of Moses.....Paul calls this law, a 'yoke' of bondage'....Galatians 5:1 & Acts 15:10.
*************************************************************
LAW of GOD......Established by faith in Christ.....Romans 3:31.
Law of Moses...abolished by Christ....Ephesians 2:15.
**********************************************************
LAW of GOD....Christ was to magnify the Law and make it honorable....Isaiah 42:21
Law of Moses....'Blotted out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us'....Colossians 2:14.
************************************************************
LAW of GOD...."We know that the Law is spiritual", Romans 7:14.
Law of Moses....."The law of carnal commandments", Hebrews 7:16.
*********************************************************
 
What is up??

HELP!

How about deleting about three of these? Where did the delete go? And what is happening??? :( Maybe 'i' need a new browser?
---John
 
Re: What is up??

John the Baptist said:
HELP!

How about deleting about three of these? Where did the delete go? And what is happening??? :( Maybe 'i' need a new browser?
---John

:lol: :lol: It's not you John, we have a glitch on the site that need to be addressed... :wink:
 
Re: What is up??

Judy said:
John the Baptist said:
HELP!

How about deleting about three of these? Where did the delete go? And what is happening??? :( Maybe 'i' need a new browser?
---John

:lol: :lol: It's not you John, we have a glitch on the site that need to be addressed... :wink:

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Wow! Thanks for Judy!! :fadein:
Both sad & glad huh? Will that 'repair' take care of my getting replys sent again too?

Well, tell Jay that I am off to Sabbath School today because I love my Master & His Lost ones of Matt. 10:5-6. (you know, to stay on the thread! ;-) see
Exodus 32:31-33)

---John[/b]
 
cj said:
The book of Galatians.....

The books of Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, and Colossians form a cluster of Epistles which make up the heart of the divine revelation in the New Testament. Therefore, these books are very important. Ephesians covers the church as the Body of Christ, whereas Colossians deals with Christ as the Head of the Body. Galatians is concerned with Christ, and Philippians, with the experience of Christ. In Colossians and Ephesians we receive a clear view of the Head and the Body. In Galatians and Philippians we see Christ and the experience of Christ.

Just as there are four seasons in the year, so there are seasons in our Christian experience. This means that in our experience with the Lord we pass through winter as well as summer. The winter experiences are helpful, for they prepare us for a new beginning, which comes in the spring. During the winter season the various kinds of life are reduced. Through the reduction that takes place in winter, life is prepared to grow again. Because in our spiritual experience there is the need for us to be reduced, we must be ready for winter at the appointed time. We may say that Galatians is a winter book, a book that reduces us and eliminates everything that should not be permanent. However, this reduction serves a very positive purpose: it prepares us for further growth in life.

We all need to be reduced. We need to be reduced not only in things that are natural or worldly, but even in the various aspects of our spiritual experience. For the sake of further growth in the Lord, we need to be reduced. Certain things in our Christian life may be very good, scriptural, and spiritual. But as long as these things are not Christ Himself directly, they should not be given a place with us very long. Only Christ Himself should have a permanent place in our Christian life. All other things, even the most spiritual experiences, must be reduced. In order for this reduction to take place, God ordains winter. We should never expect to have an endless summer in the Christian life. On the contrary, we should expect the recurring cycle of spring, summer, autumn, and winter. Whenever we come to a winter in our experience with the Lord, we should be encouraged that spring and summer will follow in due time. Therefore, we should be encouraged to be reduced in order to have another new beginning. It is my hope that these messages on Galatians will serve this purpose.

(Excerpt taken from The Life Study of the Book of Galatians.)



A major undoing in our Christian walk is our unwillingness to allow the Lord to reduce us. Yet, it is the way, the principle, the worked out wisdom by which God accomplishes what He desires in each of us.

The SDA institution, as well as other denominated so-called Christian institutions, have taken an anti-reduction stand against the work of God. And this wickedness is clearly exposed in the resulting division that is seen throughout the apostate walls of man-made Christianity.

God's work issues in God expressed,...... and God is one.

This is not to say that the believers who are within these walls are not saved, as a man's salvation can occur in any sinful environment. But it is to say that the working out of the salvation of those within the walls is severely limited, though not for all, as in the book of Revelation we find situations whereby the Lord can gain overcoming believers even from within these apostate environments.

The Lord's mercy and grace know no limitation.

But back to the matter of the undoing...... ministry, or lack of ministry is the reason.

Paul, the apostle who was given the COMPLETING MINISTRY by God, declares to us that he (meaning more importantly, his ministry) was abandoned by most of the known Church at that time. And the issue of this apostasy/falling away from Paul's ministry, which is to say, falling away from God's completing ministry, is continuing today...... hence apostate institutions such as the SDA.

And don't for a moment attempt to sugar-coat it..... the SDA is an apostate institution, teaching that which is against Christ snd His building up of the Church.

Satan since the beginning has used the method of the counterfeit as a way of moving man away from God. And his attempts at this take on all sorts of outward appearances.

"Did God not say?"........ "If You are the Son of God, cast Yourself down; for it is written,.....''

Satan has no problem is using God's words against God. And Satan has no problem preaching Jesus in a way that will never bring a man to the fullness of Christ.

And this is what the lack of Paul's ministry results in, a believer never being completed, a believer never being perfected and brought to the fullnes of God in Christ in this life.

And if there is no group of believers expressing God on this earth, then where is the built-up Church that our Lord declared He would build?

What sort of bride do you think the Bridegroom is returning for,.... a divided, immature, anemic (oil-starved) bride? I think not, for if the Father knew how to prepare Rebecca for Isaac, would He not do at least the same for His beloved Son?

The majority of believers today, suffer because they have very little light regarding Paul's completing ministry of God.


The other day I ask a believer of over 30 years if he knew that we could hasten the Lord's return, he told me he didn't. Yet, he is in the word daily.

2 Peter 3:12

"Expecting and hastening the coming of the day of God, on account of which the heavens, being on fire, will be dissolved, and the elements, burning with intense heat, are to be melted away?"

Paul's ministry, worked out in believers, is the only way that our Lord's return will be hastened.

Satan knows this, therefore, even though his judgement has been declared, he also knows that he can delay the execution of this judgement by delaying the Lord's return. Hence, his utmost effort is found in the keeping of believers away from the ministry of Paul. For Paul's ministry worked out in believers brings in the execution of God's judgement over Satan.


And so, we have many groups of saints who have been deceived by God's adversary, and brought into the prisons of false teachings, of which the SDA is only one of these many.


In love,
cj

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John here: What are you saying??? tell it like you would to the Master Himself.
 
John the Baptist said:
John here: What are you saying??? tell it like you would to the Master Himself.[/b][/color]

In the Master's presence I'd think it more prudent to just listen to Him speak.

Yet, are we not always in His presence.

In love,
cj
 
True!
But Jay t is right about the two church's though, that was the thread question right?

If one reads Revelation 3:7-17, they will find out quite a bit of information about the last two folds that are on the scene when 666 comes about.

And yes, surely there are many more 'folds' as seen in Revelation 17:5' abomination of the earth ones who are on the side lines, (just saw today where one fold now condones homosexual marriages by the church, huh?) but the two are the only ones that have VIRGIN DOCTRINES. So why waste time in guess work when one can really hear the Word spoken clearly? (that of Revelation 18:4)

---Elijah

PS: I can get notification from the site using Elijah, so will try it this way. :fadein:
 
Free said:
Two questions:

1. Who wrote the Bible?
Men whom God could trust, to write exactly what HE wanted people who read the Bible, need to know, in order to gain the victory over their present sinning, in order to gain eternal life:
B-Basic
I-Instructions
B-Before
L-Leaving
E-Earth
2. Do you consider the Bible God's Word?
ABSOLUTELY !

I don't believe that God contradicts Himself, as the modern Christian world thinks He does.

I believe that God makes absolutely NO MISTAKES !
 
I belong to the Church of Christ..you know, the one where Christ is the cheif cornerstone and we are the members of the body? It's not called "The roman Catholic" church...nor is it called the 'Seventh day adventist" church. It's just called 'the church' and I'm a member of this church.
 
Merry Menagerie said:
I belong to the Church of Christ..you know, the one where Christ is the cheif cornerstone and we are the members of the body? It's not called "The roman Catholic" church...nor is it called the 'Seventh day adventist" church. It's just called 'the church' and I'm a member of this church.
There's an old saw attributed often to Abe Lincoln:
If you were to refer to a puppy's tail a "leg," how many legs would that puppy have?

The answer is four:a thing, person or church is not what it is because of what it is called- but is what it is because of what it is and does.

BTW: The JWs make the same claim about their pedigree based upon whom they're named after - Jehovah (a bad Germanic transliteration of the tetragrammaton)
 
Even so...the tail belongs to the Dog and the Dog is in control. Therefore the church belongs to God and God is in control of it as well. I belong to the church that God is in control of and not man!
 
Merry Menagerie said:
Even so...the tail belongs to the Dog and the Dog is in control. Therefore the church belongs to God and God is in control of it as well. I belong to the church that God is in control of and not man!

MM, it is a very hard pill for OC to swallow, as the matter of headship is at the root of the apostate institutions.

Satan's ploy is to bring the saved believer out from under the headship of Christ into the counterfeit headship of men. In doing this, Satan effectively hinders the growth of God in these men, and thus hinders the building of the Church.

OC has chosen to give himself to this apostate institution and thus must also give himself to the counterfeit headship of this institution.

Now ths is not to say that OC and others like him will not claim that Christ is their Head, but the reality of Christ as our Head is seen in the fruit that this Headship bears in us, namely truth; and this fruit is not seen in those that follow the apostate institutions.

OC might have a great desire to follow Christ, but the institution under which he has chosen to place himself does not have Christ as its ministry, and only Christ ministered produces more Christ.

Under the false ministry of the apostate institutions, believers have no real and living way to go on with the Lord.


In love,
cj
 
MM, it is a very hard pill for OC to swallow, as the matter of headship is at the root of the apostate institutions

I realise that.

Let's look at it this way...The church is a living breathing organism. God is the head and the members are the different parts of the body.
 
OC has chosen to give himself to this apostate institution and thus must also give himself to the counterfeit headship of this institution.

Now ths is not to say that OC and others like him will not claim that Christ is their Head, but the reality of Christ as our Head is seen in the fruit that this Headship bears in us, namely truth; and this fruit is not seen in those that follow the apostate institutions.

OC might have a great desire to follow Christ, but the institution under which he has chosen to place himself does not have Christ as its ministry, and only Christ ministered produces more Christ.

Under the false ministry of the apostate institutions, believers have no real and living way to go on with the Lord.


In love,

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Hi, John here. This can go two eternal death ways. (Obadiah 16) Because you think that this dude is in an apostate Revelation 17:1-5 fold does not mean that there is not is not the One True Virgin Fold that Christ's Word DOCUMENTS in Ephesians 4:5 & John 10:16 along with the call to come out & go where in Revelation 18:4??
Then comes some of today's Jude 1:12's 'winds' of professed doctrine, which I call the loose cannon ones! :roll: No Church! No order! No Everlasting Gospel period! And that is whose teaching??? Take a guess?

---John