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Postmillenialism is the Only Optimistic View Of End Times

Taught in scripture, not at all false.
It's false because this one teaches that we the church, the human institution will dominate the earth, and the church will build the kingdom, instead of Lord Jesus who was prophecied to return and establish his kingdom.
No, psalm 22;
Yes, this will be accomplished by Lord Jesus's bodily and physical return on Mount Olive.
It is the church obeying and serving God, here and now.
Then why is Satan still roaming on the earth like a lion, seeking to devour? Why are we still in the spiritual battle with evil spirits? Yes, kingdom is here, but NO, kingdom is not covering the whole earth, great commission is not finished.
No, actual fulfillment of prophecy...All authority has been given unto Jesus, he sends us into the world
Mt.28:

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.


19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,
That's the beginning, not the end. Jesus's work was finished on the cross, the church's work had not even begun when Jesus said this.
God has ordained the good works Eph2:10
So? Good works doesn't replace the Lord's return.
Some people believe what the scripture says on this;
Some people also believe what the Scripture says on this. If the "he" in Ps. 72 is supposed to be Jesus, then why does the beast must gets the same tribute and submission from the earthly kings BEFORE Lord Jesus conquers him?

"the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. These are of one mind, and they hand over their power and authority to the beast. They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful.” (Rev. 17:12-14)
 
From He shall have Dominion, pg 436-437;
The Postmillennial View To understand the significance of Ezekiel’s visionary temple, we must keep in mind the conceptual idea which the temple structure and services embody. In essence the temple itself is a symbol: it symbolizes the covenantal relationship of God with his people. The heart of the covenant appears in that most important promise: “I will be your God, you will beMy people.” The temple is the special place where God dwells among 85his people (1Ki 6:12–13; Jer 7:4–7), as he does in the tabernacle preceding it (Ex 29:42; 25:22; 30:36). God’s glory is especially present inhis sanctuary (1Ki 8:11; 2Ch 7:1–2), even though no temple could contain his immense being (1Ki 8:27; Isa 66:1; Jer 23:24). This idea clearly relates to Ezekiel’s temple vision in 48:35: “The name of the city from that day shall be: The Lord is There.” That visionary temple symbolizes God’s glorious presence in Christ’s kingdom, whichcomes in the new covenant era. and it is so because even further defined,it is symbolic of Christ Himself. Christ is the true presence of God whichcould only be hinted at in the temple construction. “Ezekiel’s vision ofthe new temple is part of this prophetic pattern of a restoration so totalthat it sublimates the ceremonial structure in glory. Ezekiel’s restorationreturns David to the throne, and sees a temple that is a sanctuary ofParadise, where the river of life flows from God’s throne past trees whoseleaves are for the healing of the nations.”
 
ibid;One of the Old Testament’s closing prophecies is Malachi 3:1: “Andthe Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple, even theMessenger of the covenant, in whom you delight.” This coming is themessage of the New Testament: the Lord has come to “tabernacle”among us (Jn 1:14, Gk.; ekenosen, cf. Jn 1:1; 1Jn 1:1–3). When he comes,shepherds visit him, while out in the fields keeping sacrificial sheepdestined for the temple. When his parents present him forty days later 87in the temple, Simeon praises him as the “glory of Your people Israel” (Lk2:32) — language reflecting God’s Shekinah glory, which evidences God’s presence in the temple (Ex 40:34, 35; 1Sa 4:21–22).He stands as the glorious realization of the temple’s meaning, for he who sees him sees the Father (Jn 14:9), for “in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily” (Col 2:9). He even transfigures before his disciples as a glorious display of his true identity (Mt 17:1–8; Mk 9:2–8). Consequently, he justly claims to be greater than the temple (Mt 12:6), for he is its fulfillment, being the very presence of God. In fact, he is “the stone which the builders rejected” which “has become the chief cornerstone”of God’s new temple (Mt 21:42).Consequently, as his prophetic ministry opens Christ stands in the shadow of the earthly temple and informs Jerusalem of this glorious truth: “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up,” by which“He was speaking of the temple of His body” (Jn 2:19, 21), a temple “not made with hands” (Mk 14:58). Therefore, he offers Himself to men as the heavenly manna, which was once housed in the Ark of the Covenant in the temple. He offers the living waters of Ezekiel’s temple (Eze 47; cf. 89Joel 3:18; Zec 14:8) to his hearers (Jn 4:10–15; 7:38–39). He is the sacrificial “Lamb of God” destined for temple service (Jn 1:29). As he establishes the new covenant (Lk 22:20), he impresses upon the hearts of his followers God’s Law (Mt 5:16–20; cp. Jer 31:31–34; 2Co 4:3, 6; Heb8:8–11), which was formerly kept on stone tablets in the Holy of holies(Ex 25:21; Dt 10:5; Heb 9:4). Thus, when he dies the temple era formally ends with the rending of the temple veil (Mt 27:51). When he speaks ofthe temple’s absolute destruction in AD 70, he does not intimate any God-endorsed rebuilding (Mt 24 ), nor the return of the temple mount to 90holy status (Jn 4:21–24) — indeed, he speaks of faith casting the temple mount into the sea (Mt 21:21).
 
From He shall have Dominion, pg 436-437;
The Postmillennial View To understand the significance of Ezekiel’s visionary temple, we must keep in mind the conceptual idea which the temple structure and services embody. In essence the temple itself is a symbol: it symbolizes the covenantal relationship of God with his people. The heart of the covenant appears in that most important promise: “I will be your God, you will beMy people.” The temple is the special place where God dwells among 85his people (1Ki 6:12–13; Jer 7:4–7), as he does in the tabernacle preceding it (Ex 29:42; 25:22; 30:36). God’s glory is especially present inhis sanctuary (1Ki 8:11; 2Ch 7:1–2), even though no temple could contain his immense being (1Ki 8:27; Isa 66:1; Jer 23:24). This idea clearly relates to Ezekiel’s temple vision in 48:35: “The name of the city from that day shall be: The Lord is There.” That visionary temple symbolizes God’s glorious presence in Christ’s kingdom, whichcomes in the new covenant era. and it is so because even further defined,it is symbolic of Christ Himself. Christ is the true presence of God whichcould only be hinted at in the temple construction. “Ezekiel’s vision ofthe new temple is part of this prophetic pattern of a restoration so totalthat it sublimates the ceremonial structure in glory. Ezekiel’s restorationreturns David to the throne, and sees a temple that is a sanctuary ofParadise, where the river of life flows from God’s throne past trees whoseleaves are for the healing of the nations.”
Look, man, I can agree with to the extent that the kingdom is in progress, but the final millennial kingdom in Rev. 20 is NOT fulfilled yet until the Lord's return in Rev. 19. 20:23-3 clearly states that Satan will be bound in the abyss during the millennial reign, then why IS Satan still roaming on earth seeking to devour? Why is he active and bold more than ever in these days? The reign of the Catholic church or whatever church institution is NOT the Lord's millennial reign, postmillennial is New Jerusalem.
 
It's false because this one teaches that we the church, the human institution will dominate the earth,
Hello CARRY, Is the "church" a human institution? Or did Jesus build it? Why do you believe the gospel cannot overcome the ungodly by giving them a new heart? Jesus saved you, can He not save many others?
and the church will build the kingdom, instead of Lord Jesus who was prophecied to return and establish his kingdom.
Hebrews 12 indicates Jesus is building from heaven now:
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Yes, this will be accomplished by Lord Jesus's bodily and physical return on Mount Olive.
Many do hold that position, others see that we are to serve right now.I was first atught that view also.
Then why is Satan still roaming on the earth like a lion, seeking to devour?
Satan is only bound in terms of his hindering the gospel from going worldwide according to Rev.20
Why are we still in the spiritual battle with evil spirits? Yes, kingdom is here, but NO, kingdom is not covering the whole earth, great commission is not finished.
I agree, it is here, spreading, but not yet complete Heb2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
That's the beginning, not the end. Jesus's work was finished on the cross, the church's work had not even begun when Jesus said this.
So? Good works doesn't replace the Lord's return.
Agreed, it is just the beginning, We are still the early Church

Some people also believe what the Scripture says on this. If the "he" in Ps. 72 is supposed to be Jesus, then why does the beast must gets the same tribute and submission from the earthly kings BEFORE Lord Jesus conquers him?

"the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. These are of one mind, and they hand over their power and authority to the beast. They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful.” (Rev. 17:12-14)
25 Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?

26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.

27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
 
Look, man, I can agree with to the extent that the kingdom is in progress,
Okay, very good. Many deny even this. I believed much of what you have been taught, but my view is changing by scripture. It has always been there, but I did not see it at first.I resisted for several years, until I came to understand Hebrews
but the final millennial kingdom in Rev. 20 is NOT fulfilled yet until the Lord's return in Rev. 19. 20:23-3 clearly states that Satan will be bound in the abyss during the millennial reign, then why IS Satan still roaming on earth seeking to devour?
Look at what it says; Why is satan bound?3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. The gospel is going world wide, he cannot stop it. It does not say satan is obliterated! Like in JOB, God limits him.
Why is he active and bold more than ever in these days? The reign of the Catholic church or whatever church institution is NOT the Lord's millennial reign, postmillennial is New Jerusalem.
The New Jerusalem is the church which will come down as a bride, when all things are finished.
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

CARRY- I know what I am offering sounds annoying, but take sometime to learn the historic view of many.
All orthodox views seek to offer answers for all 66 books
 
Hello CARRY, Is the "church" a human institution? Or did Jesus build it? Why do you believe the gospel cannot overcome the ungodly by giving them a new heart? Jesus saved you, can He not save many others?
Because it's still run by human beings, prone to stray and wander. Out of the seven churches in Rev. 2-3, only two out of the seven are good, four are criticized by the Lord, and Laodicea has zero good work worthy of any thumbs up from the Lord, and that's the leading spirit in most modern churches - lukewarm. Don't tell me those are not built by Jesus. If not, Jesus wouldn't have mentioned them, because he wouldn't have known them.
 
ibid3;
Christ is the True Temple. Many commentators note John’s demonstrating Jesus’ fulfillment of the temple (Jn 2) as one of the purposes of his Gospel, as well as his fulfilling the sabbath (Jn 5), the Passover (Jn 6), and the Feast of Tabernacles (Jn 7). His people in 91mystical union with him are called his “body” (Ro 12:5; 1Co 12:27; Eph4:12). Thus, we who are his people are also designated a “temple.” This 92is due to his indwelling presence among his people, so that we, having the true temple within, may be called a temple. Christ in us is the hope of glory (Col 1:27). Not only is he who is the true temple in us, but we are also “in Christ.” 93Thus, prophecies regarding the temple’s rebuilding (when not referring to Zerubbabel’s temple) speak of Christ and his building his church (Mt 16:18; cf. Zec 6:12–13). He himself is the foundation and cornerstone (Lk 20:17; 1Co 3:11, 16–17; Eph 2:20). As Christ’s people weare priests (Ro 15:16; 1Pe 2:5, 9; Rev 1:6) who offer our bodies as living sacrifices (Ro 12:1–2) and our service as acceptable sweet smell offerings(2Co 2:14–16; Php 4:18; Heb 13:15–16; 1Pe 2:5). Thus, “we have an altar from which those who serve the tabernacle have no right to eat” (Heb13:10). As he converts more people by his sovereign grace, his new covenant temple grows stone by stone (Eph 2:21; 4:12, 16; 1Pe 2:5, 9). Asa master builder Paul labors in that temple (1Co 3:9–17).Through a series of Old Testament temple and ritual allusions, Paul points to the new temple of God: “And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said:‘I will dwell in them and walk among them. I will be their God, and they shall be My people.’ Therefore ‘Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you.I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.’ Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God” (2Co 6:16–7:1). So, as Clowney well notes,“we must recognize that this is not spiritualization in our usual sense ofthe word, but the very opposite. In Christ is realization. It is not so muchthat Christ fulfills what the temple means; rather Christ is the meaningfor which the temple existed.”
 
Because it's still run by human beings, prone to stray and wander. Out of the seven churches in Rev. 2-3, only two out of the seven are good, four are criticized by the Lord, and Laodicea has zero good work worthy of any thumbs up from the Lord, and that's the leading spirit in most modern churches - lukewarm. Don't tell me those are not built by Jesus. If not, Jesus wouldn't have mentioned them, because he wouldn't have known them.
Judgment begins at the house of God. Notice, Jesus rebuked and chastened those disobedient and lukewarm persons. Jesus knows what we do, and what we do not do, at all times
 
Look at what it says; Why is satan bound?3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. The gospel is going world wide, he cannot stop it. It does not say satan is obliterated! Like in JOB, God limits him.
He is neither bound or limited, he's deceiving more nations and people, more than ever. No he can't stop the gospel, he can only slow it down, but that doesn't mean he's already bound and limtied, that remains to be fulfilled in the future.
The New Jerusalem is the church which will come down as a bride, when all things are finished.
Except "all things" are not finished, and New Jerusalem is the new heaven and new earth, not just the church.
CARRY- I know what I am offering sounds annoying, but take sometime to learn the historic view of many.
All orthodox views seek to offer answers for all 66 books
Sorry man, that's eisegesis - using extrabiblical materials and sources to interpret the Scripture. A correct view rooted in the Scripture demands exegesis, which means using the Scripture to interpret Scripture - and extrabiblical materials and sources.
 
He is neither bound or limited, he's deceiving more nations and people, more than ever. No he can't stop the gospel, he can only slow it down, but that doesn't mean he's already bound and limtied, that remains to be fulfilled in the future.

Except "all things" are not finished, and New Jerusalem is the new heaven and new earth, not just the church.

Sorry man, that's eisegesis - using extrabiblical materials and sources to interpret the Scripture. A correct view rooted in the Scripture demands exegesis, which means using the Scripture to interpret Scripture - and extrabiblical materials and sources.
The sources I supply are biblical
 
The major passage setting forth this spiritual transformation is Isaiah65:17–25. In that glorious scene Isaiah presents a dramatic image of the gospel economy’s historical impact. This economy will develop through“ a multi-stage process that culminates at the final judgment.” This redemptive economy will gradually transform the world ethically and spiritually, so that it appears as a “new heavens and a new earth” of which “the former shall not be remembered or come to mind” (Isa 65:17).

Isaiah’s vision is the background of Paul’s statement in 2 Corinthians5:17, which refers to contemporary spiritual realities: “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.” According to New Testament 99theology, the Second Adam, Christ, stands at the head of a new creation(Ro 5:14; 1Co 15:22, 45).Calvin views Isaiah 65:17–25 as a new covenant blessing that results from a change in covenantal administration: By these metaphors he promises a remarkable change of affairs; as if God had said that he has both the inclination and the power not only to restore his Church, but to restore it in such a manner that it shall appear to gain new life and to dwell in a new world. These are exaggerated modes of expression; but the greatness of such a blessing, which was to be manifested at the coming of Christ, could not be described in any other way. Nor does he mean only the first coming, but the whole reign, which must be extended as far as to the last coming.
The transformational effect of the gospel kingdom is such that those who are newly born of its power are thereby constituted new creatures:101“in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything,but a new creation” (Gal 6:15). The transforming power of the gospel creates a “new man” of two warring factions, Jew and Gentile (Eph2:15–18). Gospel-transformed new creatures are to lay aside the old selfand take on the new (Eph 4:22–23), which is “created according to God,in righteousness and true holiness” (Eph 4:24; cf. Col 3:9–11). This is because they are “His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them”(Eph 2:10).

This glorious conception involves both a re-created “Jerusalem” and“people” (Isa 65:18–19). Interestingly, in Galatians 6 Paul speaks of thenew creation in the context of a transformed “Israel of God” existing inhis day: “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcisionavails anything, but a new creation. and as many as walk according to thisrule, peace and mercy be upon them, even upon the Israel of God” (Gal6:15–16; cf. Ro 2:28–29). In that same epistle, he urges a commitment tothe “Jerusalem above” (the heavenly Jerusalem, Heb 12:22) rather than tothe cast out Jerusalem that now is (the historical capital city of Israel, Gal4:25–26).

The heavenly Jerusalem is the bride of Christ that comes down from God to replace the earthly Jerusalem (Rev 21:2–5) in the first century (Rev 1:1,3; 22:6, 10). With the shaking and destruction of the old Jerusalem in AD70, the heavenly (re-created) Jerusalem replaces her: His “voice then shook the earth; but now He has promised, saying, ‘Yet once more I shake not only the earth, but also heaven.’ Now this, ‘Yet once more,’indicates the removal of those things that are being shaken, as of things that are made [i.e., the Levitical ritual system ], that the things which 102 100. Calvin, Isaiah, 4:397–398. 101. Jn 3:3; Jas 1:18; 1Pe 1:23; 1 Jn 2:29; 3:9; 5:1, 18. 102. Heb 9:11 (cf. vv 2, 8, 24) reads: “Christ came as High Priest of the goodthings to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands,that is, not of this creation.” The old tabernacle/temple system is “made with hands” (Heb 9:24, cf. 2, 11) and is of “this creation,” whereas the new is heavenly(8:5; 9:23). Notice the contextual contrast between Mt. Sinai, where the408 He Shall Have Dominioncannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may serveGod acceptably with reverence and godly fear” (Heb 12:26–28; cp. 8:13).Contrary to amillennialism, there is no “substantial evidence . . . foridentifying [Isaiah 65:17ff] with the perfect eternal state.” We must 103consider Isaiah’s specific statements. He speaks of glorious elevatedconditions — but conditions still continuous with the present. We seethis in the experiences of birth, aging, death, time, sin, and curse: “Nomore shall an infant [‘ol, “suckling”] from there live but a few days, nor anold man who has not fulfilled his days; for the child shall die one hundredyears old, but the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed” (Isa65:20). This is preconsummational, for sinners will not be in the postresurrection perfect state.Adams defends the amillennial interpretation of these elements witha rhetorical question: “How else can perfection be described in wordswhich have imperfect objects and concepts as referents?” The answer 104is: “Easily!” Surely it is not impossible to think of post-resurrectionperfection without mentioning six elements of temporal imperfection inthe same sentence. Could Isaiah not say that in the (eternal, consummate)new heavens “no infants will be born, no one will age, no sin will exist,and the curse forever ceases”? What is so difficult with stating mattersin this way? Does not our Lord inform us that “in the resurrection theyneither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven”(Mt 22:30)?Fellow amillennialist Hoekema also deals with the passagerhetorically by referring to Isaiah 65:19: “Can one imagine death withoutweeping?” This is surely less difficult than imagining death without 105death (cf. 65:20)! But in the context, we must understand the referenceculturally: when God’s blessings come upon his city and people, then willpass away the “old things” (65:17) of cultural judgment, devastation, andsorrow due to sinful rebellion (65:2–8, 11–12). In Isaiah’s day the Lordnotes: “Behold, My servants shall sing for joy of heart, but you shall cryfor sorrow of heart, and wail for grief of spirit” (Isa 65:14). The rejoicingof God in his people collectively considered will lead to the relief of theirceremonial system is received (12:18–21) and heavenly Mt. Zion (12:22–25). 103. Adams, Time Is at Hand, 15. 104. Adams, Time Is at Hand, 15. 105. Hoekema, Bible and the Future, 202.Ch. 14: Eschatological Features 409sorrow caused by his past displeasure and cultural wrath (cf. Dt 28:15ff;Ps 137). No longer will the “cry of distress” be heard from his people (cf.2Sa 22:7; Ps 18:6; Isa 19:20), because the world will be dominated bythem and not by the oppressor (65:25).The covenantal language here shows that culture-wide disinheritancecaused by rebellion will be a thing of the past. Instead, covenantalinheritance will prevail: “They shall build houses and inhabit them; theyshall plant vineyards and eat their fruit. They shall not build and anotherinhabit; they shall not plant and another eat; for as the days of a tree, soshall be the days of My people, and My elect shall long enjoy the work oftheir hands” (Isa 65:21–22). This reverses covenantal curse language(which Isaiah uses so frequently): “You shall betroth a wife, but anotherman shall lie with her; you shall build a house, but you shall not dwell init; you shall plant a vineyard, but shall not gather its grapes” (Dt 28:30;cf. Zep 1:13; Mic 6:15).The new heavens and new earth here (and many places elsewhere)refer to the new covenant era. It characterizes the system-wide transformation that occurs with the coming and spread of the gospel.Conclusion Although one’s millennial view should flow out of a comprehensive understanding of Scripture, often a few particular biblical features playan inordinately significant role in the millennial debate. Misapprehending these discrete features can distort the overall system of biblical eschatology. In this chapter I survey several prominent features of God’s prophetic Word to show how postmillennialism understands them within its eschatological framework. Though opponents deem some of these to be contra-indicative of postmillennialism (e.g., the great tribulation, therebuilding of the temple), they are perfectly accounted for in the postmillennial system. The great tribulation is the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70.The rebuilt temple is the bride of Christ, his body, the church. Explaining the new heaven and new earth language in Isaiah 65 poses no problem for the postmillennialist, nor should it pose a problem for the premillennialist. That a period of unprecedented, literal blessings is instore for mankind prior to the resurrection and the final judgment is nota hermeneutical problem for either system of interpretation. It is, however, a decided problem for the amillennialist
 
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Here on the beast;
Many writers argue that other figures, such as Daniel’s Little Horn, Paul’s Man of Sin, and John’s Beast, refer to a personal, end-time Antichrist: The “organic development of sin finally culminates in the ‘man of sin’ (II Thessalonians 2:3–12). That is the kingdom of Antichrist.”“Plainly the idea [in Rev 13:18] is that the world . . . ultimately will bring forth the antichrist, who is here called the beast.” “Now let me give you my proof that Daniel 7, 2 Thessalonians 2 and Revelation 13 all refer to the Antichrist.” “The New Testament also teaches us to look for a single, final antichrist in the future (see 2Th 2:3–4).” Under “Titles of the Antichrist,” the Popular Encyclopedia of Biblical Prophecy lists “the beast,”“the man of lawlessness, and Daniel’s “little horn.” But these associations are surely mistaken. Not only do none of the contexts of these titles mention the word “Antichrist,” but they actually contradict the explicit references to Antichrist. This is all the more remarkable in that the word “Antichrist” does not even appear in the context of the beast of Revelation, despite the fact that Revelation’s author, John, is the only New Testament writer who does employ the word “Antichrist” elsewhere. The origin of the doctrine of Antichrist in the first century is obscure. It does seem that many Christians think of the Antichrist as a particular individual. John mentions this widespread belief: “You have heard that the Antichrist is coming” (1Jn 2:18b). John’s point in mentioning him, however, is to correct the false views that are confusing his audience. Early Christians are picking up many false eschatological concepts. John even corrects a false notion regarding his own living until Christ’s second advent (Jn 21:22–23). Paul uses a false teaching regarding baptism for the dead to drive a point home regarding the resurrection (1Co 15:29). Paul often urges his followers to hear him and preserve those things he teaches (Php 4:9; 1Th 2:13; 2Ti 1:13; 2:2). We should expect this sort of confusion, for the Lord himself taught his disciples that within his own generation (Mt 24:34) “many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many” (Mt 24:5); “many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many” (Mt 24:11); and “false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect” (Mt 24:24).
 
What verses are you making reference to?Looks like you are piecing random verses together.offer your references
All from revelation. Wouldn't one want to already know them before they commit to a theology?
How about 2 thess 2? The lawless one who set himself up in Gods temple proclaiming himself to be God. He is destroyed by the coming of the Lord. read 2thess 2

The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harmthe grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months.And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. 6 During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

Don't you understand the bowl judgments are the judgments that plunge the beasts kingdom into darkness?
Who defeats that beast and all the armies visible and invisible that are in league with the dragon and beast and false prophet in the battle of the great day of God almighty? Read Rev 16

The Beast out of the Sea​

13 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads,with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

In the days of the sounding of the 5th trumpet of God the abyss is opened
Who kills the 2 witnesses in Rev 11?
Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts,because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.

Rev 13
The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months.6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.[b]

Whoever has ears, let them hear.

10 “If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity they will go.
If anyone is to be killed[c] with the sword,
with the sword they will be killed.”[d]
This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God’s people.
 
All from revelation.
ok, it helps to know what is on your mind.
Wouldn't one want to already know them before they commit to a theology?
Why do you assume that these verses have not been considered?
Why do you assume other views have not been looked at?




How about 2 thess 2? The lawless one who set himself up in Gods temple proclaiming himself to be God. He is destroyed by the coming of the Lord. read 2thess 2
This was written to that church in the first century.They knew who he was speaking about.

The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harmthe grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months.And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. 6 During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

Don't you understand the bowl judgments are the judgments that plunge the beasts kingdom into darkness?
Who defeats that beast and all the armies visible and invisible that are in league with the dragon and beast and false prophet in the battle of the great day of God almighty? Read Rev 16
Some see this as the destruction of Jerusalem, that has already happened by 70ad.

 
Don't assume anything. Test and prove whatever is claimed or said, BEFORE accepting it. If it is not proven true and completely in line and in perfect harmony with Scripture do not listen to it nor to any more from the same source = false gospels are much more common than true gospel.

Most "-isms" are at best of man, of the flesh, carnals, not spiritual, thus not good for anything. Test and prove each point if God Directs. Then if there is a reason to. If there is not a reason to, in God's Plan, then don't bother testing - just don't listen or accept it.

Often in person and often online it is seeable that something is false without even knowing what it is ! It is possible to know by the conscience God Grants , and by the activity of the people promoting it: how they act and how they re-act to suffering, criticism, and other factors. It is not meant here to study false teachers at all, rather to have a single eye, a single heart, a single mind with and on and in JESUS.

Those outside of JESUS will be obvious then, without studying them or their message. This is a generalized statement of truth - specifics might be revealed by God Himself. People are deceived daily, every day, and there is a multitude of ways and reasons for deception,

but only one JESUS. HE IS OUR SAVIOR and OUR HEALER.
 
That is why the discussion takes place.
No discussion, just exchange of opinions, your words against mind, and ultimately, your sources against mine. Although we both read the same bible, I can tell that your source rarely teaches biblical prophecies, because in your teacher’s view they were already fulfilled, we’re living in New Jerusalem now even though it looks more similar to Nazi Germany in the 1930s; mine is sober-minded on where we’re, and never shy on prophecies, reading them literally and teaching them faithfully.
 
ok, it helps to know what is on your mind.

Why do you assume that these verses have not been considered?
Why do you assume other views have not been looked at?





This was written to that church in the first century.They knew who he was speaking about.

Some see this as the destruction of Jerusalem, that has already happened by 70ad.
The mount of olives was spilt in two to make a way of escape from the surrounding armies as I "read" in Zech 14. Armies that will be destroyed by the Lord not man. That didn't happen in the 1st century.
 
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