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FAQ: Was Adam's disobedience a Hell-worthy transgression?

REPLY: According to Gen 2:17 it was a death-worthy transgression. In other words;
the proper penalty for Adam's mistake was simply his loss of immortality; and of
course loss of access to the tree of life to make sure he'd die. (Gen 3:22-24) Now
as for Adam's later sins; that's another story.

FAQ: Did Jesus' virgin conception insulate him from Adam's fall?

REPLY: According to Romans 5:12-21 the so-called original sin isn't hereditary,
rather; everyone, from first to last, was there all at once as joint participants
in Adam's act in real time rather than each in his own time.

The thing is: although Jesus wasn't biologically related to Joseph, he was
biologically related to his mother, and she in turn was biologically related to Eve
who was constructed top to bottom, inside and out, front to back, and side to side
with material taken from Adam's body; thus making Jesus a legitimate member of
Adam's posterity. So then; had Jesus not died on the cross, he would've eventually
died of some other cause because The Word per John 1:1-3 didn't come into the
world per John 1:14 as supernatural flesh, rather, as ordinary Jewish flesh. (Gen
49:10, Rom 1:3, and Rom 8:3)
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● 2Tim 3:1-3 . . This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For
people shall be . . .without natural affection

The Greek word translated "without natural affection" means hard-hearted towards
kindred; viz: lacking in sympathetic understanding i.e. unfeeling, pitiless,
thoughtless, insensitive, cruel, and inhumane.

* That was played out very large during China's cultural revolution under Chairman
Mao Zedong. (1966-1976)

There are actually kids growing up in homes right here in the USA where their
parents never give them even one atta-boy. As a result, they grow up feeling ugly,
unwanted, stupid, useless, marginal, expendable, incompetent, and unnecessary.

There are also kids growing up in homes where moms never hug them nor bother
to take the time to forge a bond between mother and child. Thus they grow up with
reactive attachment disorder; feeling convinced that no one could possibly ever
love them or be their best friend forever. RAD kids grow up to become adults with
some serious trust issues.

There are monsters at large burning their kids with cigarettes, pouring Tabasco
sauce in their eyes, locking them in hall closets and basements without food and
water for days, ignoring their opinions, demeaning them with denigrating labels,
ridiculing them, threatening their lives, working them as slaves without
compensation, denying their kids things just so they won't appear to indulge them,
and/or saying "no" to their kids' requests for no good reason than that they don't
want to seem weak and under their control.

Those cruel beasts routinely abuse their kids' human rights and relegate them to
the level of livestock rather than bona fide human beings with feelings and a mind
of their own. They nurture within their kids a feeling of unimportance, of not
belonging in their own home, and making them feel like an invasive species and
uninvited guests.

Ergo: people without natural affection are in very grave danger of being taken to
task by a very unsympathetic court.

● Jas 2:13 . . For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy.
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The way I figure it: seeing as how God is an intelligent, mature adult (so to speak)
who's never petty, nor capricious, nor biased, nor fickle, nor impulsive, nor
unreasonable, and takes no kind of sick pleasure in causing people harm; then God
must be just as stuck with Hell and can't make it go away with any more ease than
we can.

For reasons I have yet to even guess, Hell is unavoidable even for God because it's
somehow the right thing to do; i.e. it has to be utilized for confinement in order to
satisfy a level of justice that our limited little minds may never be able to fully
grasp.

● Ps 145:17 . .The Lord is righteous in all His ways
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FAQ: Doesn't 1Tim 2:4 say it is God's will that everyone be spared?

REPLY: It was likely God's will that no one perish in the Flood, but many did
anyway.

● 2Pet 2:4 . . God did not spare the ancient world when he brought the Flood on its
ungodly people; but saved only Noah plus seven others.

The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is a fair warning of terrors yet to come.

● 2Pet 2:6 . . He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to
ashes; making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 140 days have transpired since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 10,745,280 new arrivals
have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 15, 2024.
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● 1John 4:10 . . . God loved us when we didn't love Him, and sent His son as an
atoning sacrifice for our sins.

The Greek verb for love in that passage speaks of benevolence sans any particular
affection and/or fondness. This is the manner of love we're required to extend to
everyone regardless of whether we like them or not.

In a nutshell, the love expressed in sending Christ to die for God's enemies was an
act of gratuitous kindness, care, pity, courtesy, and sympathy which should not be
mistaken to indicate that He particularly likes any of us. In point of fact, God most
likely detests a pretty large number of people for whom Christ died; yet He's not
indifferent to their safety because God is basically a neighborly sort of person. (Matt
5:44-48)

"He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of
the whole world." (1John 2:2)

BTW: If perchance somebody hasn't done so already; take a moment to speak with
God about what His son has done for you.

You might begin by finding a private place to pray: anywhere quiet away from
people will do.

Cover your face with your hands, it will give you a sense of connection; and aloud
or under your breath, share with God your concerns; tell Him you're worried: you
know you're a sinner and will likely never be any different. Then tell Him you've
heard Christ died for the sins of the world. Tell Him you'd like to take advantage of
His son's death for your own sins.

* Be sure to thank God for His time. It won't make any difference but He does
appreciate good manners.
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● Zech 1:5 . .Where are your forefathers now? And the prophets, do they live
forever?

My parents are gone, and the great preacher Billy Graham is gone. My favorite rock
and roll guitar player during the years I was a teen-ager was Chuck Berry. He's
gone. When I was a sophomore in high school, me and a buddy went to see "The
Blob" starring a rather unknown actor at the time named Steve McQueen. He's
gone. My eldest brother entered the Catholic priesthood and anon became a Friar.
He's gone. My kid brother, who was the strongest and the bravest among all my
siblings, is gone. My bestest friend ever, whom I'd known since the 2nd grade in
elementary school is gone; shot to death by law enforcement. My very favorite
nephew is gone too; dropped dead to the floor of unknown causes at 51.

There's hardly a year goes by without someone passing away that at one time was
very important to me --constant reminders that nobody lives forever and neither
will I. At my current age of 81+ and diagnosed with esophageal cancer, I'll be
passing away not too long from now. Most of my life has already been lived and I'm
in the home stretch; heading for the exit. When I was a youngster, life's horizon
was forever far away; but now, with cancer taking its toll on my aging body, it
seems I'm walking on the horizon's very edge and gazing into an abyss.
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I would like it very much if my BFF, some of my associates, and my loved ones on
death row down in Hades were allowed visitor days in the afterlife because after
they're transferred to the lake of fire depicted at Rev 20:11-15, I may never get to
be with them ever again.

Christians are sometimes asked how they can possibly be happy in Heaven while
aware that their favorite people are imprisoned in suffering. Well; Rev 21:4 predicts
there will neither sorrow nor tears in the future cosmos, apparently made possible
by starting over from scratch and leaving all else behind, including memories of the
past.

● Rev 21:5 . . He who was seated on the throne said: I am making everything new!
Then he said: Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.
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In the story told at Luke 16-19-31, the beggar Lazarus died and was carried by
angels to the afterlife. Curiously, the rich man's transportation isn't specified.

One of the most disturbing scenes I've yet to observe in a Hollywood movie occurs
in "GHOST" starring Patrick Swayze and Demi Moore. When someone marked for
the wrong side of the afterlife passes away, these eerie phantoms emerge, having
the appearance of black oily smoke, uttering awful moans, and drag their panic
stricken captives down into the ground.

I don't know if that's how the rich man in Luke's story was transported, but if so; I
can well imagine just how shocking and horrifying it must've been for him at death
to suddenly be able to see menacing spirit creatures surrounding him with looks on
their faces that could only convey but one unmistakable intent; and I suspect those
sinister beings had been hovering around that poor man and stalking him every day
and night of his entire life without him knowing it and patiently waiting for the
green light to take him down.

So, I wonder if the angels that provided Lazarus transportation were not also
assigned as security to protect him from being shanghaied by something similar to
those dark mists.
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● Matt 5:8 . . Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

A rough-hewn definition of "pure in heart" is when someone is the same on the
inside as they are on the outside; which is just the opposite of dissembling; defined
as: to put on a false appearance, i.e. conceal facts, intentions, or feelings under
some pretense.

Dissembling is a very common form of dishonesty which is practiced by just about
everybody at one time or another. Most of us do not always want others to know
what we are actually thinking and/or feeling about certain things. The very opposite
of that is transparency, which most of us want from others, but prefer not to
reciprocate with transparency of our own.

Here's a really good example of someone pure in heart.

"When Jesus saw Nathanael approaching, he said of him: Here is a true Israelite, in
whom there is nothing false." (John 1:47)

Jesus was pure in heart too.

"No deceit was found in his mouth." (1Pet 2:22)

I think we may safely assume there are no exceptions to the sixth beatitude, i.e. no
one is exempt; sincerity and forthrightness aren't optional with God; they're
mandatory.

"Who may ascend into the hill of The Lord? And who may stand in His holy place?
He who has . . a pure heart . . he shall receive a blessing from The Lord." (Ps 24:3-5)

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 145 days have transpired since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 14,129,040 new arrivals
have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 15, 2024.
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I obtain quite a bit of useful information from YouTube; for example how to replace
a microwave oven motor, resolve a computer issue, adjust an electric guitar's
intonation. and/or the proper way to position a lawnmower for an oil change.

I also tour the world with YouTube, visiting amazing man-made wonders and
natural wonders too. I will likely never travel and get to see those wonders for
myself as they really are before I'm dead; but out ahead is coming a one-thousand
year era on Earth wherein I've no doubt there will be plenty of opportunity to see
everything in the next life that I missed in this one.

● Rev 20:6 . . Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection.
The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of
Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

I suspect that God is keeping a massive, fully comprehensive library that can
satisfy all my curiosity-- an archive of information far exceeding the contents of the
great library of Alexandria. For example: how did the ancient Egyptians build the
pyramids? How did the people of Easter Island move those massive stone heads
into position? Is there an end to space; and if so, what's on the other side? Things
like that; but also nature's secrets too. How did nature fashion those remarkable
rock formations in Utah? Or carve out the Grand Canyon?

There are many mysteries like those that I sincerely hope to find answers to some
day. But people in Hell won't be allowed access to God's library. They will never get
answers to their deepest questions about the cosmos; nor be allowed to travel to all
the exotic places on Earth that they missed in this life before passing on to the
next.

Another benefit to the coming era is safety. I will have nothing to fear from either
the human world nor the animal kingdom. I love to explore, but tend to avoid
places that might cost me my life. Well; in the future, I'll be able to explore every
corner of the globe to my heart's content and thoroughly enjoy myself without
worrying about hazards associated with the journey like piranha, head hunters,
deadly reptiles, predatory beasts, poisonous insects, toxic vegetation, hijackers,
terrorists, and/or bandits, etc.

One thing that prevents many of us from touring the world is old age. Well, those of
us who make the cut will be immortal, so that diminished capacity will never again
be a factor dictating what we can eat and drink, were we can go, nor whether we
can make it.

● Rev 20:5-6 . . But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years
were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in
the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power.

People on the wrong side of the afterlife are not only in terrible discomfort, and
existing in monotonous dismal circumstances, but they have no future to speak of.
They're on track to miss out on the pleasures of adventure, discovery, and
exploration; which are three very stimulating activities that, just about everybody
I've ever met would agree, make living worthwhile.
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● Matt 22:36-40 . . Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said
unto him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul,
and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is
like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments
hang all the law and the prophets.

The Greek verb translated "love" doesn't necessarily imply either affection and/or
fondness. It's just as much about the way we treat our fellow men as our personal
feelings about them. This is the kind of love that we ought to be extending to
everyone-- friend, foe, family, and stranger alike. It's the very same love that Jesus
taught in Matt 5:44 which reads:

"You have heard that it was said: You shall love your neighbor, and hate your
enemy. But I say to you, love your enemies,"

In other words; you don't especially have to like your neighbors, you family, and/or
your enemies, but you do have to be benevolent, i.e. courteous, kind, charitable,
tolerant, patient, diplomatic, tactful, gentle, reasonable, fair, deferential, cordial,
genial, affable, sociable, helpful, thoughtful, sympathetic, considerate, and
cooperative, etc. And of course those all apply to the way that people associate with
God too because the same Greek verb is used of loving God as loving one's
neighbors and enemies.

The above tells me that quite a few people are on the road to Hell simply because
their manners are uncivil, and insufferable, with both God and Man, viz: they not
only aren't nice to their fellow men, but they're not even nice to God-- they don't
care about marginalizing Him, tuning Him out, insulting Him, chafing Him, and/or
hurting His feelings. In other words: the two most important of all the
commandments bounces off their thick skulls like a banana thrown at a Russian
tank.
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● John 18:37-38 . . Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice. Pilate said to him:
What is truth?

Pilate's question was meaningful in his day because ancient philosophers
perpetually discussed and debated the nature of truth without ever achieving a
unanimous decision about it.

Well; one of Webster's definitions of "truth" is: a state of being the case; viz: fact;
which Webster's defines as the quality of being actual. In other words: truth is the
way it is; viz: truth is reality as opposed to speculation, fantasy, opinion, error,
inaccuracy, inexactness, theory, imagination, and false impressions, etc.

Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide,
No escape from reality.
Bohemian Rhapsody, QUEEN, 1975
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● Ps 115:17-18 . .The dead do not praise The Lord, nor do any who go down into
silence.

Down below, on the wrong side of the netherworld, communication with God is
restricted. The Bible says to call upon God while He is near. Well, there comes a
time for the dead when God is too distant, i.e. He's permanently estranged. That's
a kind of silence that no one should take lightly.

● Matt 8:11-12 . . I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west,
and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be
weeping and gnashing of teeth.

"children of the kingdom" is very likely Jacob's posterity; the Jews. Well; for sure,
not all of his people will be permitted citizenship in the kingdom predicted in the Old
Testament. According to Ezek 20:33-38 a number of them will be culled from the
herd and sent elsewhere.

Outer darkness is again spoken of in Matt 22:13 and Matt 25:30

It appears, from comparison of the available data, that "outer darkness" isn't a
location, rather, a state of mental anguish characterized by the deepest possible
feelings of grief associated with loss.

It's akin to the day that God announced to Moses' people they were going to have
to stay in that awful Sinai outback until they were dead. They missed their
opportunity to enter the land of milk and honey and there was no way to regain it
because God had made up His mind.

I've experienced deep personal grief associated with loss but one time thus far;
that was when my No.1 nephew passed away suddenly of natural causes at the age
of 51. I held him in my arms upon returning home from three years in the Army
when he was only a couple of weeks old.

News of his passing has thus far been the only time in my 81+ years that I actually
clenched my teeth, sobbing out of control, and choking, while clinging to a handrail
in the front room to keep from losing my balance and falling to the floor. Outer
darkness is likely speaking of a similar depth of grief, or possibly worse.
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The criminal records associated with the great white throne event depicted at Rev
20:11-15 likely will be used to not only condemn people's actions, but also to prove
that the people themselves are not the caliber of folk with whom God prefers to
associate.

For example: God isn't comfortable with dishonesty. So if the records show that
someone is capable of deception, then they will be barred from heaven.

● Ps 15:1-3 . . Lord, who may dwell in your sanctuary? Who may live on your holy
hill? He who speaks the truth from his heart and has no slander on his tongue, who
does his neighbor no wrong and casts no slur on his fellowman. He who does these
things will never be shaken.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 150 days have transpired since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 11,512,800 new arrivals
have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 15, 2024.
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FAQ: What if I'm naturally dishonest; you know: born that way?

REPLY: You mean like Ps 58:3, which says:

"The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies go astray from
birth."

Well; that's pretty serious.

● Rev 21:8 . . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second death.

● Rev 22:15 . . Outside are . . those who practice falsehood.

OBJECTION: I'm not a degenerate liar. I'm basically honest and lie only on
occasion.

REPLY: But you're not 100% honest, i.e. you're a person of marginal integrity
whom God cannot rely upon to always tell Him the truth.

Liars don't need a rule book, instead; they need a miracle to liberate them from
themselves so they don't end up on the wrong side of things. In other words: they
need an overhaul from top to bottom and inside and out, i.e. a full and complete
renovation to get rid of that lying streak they were born with; to wit:

● John 3:7 . . You should not be surprised at my saying that you must be born
again.

It's my guess that most natural-born liars would agree that it's to their advantage
to start over again; equipped with propensities and predilections that God can
approve.
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FAQ: There are no human sacrifices specified in the covenant that Moses' people
entered into with God on oath in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and
Deuteronomy. Plus, according to Deut 4:2 and Deut 5:29-30 it is prohibited to
revise the covenant. Since Jesus was a Jew whose religion was governed by that
covenant (Gal 4:4) then how was it legal for him to die for the sins of the world?

REPLY: The Bible's codified laws are not retroactive (Deut 5:2-4, Gal 3:17) This is
extremely important because Jesus was designated, and scheduled, to die for the
sins of the world prior to the voice of God creating even a single atom for the
current cosmos. (1Pet 1:18-21 & Rev 13:8) In other words: the cross was on track
many years before the covenant existed.
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Insensitive folk who come from the womb unable to feel compassion, are in very
grave danger of the sum of all fears.

● Matt 5:7 . . Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

● Jas 2:13 . . For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy.

FAQ: How is that fair to people born with a hard heart?

REPLY: Compassion can be learned. For example There are a number of
instructional web sites offering lists of helpful do's and don'ts to assist sympathy
challenged people to at least respond appropriately to others' misfortunes.
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God counseled Cain:

● Gen 4:7 . . If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do
what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must
master it.

"to have you" indicates complete control over one's life so that Cain wouldn't just
be slipping into sin now and then, rather; sin would become a habit.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 155 days have transpired since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 11,896,560 new arrivals
have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 15, 2024.
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● Rev 20:13 . . I saw the dead, and they were judged, every one of them

That verse says that "every one" of them were judged. Well; I don't know precisely
how many every one will eventually number, but let's say that it's 100,000.

If each of these 100,000 cases were to take an hour to complete, we'd be looking
at roughly 4,167 calendar days, i.e. 11½ years-- that's if the judging by a solo
judge goes around the clock 24/7/365.

According to Daniel 7:13-14, John 5:22-3, and Acts 17:31, Messiah has been
designated to preside at the event. However, there's reason to suggest that he
won't be handling every case himself.

● 1Cor 6:2-3 . . Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the
world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law
courts? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? (cf. Matt 12:28)

Moses was assisted in his judicial duties by a select group of Jewish men. (Ex
18:17-26) It's possible that certain among Messiah's followers will be recruited to
serve as judges with him in the same manner, which would expedite his case load
considerably.

There's a few points related to that scene worth special mention.

1) According to Jude 1:14-15 the dead will be given a fair trial.

2) According to Matt 12:36, every word that the dead have spoken will be used as
evidence both against them and/or for them; not just their serious words, but also
their careless words.

3) The scene doesn't depict one future out of a variety of possible futures; no, it
depicts the actual future.
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● 1Kings 22:18-23 . . I saw the Lord God sitting on His throne, and all the host of
heaven standing by Him on His right and on His left. And Jehovah said: Who will
entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said this while another
said that.

. .Then a spirit came forward and stood before The Lord and said: I will entice
him. And The Lord said to him: How? And he said: I will go out and be a deceiving
spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. Then He said: You are to entice him and also
prevail. Go and do so. Now therefore, behold, The Lord has put a deceiving spirit in
the mouth of all these your prophets; and Jehovah has proclaimed disaster against
you.

Now that is scary. Can you just imagine the horror of being targeted like that and
not aware of it! (cf. 2Thess 2:8-12)
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