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Pre-incarnate appearances of Christ

John 9:8-9 (KJV): 8 The neighbours therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged? 9 Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he. (egō eimi).


Joh 8:58 SaidG2036 G5627 V-AIA-3S Eipen Εἶπεν to themG846 PPro-DM3P autois αὐτοῖς Jesus,G2424 N-NMS Iēsous, Ἰησοῦς, Truly,G281 Heb Amēn, Ἀμὴν, truly,G281 Heb amēn, ἀμὴν, I sayG3004 G5719 V-PIA-1S legō λέγω to you,G4771 PPro-D2P hymin, ὑμῖν, beforeG4250 Adv prin πρὶν AbrahamG11 N-AMS Abraam Ἀβραὰμ was,G1096 G5635 V-ANM genesthai, γενέσθαι, IG1473 PPro-N1S egō ἐγὼ am.G1510 G5748 V-PIA-1S eimi. εἰμί. N1

Transliteration: egō
Morphology: PPro-N1S
Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Nominative 1st Person Singular
Strong's no.: G1473 (ἐγώ)
Meaning: I, the first-person pronoun.

Transliteration: eimi
Morphology: V-PIA-1S
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 1st Person Singular
Strong's no.: G1510 (εἰμί)
Meaning: To be, exist.


Before Abraham was (prin Abraam genesthai). Usual idiom with prin in positive sentence with infinitive (second aorist middle of ginomai) and the accusative of general reference, “before coming as to Abraham,” “before Abraham came into existence or was born.”
I am (egō eimi).

Undoubtedly here Jesus claims eternal existence with the absolute phrase used of God. The contrast between genesthai (entrance into existence of Abraham) and eimi (timeless being) is complete.


See the same contrast between en in Joh_1:1 and egeneto in Joh_1:14. See the contrast also in Psa_90:2 between God (ei, art) and the mountains (genēthēnai). See the same use of eimi in Joh_6:20; Joh_9:9; Joh_8:24, Joh_8:28; Joh_18:6.
RWS
Was, I am (γενέσθαι, ἐγώ εἰμι)

It is important to observe the distinction between the two verbs. Abraham's life was under the conditions of time, and therefore had a temporal beginning. Hence, Abraham came into being, or was born (γενέσθαι).

Jesus' life was from and to eternity. Hence the formula for absolute, timeless existence, I am (ἐγώ εἰμι). See on Joh_1:3; see on Joh_7:34.
Vincent


I am - The expression I am, though in the present tense, is clearly designed to refer to a past time. Thus, in Psa_90:2, “From everlasting to everlasting thou art God.” Applied to God, it denotes continued existence without respect to time, so far as he is concerned. We divide time into the past, the present, and the future. The expression, applied to God, denotes that he does not measure his existence in this manner, but that the word by which we express the present denotes his continued and unchanging existence. Hence, he assumes it as his name, “I AM,” and “I AM that I AM,” Exo_3:14. Compare Isa_44:6; Isa_47:8.

There is a remarkable similarity between the expression employed by Jesus in this place and that used in Exodus to denote the name of God. The manner in which Jesus used it would strikingly suggest the application of the same language to God. The question here was about his pre-existence. The objection of the Jews was that he was not 50 years old, and could not, therefore, have seen Abraham. Jesus replied to that that he existed before Abraham. As in his human nature he was not yet 50 years old, and could not, as a man, have existed before Abraham, this declaration must be referred to another nature; and the passage proves that, while he was a man, he was also endowed with another nature existing before Abraham, and to which he applied the term (familiar to the Jews as expressive of the existence of God) I AM; and this declaration corresponds to the affirmation of John Joh_1:1, that he was in the beginning with God, and was God. This affirmation of Jesus is one of the proofs on which John relies to prove that he was the Messiah Joh_20:31, to establish which was the design of writing this book.
Barnes

(251) πρὶν Αβραὰμ γενέσθαι, ἐγώ εἰμι. Our Author’s idea, to which he merely alludes, appears to be that, instead of saying, ἐγὼ ἐγενόμνη, or, ἐγὼ γίνομαι, Christ purposely said, ἐγώ εἰμι, because the verb εἰμῖ, standing contrasted with γενέσθαι, would convey the idea of underived existence. — Ed
(252) “Une vertu plus qu’humaine.”



John 8:58
Joh_8:58. The misunderstanding of His words elicits from Jesus the statement: πρὶν Αβραὰμ γενέσθαι, ἐγώ εἰμι. “Before Abraham was born I am.” “Antequam Abraham fieret, Ego sum,” Vulgate. Plummer aptly compares Psa_90:2, πρὸ τοῦ ὄρη γενηθῆναι … σὺ εἶ. Before Abraham came into existence I am, eternally existent. No stronger affirmation of pre-existence occurs, and Beyschlag’s subtle attempt to evade the meaning is unsuccessful.
Exp-Greek

TrevorL -I have made the case for Jesus's timeless pre-existence-the burden of proof is upon you to refute this.

Shalom
Johann.
 
You claim that there is no doubt that Jesus claims eternal existence here in John 8:58 with the absolute phrase used of God, and yet you give a list of other occurrences of the same phrase in other passages.
The I AM who exists

In several places the I AM is used in connection with Yahweh’s timelessness or his eternal existence, that he is the God who has been there from the very beginning and shall continue to be there till the very end:

“Who has wrought and done these things? he has called it who called it from the generations of old; I, God, am first, and to all futurity, I am (ego eimi).” Isaiah 41:4

“Hear me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of Israel, who are borne by me from the womb, and taught by me from infancy. Until your old age I am (ego eimi), and until you shall have grown old I am (ego eimi); I bear you, I have made, and I will set free, I will take up and save you.” Isaiah 46:3-4

“Hear me, O Jacob, and Israel whom I call; I am the first, and I am (ego eimi) forever/into eternity.” Isaiah 48:12

Apparently this is how the translators of the LXX understood the meaning of the Hebrew phrase in Exodus 3:13-14, namely Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh (“I AM/WILL BE WHAT I AM/WILL BE”) since they translated it in the following manner:

“And Moses said to God, Behold, I shall go forth to the children of Israel, and shall say to them, The God of our fathers has sent me to you; and they will ask me, What is his name? What shall I say to them? And God spoke to Moses, saying, I am THE ONE WHO IS/THE BEING (ego eimi ho on); and he said, Thus shall ye say to the children of Israel, THE ONE WHO IS/THE BEING (ho on) has sent me to you.”

The Greek word ho is the definite article “the,” while on is the present participle of eimi. The present participle in Greek expresses continuous or repeated action or state. And yet since both on and eimi are in the present tense they basically have the same meaning.

Thus, by using ho on the Jewish translators seemed to have understood Exodus 3:14 to be emphasizing God’s timelessness as well as stressing the fact that Yahweh is the necessary Being from which all other beings spring forth. After all, the Jews knew that their God is the One who simply is, being pure existence:

“Surely vain are all men by nature, who are ignorant of God, and could not out of the good things that are seen know him that is: neither by considering the works did they acknowledge the workmaster;” Wisdom 13:1

They realized that without the One who always is all other beings could never exist. As one renowned Bible commentator explained it:

EHEYEH asher EHEYEH. These words have been variously understood. The Vulgate translates EGO SUM QUI SUM, I am who am. The Septuagint… I am he who exists. The Syriac, the Persic, and the Chaldee preserve the original words without any gloss. The Arabic paraphrases them, The Eternal, who passes not away; which is the same interpretation given by Abul Farajius, who also preserves the original words, and gives the above as their interpretation. The Targum of Jonathan, and the Jerusalem Targum paraphrase the words thus: "He who spake, and the world was; who spake, and all things existed." As the original words literally signify, I will be what I will be, some have supposed that God simply designed to inform Moses, that what he had been to his fathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, he would be to him and the Israelites; and that he would perform the promises he had made to his fathers, by giving their descendants the promised land. It is difficult to put a meaning on the words; they seem intended to point out the eternity and self-existence of God. Plato, in his Parmenides, where he treats sublimely of the nature of God, says… nothing can express his nature; therefore no name can be attributed to him…

IN this chapter we have much curious and important information; but what is most interesting is the name by which God was pleased to make himself known to Moses and to the Israelites, a name by which the Supreme Being was afterwards known among the wisest inhabitants of the earth. HE who IS and who WILL BE what he IS. This is a proper characteristic of the Divine Being, who is, properly speaking, the only BEING, because he is independent and eternal; whereas all other beings, in whatsoever forms they may appear, are derived, finite, changeable, and liable to destruction, decay, and even to annihilation. When God, therefore, announced himself to Moses by this name, he proclaimed his own eternity and immateriality; and the very name itself precludes the possibility of idolatry, because it was impossible for the mind, in considering it, to represent the Divine Being in any assignable shape; for who could represent BEING or Existence by any limited form? And who can have any idea of a form that is unlimited? Thus, then, we find that the first discovery which God made of himself was intended to show the people the simplicity and spirituality of his nature; that while they considered him as BEING, and the Cause of all BEING, they might be preserved from all idolatry for ever. The very name itself is a proof of a Divine revelation; for it is not possible that such an idea could have ever entered into the mind of man, unless it had been communicated from above. It could not have been produced by reasoning, for there were no premises on which it could be built, nor any analogies by which it could have been formed. We can as easily comprehend eternity as we can being, simply considered in and of itself, when nothing of assignable forms, colours, or qualities existed, besides its infinite and illimitable self.

To this Divine discovery the ancient Greeks owed the inscription which they placed above the door of the temple of Apollo at Delphi: the whole of the inscription consisted in the simple monosyllable EI, THOU ART, the second person of the Greek substantive verb… I am. On this inscription Plutarch, one of the most intelligent of all the Gentile philosophers, made an express treatise… having received the true interpretation in his travels in Egypt, whither he had gone for the express purpose of inquiring into their ancient learning, and where he had doubtless seen these words of God to Moses in the Greek version of the Septuagint, which had been current among the Egyptians (for whose sake it was first made) about four hundred years previously to the death of Plutarch. This philosopher observes that "this title is not only proper, but peculiar to God, because HE alone is being; for mortals have no participation of true being, because that which begins and ends, and is continually changing, is never one nor the same, nor in the same state. The deity on whose temple this word was inscribed was called Apollo… from… negative… and… many, because God is ONE, his nature simple, his essence uncompounded." Hence he informs us the ancient mode of addressing God was, "EI ‘EN, Thou art One… for many cannot be attributed to the Divine nature… in which there is neither first nor last, future nor past, old nor young… but as being one, fills up in one NOW an eternal duration." And he concludes with observing that "this word corresponds to certain others on the same temple, viz.,… Know thyself; as if, under the name EI, THOU ART, the Deity designed to excite men to venerate HIM as eternally existing… and to put them in mind of the frailty and mortality of their own nature."

What beautiful things have the ancient Greek philosophers stolen from the testimonies of God to enrich their own works, without any kind of acknowledgment! And, strange perversity of man! these are the very things which we so highly applaud in the heathen copies, while we neglect or pass them by in the Divine originals! (The Adam Clarke Commentary; underline emphasis ours)

This next Biblical expositor concurs:

And God said unto Moses, I am that I am…
This signifies the real being of God, his self-existence, and that he is the Being of beings; as also it denotes his eternity and immutability, and his constancy and faithfulness in fulfilling his promises, for it includes all time, past, present, and to come; and the sense is, not only I am what I am at present, but I am what I have been, and I am what I shall be, and shall be what I am. The Platonists and Pythagoreans seem to have borrowed their (to on) from hence, which expresses with them the eternal and invariable Being; and so the Septuagint version here is (o wn): it is said, that the temple of Minerva at Sais, a city of Egypt, had this inscription on it,

“I am all that exists, is, and shall be.”

And on the temple of Apollo at Delphos was written (ei), the contraction of (eimi), "I am". Our Lord seems to refer to this name, (John 8:58), and indeed is the person that now appeared; and the words may be rendered, "I shall be what I shall be" the incarnate God, God manifest in the flesh: (The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible; underline emphasis ours)

As does the following scholar:

In spite of suggestions to the contrary, such a use of the verb haya to designate existence fully agrees with what we otherwise know of the Hebrew language. Here I offer some examples in which we observe that the verb ‘to be’ is negated, signifying that a distinction was clearly perceived between existence and non-existence.

No lion shall be [lo’ haya] there (Isa 35:9).

Would that I had died before any eye had seen me,

and were as though I had not been [lo’ haya] (Job 10:18-19)

… but better than both is he who has not yet been [lo’ haya] (Eccl 4:3)

There are others who are unremembered:

They are dead, and it is as though they had never existed [lo’ haya] (Sir 44:9)










Further reading-
 
Greetings again Johann!@#,
I have made the case for Jesus's timeless pre-existence-the burden of proof is upon you to refute this.
No, I have made the case for the rendition "I am he", the same as John 8:24 and John 8:28. In John 8:28 Jesus is not claiming Divinity, but speaks about his absolute dependence on God his Father. Seeing you are so good at languages and words, please check the fact that Exodus 3:14 should be rendered "I will be" and is not speaking about timeless existence. It is speaking about the fact that God would be with Moses to deliver Israel out of Egypt. Refer Tyndale, RV and RSV margins, Englisman's, AB Davidson, Rotherham and other scholars.

As to your next post I consider the LXX "I am THE BEING" a poor translation of the Hebrew "Ehyeh asher Ehyeh". Please check the Hebrew of Exodus 3:14 and its immediate context and Exodus 6:1-8 which speaks about activity not existence.

I am not interested in playing your game. You seem to have endless reference material.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
I am not interested in playing your game. You seem to have endless reference material.
I am not here to play games-not when it comes to the Scriptures.

Behold, behold that I AM he (ego eimi), and there is no god beside me: I kill, and I will make alive: I will smite, and I will heal; and there is none who shall deliver out of my hands. Deuteronomy 32:39 LXX

All the nations are gathered together, and princes shall be gathered out of them: who will declare these things? Or who will declare to you things from the beginning? Let them bring forth their witnesses, and be justified; and let them hear, and declare the truth. Be ye my witnesses, and I too am a witness, saith the Lord God, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know, and believe (hina gnote kai pisteuseete), and understand that I AM he (ego eimi): before me there was no other God, and after me there shall be none.

I am God; and beside me there is no Savior. I have declared and have said; I have reproached, and there was no strange god among you: ye are my witnesses that I am the Lord God, even from the beginning; and there is none that can deliver out of my hands: I will work, and who shall turn it back? Isaiah 43:9-13 LXX

I, even I, am he (ego eimi ego eimi - I AM I AM) that blots out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and thy sins; I will not remember them. Isaiah 43:25 LXX

Yahweh as the I AM gives life, puts to death, foretells the future, has sovereign power to prevent anyone from delivering out of his hand, and blots out sins.

Let us contrast this with the claims of Jesus:

"And He said to them, ‘You are from beneath; I AM FROM ABOVE. You are of this world; I am not of this world. Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He (ego eimi), you will die in your sins.’" John 8:23-24

"My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I GIVE THEM ETERNAL LIFE, and they shall never perish; NO ONE CAN SNATCH THEM OUT OF MY HAND. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one." John 10:27-30

"I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I AM (hina hotan geneetai pisteuseete ego eimi)." John 13:19

Christ claims to be the I AM who is from above. Being the I AM, Christ can give eternal life, preserve believers from perishing, has sovereign power to prevent anyone from snatching any true believer out of his hand, and foretells the future. Christ can also choose to forgive or not to forgive sins, depending on whether a person accepts or rejects his claim of being the I AM. This identifies Christ as the very I AM of Isaiah 43:25 who blots out sins for his own sake.

We see that Jesus’ I AM statements clearly identify him as Yahweh God, which in turn identify him with the I AM of Exodus 3:14! This is further substantiated by the fact that the One speaking as the Ehyeh in Exodus 3:14 is the Angel of Yahweh/God. The following articles provide the biblical evidence showing that this Angel is none other than our preincarnate Lord Jesus Christ:

You have a blessed day.
Johann.
 
Greetings again Johann!@#,
We see that Jesus’ I AM statements clearly identify him as Yahweh God, which in turn identify him with the I AM of Exodus 3:14! This is further substantiated by the fact that the One speaking as the Ehyeh in Exodus 3:14 is the Angel of Yahweh/God. The following articles provide the biblical evidence showing that this Angel is none other than our preincarnate Lord Jesus Christ:

EHEYEH asher EHEYEH. These words have been variously understood. ... As the original words literally signify, I will be what I will be
Your article verifies the correct rendition.

Exodus 3:12-14 (Tyndale): 12 And he sayde: I wilbe with the. And this shalbe a token vnto the that I haue sent the: after that thou hast broughte the people out of Egipte, ye shall serue God vppon this mountayne. 13 Than sayde Moses vnto God: when I come vnto the childern of Israell and saye vnto them, the God of youre fathers hath sent me vnto you, ad they saye vnto me, what ys his name, what answere shall I geuethem? 14 Then sayde God vnto Moses: I wilbe what I wilbe: ad he sayde, this shalt thou saye vnto the children of Israel: I wilbe dyd send me to you.

The word “ehyeh” that occurs is in Exodus 3:14 and is the same that occurs in the earlier statement in v12 rendered in the KJV “I will be”, and here most other translators also give the future tense:
Exodus 3:12 (KJV): And he said, Certainly I will be with thee; and this shall be a token unto thee, that I have sent thee: When thou hast brought forth the people out of Egypt, ye shall serve God upon this mountain.
Not only does this fix the tense in this context, but it also introduces the concept that the Name of God is associated with some future activity.

This future tense and future activity was to be God acting to deliver Israel out of Egypt, “I will be with thee”, so that Israel would become a people for His Name. They would be a living witness to the purpose of God, and a witness to the existence of God. The following passage emphasises this work of delivering Israel with the future aspect of the Name:
Exodus 6:1-8 (KJV): 1 Then the LORD said unto Moses, Now shalt thou see what I will do to Pharaoh: for with a strong hand shall he let them go, and with a strong hand shall he drive them out of his land. 2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD: 3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH (or Yahweh) was I not known to them. 4 And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their pilgrimage, wherein they were strangers. 5 And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant. 6 Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments: 7 And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians. 8 And I will bring you in unto the land, concerning the which I did swear to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for an heritage: I am the LORD.

When Israel was delivered out of Egypt the Name of God remains the same, but the particular activity has been accomplished:
Exodus 15:1-3 (KJV): 1 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the LORD, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea. 2 The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father’s God, and I will exalt him. 3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD (Yahweh) is his name.
The future tense of God’s Name “He will be or become” has been accomplished, and Yahweh had become Israel’s salvation.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
Greetings again Johann!@#,
Many interpret Jesus’ words as directed towards human rulers but a reading of the source, Psalm 82 shows that he is referring to the divine council in heaven who were judged for injustice (to whom the word of God came).
I reject this view and consider that Psalm 82:6 is speaking about the Judges in Israel and their responsibility to faithfully administer the Law, the word of God that they had received. Sadly those to whom the Psalm is addressed and by inference the Sanhedrin of Jesus' day were unfaithful as they also opposed Jesus and persecute him.
You reject this view since you are dead set against the Pre-incarnate Christ Jesus.
I reject that view after carefully considering all the related passages. Is the following speaking about a Divine Council or the misdeeds of unjust Judges:
Psalm 82:2–4 (KJV): 2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. 3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. 4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
I thought it would be beneficial to add a few details on the Judges in Israel, the fact that they were called "Elohim" and their responsibility to administer the Law faithfully. This was discussed because the following which was quoted by Jesus when his opponents falsely accused Jesus of claiming to be “making himself God”:
Psalm 82:6 (KJV): I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Looking at some of the verses to explain where and how these Judges were called “gods” or “Elohim”. It is interesting how different Bible versions have translated the first two references below, and these are where the Judges were called "Elohim":
Exodus 21:6 (KJV): 6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.

Exodus 21:6 (NASB95): then his master shall bring him to God, then he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him permanently.

Exodus 22:8-9 (KJV): 8 If the thief be not found, then the master of the house shall be brought unto the judges, to see whether he have put his hand unto his neighbour’s goods. 9 For all manner of trespass, whether it be for ox, for ass, for sheep, for raiment, or for any manner of lost thing, which another challengeth to be his, the cause of both parties shall come before the judges; and whom the judges shall condemn, he shall pay double unto his neighbour.

Exodus 22:8–9 (NASB95): 8 “If the thief is not caught, then the owner of the house shall appear before the judges, to determine whether he laid his hands on his neighbor’s property. 9 “For every breach of trust, whether it is for ox, for donkey, for sheep, for clothing, or for any lost thing about which one says, ‘This is it,’ the case of both parties shall come before the judges; he whom the judges condemn shall pay double to his neighbor.

Exodus 22:8–9 (ESV): 8 If the thief is not found, the owner of the house shall come near to God to show whether or not he has put his hand to his neighbor’s property. 9 For every breach of trust, whether it is for an ox, for a donkey, for a sheep, for a cloak, or for any kind of lost thing, of which one says, ‘This is it,’ the case of both parties shall come before God. The one whom God condemns shall pay double to his neighbor.


All the translations are adequate in a sense, but they do not reveal the unique feature that Jesus mentions, that the actual Judges were called gods, Elohim or God. When a person came before the Judges they were coming before God, because the Judges represented God.

Some other relevant verses that speak of the responsibility of the Judges are:
Deuteronomy 1:17 (KJV): Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God’s: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it.

2 Chronicles 19:6 (KJV): And said to the judges, Take heed what ye do: for ye judge not for man, but for the LORD, who is with you in the judgment.


Both of these passages give an insight into why the Judges were called “Elohim”. They were acting on behalf of God and God was with them when they were judging (faithfully).

This unique feature of the Scriptural revelation and language is also a bridge to the position and status of Jesus, whom we may address as:
John 20:28 (KJV): And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

This also links with the Divine Name “Yahweh”, properly translated as “He who will be”. The One God, Yahweh, God the Father would reveal himself in and through other individuals, and in the greatest fulfilment, our Lord Jesus Christ. When we look at Jesus we see God the Father revealed:

John 14:8–11 (KJV): 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.

Jesus is not God the Son, revealing God the Son the second person of the Trinity. Jesus is the Son of God, revealing the One God, God the Father.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
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