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mutzrein said:No of course I'm not God. Did I say I was God?
And what is there to explain?
Explain how you and your father are one.
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mutzrein said:No of course I'm not God. Did I say I was God?
And what is there to explain?
Thats how I feel too, Jon-Marc. Thats why i'm not so quick to condemn in this area so long as people are looking to Jesus as their salvation. And THAT is the requirment by God.Jon-Marc said:The problem with many people is that they try too hard to explain God, and no one can do that. It boggles my mind to think that He has ALWAYS existed and NEVER had a beginning, but I accept that as fact. I also accept the fact that God is a Triune God and somehow each of the Three has a different function, and yet all Three are One. That's called living by faith as God said the just shall do. I don't need answers to everything. All I need to do is trust God to know the answers, and to believe that all things WILL work the way He has planned despite our best efforts to get in His way.
Jon-Marc said:The problem with many people is that they try too hard to explain God, and no one can do that. It boggles my mind to think that He has ALWAYS existed and NEVER had a beginning, but I accept that as fact. I also accept the fact that God is a Triune God and somehow each of the Three has a different function, and yet all Three are One. That's called living by faith as God said the just shall do. I don't need answers to everything. All I need to do is trust God to know the answers, and to believe that all things WILL work the way He has planned despite our best efforts to get in His way.
Imagican said:And j, once again, you offer false teaching in order to defend your belief. First of all. NOT EVEN IN THE WORD offered by the apostles is there a 'trinity'. THESE were the first Church fathers. And Constantine was a PAGAN Emperor. This man was NOT a Christian when the council of Nicea took place. He was simply tired of the bickering over 'trinity' and chose to incorporate it into Christianity for the sake of 'peace' among the Bishops. That proves NOTHING so far as the validity of this doctrine. If ANYTHING it goes further towards proving that it was more likely to have been formed through PAGAN roots than through The Spirit. And IF it was truly of Spiritual origins, then HOW could it be possible for those led by The Spirit to torture and murder their brothers and sisters who REFUSED to accept it?
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Actually they were given not for public consumption but in spite of that, just chose to share them with you in this forum so that everybody may see how the Lord can speak in other language aside from Hebrew and Greek languages.unred typo said:Are they given you to share to edify the body of Christ or to admonish and encourage your own heart?
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mutzrein said:I and my father are also one. That doesn't make me my father or even the same as my father. We are one in spirit and this is the unity that Jesus referred to.
scorpia said:John 10:30 plainly speaks "I and my Father are One", no less no more, but Mutz speaks otherwise. I thought you believe that it is forbidden to add and/or subtract anything that is written in the bbile, hence why say too much about John 10:30?
mutzrein said:Jon-Marc
Anyway, before I go further in response to your posts, may I ask you a question?
How is it that you learned of the trinity? Did you know about it before the grace of God, by whose Spirit you were born again? Or was it explained to you by a brother or sister in the Lord after you came to know him? Or was it perhaps revealed to you by God without any human foreknowledge?
Yet there is nothing to indicate that this is what Jesus was referring to. Are you and your father not one in another way? Are you not both human by nature? Your father, being human, begat you, a human.mutzrein said:I and my father are also one. That doesn't make me my father or even the same as my father. We are one in spirit and this is the unity that Jesus referred to.
Free said:Yet there is nothing to indicate that this is what Jesus was referring to. Are you and your father not one in another way? Are you not both human by nature? Your father, being human, begat you, a human.
So how is it that the Father, who is God, begat someone who isn't God, who isn't of the same nature? Why can it not be said that they are one in nature? If Jesus isn't God then how can he be the Son of God?
Jon-Marc said:I have been in this world for 60 years and have known the Lord for 43 of those. I have heard about the Trinity from Baptist ministers all those years. I have also been to Bible college, read the Bible through many times and done extensive studying and have come to the same conclusion as those ministers. I have also learned that I am no Bible scholar, and there is much I don't know. The word of God is so vast and complex that no one can learn it all in one lifetime.
Of course, one thing I have also learned in my 60 years is that I am often wrong. I try to use scripture to back up what I say, but unfortunately not everyone sees the same scripture the same way. I try not to judge and condmen other people since only God has that right. However, I will say what I believe to be the truth without calling others a liar, or saying they are of the devil. I am positve that all I know and learn is taught to me by God's spirit, although satan is constantly lying to me and trying to get me to doubt God--just as he did with Eve.
Jon-Marc said:The problem with many people is that they try too hard to explain God, and no one can do that. It boggles my mind to think that He has ALWAYS existed and NEVER had a beginning, but I accept that as fact. I also accept the fact that God is a Triune God and somehow each of the Three has a different function, and yet all Three are One. That's called living by faith as God said the just shall do. I don't need answers to everything. All I need to do is trust God to know the answers, and to believe that all things WILL work the way He has planned despite our best efforts to get in His way.