Perdition's Population Clock

[Beetow]

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● Luke 16:22-23 . . It came to pass that the rich man died, and was buried. And in
Hades . . .

"Hades" is translated from the Greek word haides (hah'-dace) which, in ancient
Hellenistic culture, was an afterlife facility where all the dead went-- the good dead
as well as the bad dead --regardless of age, race, sex, gender identity, political
ideology, and/or religious preference. Jesus spent some time in Hades before his
crucified dead body was restored to life. (Acts 2:22-32)

* The Jews spent some time under the influence of Greek culture prior to the
Romans taking them over so it's no surprise they would pick up some of the
Grecian's afterlife terminology.

Hades is divided into sections to which the souls of the dead are assigned in
accordance with the quality of their past life's existence. The best section is called
Paradise (Luke 23:42) whereas the worst section is a deep abyss called Tartarus.
(2Pet 2:4)

● Luke 16:23-25 . . The rich man looked up and saw Abraham far away. So he
called to him: Father Abraham, have pity on me. But Abraham replied: Son,
remember

I should think that one of the inconvenient components of perdition is memory.
How people in the afterlife are able to recall their experiences sans the brain cells
they left behind with their corpse, I don't know. Apparently God has some sort of
file transfer protocol that Silicon Valley has yet to discover.

The older one gets, the more memories they accumulate, and many of those
memories haunt us with terrible regret. However, people in Hell not only have to
cope with their bad memories, but also the good ones too, and I should think it's
remembering the good things they enjoyed in life that makes their situation only
worse in the heat. Smart folks deal with their regrets by unifying with Christ as
joint principals with him in his crucifixion and resurrection per Rom 5:12-21 & Rom
6:3-11, but the dummies? No; their past will always be an albatross hung around
their neck.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 93 days have transpired since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 7,137,936 new arrivals
have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 15, 2024.
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According to a report released on March 25, 2014 by the World Health
Organization; air pollution kills, on average, seven million people per annum;
and is linked to one in eight deaths (12.5%) world-wide.

According to a report by the public health agency of the United Nations; an
estimated 4.3 million people in developing countries died in 2012 as a result of
indoor air pollution, mostly from cooking with inadequately ventilated kitchen
equipment designed for use with coal and wood.

Air pollution is so lethal because it exacerbates other conditions like cardio vascular
diseases, cancer, and respiratory illnesses. Were people with those conditions
permitted to breathe clean air free of hazardous chemicals and toxic particulates,
they would live longer; thus the arrival times of many tagged for the infernal
regions would be delayed so they could enjoy life a bit longer before beginning an
eternity of perpetual anguish.
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The wrath of God is interesting. For example:

● Isa 13:9 . . Behold, the day of The Lord comes-- cruel; with both wrath and fierce
anger

The Hebrew word for "wrath" in that statement pertains to an outburst of passion.
In other words: the wrath of God won't be weeping big wet crocodile tears while it's
slamming the dead at the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15; no,
they will be terminated with extreme prejudice. (cf. Isa 63:1-6, Rev 19:15)

Webster's defines "fierce" as a behavior exhibited by humans and animals that
inspires terror because of the wild and menacing aspect of fury in attack. Ferocity is
an aspect commonly seen among carnivorous beasts savagely ripping prey. There's
neither sportsmanship nor sympathy in ferocity; only sheer terror, brutality, and
blood lust.

"cruel" is defined as: disposed to inflict pain or suffering; viz: devoid of humane
feelings

Another interesting aspect of the wrath of God is the person appointed to
administer it-- none other than the man who came into the world as a sweet little
babe in swaddling clothes.

● John 5:22-23 . .The Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the
Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father.

● Acts 17:31 . . For God has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by
the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from
the dead.

● Rev 19:15 . . He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treads the wine press
of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
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● Acts 2:31a . . his soul was not left in Hades

Hades is divided into sections where the souls of all the dead-- regardless of age,
race, religion and/or gender identity --are assigned in accordance with the quality
of their pre-death existence. The worst is a deep abyss called Tartarus; which is
utilized in 2Pet 2:4

Luke 23:13 says Jesus' soul waited for his body's recovery in a section of Hades he
called paradise; translated from a Greek word pertaining to parks and recreation,
i.e. an Eden.

According to Luke 16:23 the poor slobs over in the incendiary section of Hades can
look across to paradise and see what they're missing: sort of like destitute urchins
gazing thru the window of a posh restaurant at what people have on their plates;
which speaks very loudly of want and privation.

FAQ: Paradise is down in the netherworld?

REPLY: The thing is: Jesus didn't go up that day when he passed away on the
cross; in point of fact he went down. (Matt 12:40, John 20:17)

So then I think we can safely assume that paradise isn't restricted to a single
location, rather, any heavenly area can be characterized as paradise-- for example
the afterlife zone that at one time provided accommodations for Lazarus and
Abraham in the story told at Luke 16:19-31) the so-called the third Heaven (2Cor
12:2-4) and the paradise of God. (Rev 2:7)

In other words: I rather suspect that the sphere of paradise is a whole lots more
extensive than we've thus far been told about it.

For example the New York City park system. There's first of all the mega
recreational area called Central Park; but that isn't New York's only recreational
area. There are lots of smaller parks throughout the city that although they have
their own individual names-- e.g. The Highline, Bryant, World Trade Center,
Washington Square, etc -- they're all incorporated in the New York City park
system, and they are all paradise in comparison to the rest of the city.
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A forgiven sinner is still sinful, and they'll go right on sinning same as before and
thus needing forgiveness again and again ad infinitum.

● Gen 6:5 . .The Lord saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become,
and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.

● Gen 8:21 . . Man's thoughts and actions are bent toward evil from childhood.

● Jer 13:23 . . Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Then may
you also do good who are accustomed to do evil.

Well; in light of the passages above, it's certainly no surprise to me that people
need to upgrade the very core of their being so that they would, by nature, be the
children of Heaven rather than the children of Hell that they are now.

● John 3:7 . . You should not be surprised at my saying you must be born again.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 99 days have transpired since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 7,598,448 new arrivals
have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 15, 2024.
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[Beetow]

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The lake of fire depicted at Rev 20:10-15 is primarily a gallows, so to speak, for
carrying out death sentences.

According to Dan 12:2 and John 5:28-29 there's only one resurrection allotted per
person. Therefore nobody is coming back from the lake because they will use up
their one resurrection to stand and face justice at the great white throne event.
People walk away alive from the fire spoken of at 1Cor 3:5-15 whereas nobody
walks away alive from the lake.

FAQ: You say there is but one resurrection allotted per person. What about all those
people in the Bible who were restored to life? Was that it for them?

REPLY: Dan 12:2 and John 5:28-29 speak of "the" resurrection; which is quite a bit
different than common resurrections because those in the Bible returned folks to
their former lives so they could pick up where they left off, whereas "the"
resurrection moves people forward to an existence in the future; which may, or
may not, be to their advantage.

● Dan 12:2 . . Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to
everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

● John 5:28-29 . . A time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his
voice and come out-- those who have done good will rise to live, and those who
have done evil will rise to be condemned.
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[Beetow]

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Normal human existence is a composite unity of body, soul, and spirit. (Gen 2:7,
1Thes 5:23, Heb 4:12)

The body and the soul are readily destroyed by means of Hell fire (Matt 10:28) but
I have yet to come across a passage in the Bible saying the spirit is destroyed by that
means; or by any means for that matter.

In what condition people will exist in the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:11-15
minus a human body and a human soul I don't know. It might be that the human
spirit is transferable.

What if God is able to move people's spirit around at will and attach it to a body
and soul other than a human body and soul; say, the body and soul of a demonic
being? The very thought of such a possibility is disturbing.

● Ecc 12:7 . . Then the dust returns to the earth just as it happened to be and the
spirit itself returns to God who gave it. (cf. Luke 23:46)

The million-dollar question is: What comes next for people's spirit when it gets back
in God's hands?
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POSIT: I'm special; God understands me. Although He probably may not let others
off; I'm sure God will make an exception for me because I'm not like other people;
I'm different.

REPLY: Unfortunately, the Bible's God can't do that. If He were to make exceptions,
God would be neither equitable, nor honest-- and worse, it would go against His
grain, compromise His integrity, sin against His conscience; and cause Him to lose
the world's respect.

No, God doesn't grade on a curve: everyone is treated equally in God's courtroom.
In a system of divine absolutes; nobody gets any favors, and nobody is a protected
species.

● Deut 10:17 . . Jehovah shows no partiality and accepts no bribes.

● Acts 10:34 . .Then Peter began to speak: I now realize how true it is that God is
impartial.

● Rom 2:5-11 . . For there is coming a day of judgment when God, the just judge
of all the world, will judge all people according to what they have done. He will give
eternal life to those who persist in doing what is good, seeking after the glory and
honor and immortality that God offers.

. . But he will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live for themselves, who
refuse to obey the truth; and practice evil deeds. There will be anguish and
calamity for everyone who practices evil-- for the Jew first and also for the Gentile.
But there will be glory and honor and peace from God for all practice good --for the
Jew first and also for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.
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FAQ: Doesn't Rom 8:38-39 indicate that God never really abandons anybody?

REPLY: Within the context of the 8th of Romans, the pronoun "us" is restricted to
the author and an exclusive category of Christians described as "in Christ".

The "in Christ" category is very privileged in that it has immunity from retribution.

● Rom 8:1 . . There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
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Humanity is divided in two categories: the Living, and the Dead (Acts 10:42, 2Tim
4:1, 1Pet 4:5) and their respective judgments take place at different times and
locations.

Below is a description of the Dead's judgment; and I should point out that what we
are about to read is not a prediction. No, John actually saw this event with his own
eyes; like viewing a live video feed from the future.

● Rev 20:11-15 . . And I saw a great white throne, and I saw the one who was
sitting on it. The earth and sky fled from His presence, but they found no place to
hide. I saw the Dead, both great and small, standing before God's throne. And the
books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the Dead were judged
according to the things written in the books, according to what they had done.

The Dead are mentioned twice in that scene; whereas the Living aren't mentioned
at all. The reason is that the Living won't stand trial among the Dead at the great
white throne is because their judgment took place with Christ.

● Rom 6:3 . . Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ
Jesus were baptized into His death?

● Rom 6:6 . . Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him

● Gal 2:20 . . I am crucified with Christ

● Col 3:1-4 . . For you died when Christ died

Consequently the Living will never again be in danger of the great white throne.

● John 5:24 . . I assure you: those who listen to my message, and trust in God who
sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they
have already passed from death into life.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 104 days have transpired since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 7,982,208 new arrivals
have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 15, 2024.
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FAQ: Seeing as how people are to exist in Hell forever, does that mean they have
eternal life?

REPLY: If they had eternal life; they wouldn't be in Hell.

● John 3:16 . . For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, so that
everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

● John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my message, and believe in God who
sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they
have already transferred from death into life.

FAQ: Well then if eternal life has little or nothing to do with the duration of one's
existence; then what is it?

REPLY: If you can understand what human nature is, then you're on your way to
understanding eternal life because it has to do with divine nature. (2Pet 1:2-4)

In a nutshell: people with eternal life have the potential to think, feel, and conduct
themselves like God, whereas people with human life will never be like anyone but
themselves; they're stuck.
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