pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

[Watchmen for Christ]

Re: pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy of satan to deceive

A pre trib believer is not going to fall for a false Christ "coming to get them". There is no time to stand around and Guess or fall for a false Christ. We are just Gone. If someone or thing trys to convince us other wise, we KNOW that it is false.


* the only problem with that is:

1. Jesus Christ says the tares (children of satan) are gathered first then wheat
2. Jesus Christ said NAY when they angels asked if they should gather the tares least they uproot the wheat with the tares , matt 13
3. Jesus Christ tells the reapers to wait till the end of the world and gather the tares 1st to be burned matt 13
4.no scripture exists that says Jesus Christ comes before the tribulation
5.paul never says Jesus Christ parousia is pre trib _______ never once!
6.Both Jesus Christ the Lord and paul warn believers to take heed,be not deceived ,shaken in mind, ignorant concerning the Lord's parousia
7. Jesus Christ warns believers false Christs come claiming to be Him prior to the rapture to Him at the 2nd advent when He returns to Jerusalem.
8.paul warns twice the the Lord's Day shall not come before satan and repeats the Lord is him who's parousia is after the working of satan with all power signs and lying wonders
9.Jesus warns believers we will be betrayed beaten and delivered to death yet not to meditate on what we will say for He will give us what to say through the Holy Spirit
10. we who are alive and remain meet the Lord and the saved dead already in heaven in spiritual bodies AER=g109 breath as in g4151 spirit


1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.


the First resurrection has already begun, Jesus ascended and so do we as members of His body (IF saved) no need for a Christian's soul to sleep as God is able to bring us to HIS Son in the spirit as Stephan :
Matthew 27:50-54

King James Version (KJV)

50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.





The pre trib rapture is the ONLY sign before the tribulation, it ushers in the tribulation. Before the Rapture and I stress before the rapture, mid trib and post trib believers are open to deception because they do not believe in the pre trib rapture of the Church.


* what about Israel becoming a nation for the 1st time in 2000yrs in 1948?

we must not fall away to the deception and add on to scripture of a pre trib timing of the rapture because scripture doesn't teach it.

Jesus Christ however does teach His coming and our gathering to Him is after the tribulation of false Christs in matt 24:21-31:

Matthew 24:21-31

Jesus warns against the event many call a pre trib rapture today :


21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.25 Behold, I have told you before.26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.


Jesus tells believers His coming and our gathering is AFTER the tribulation:



29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


A.pre trib rapture=false Christs/ purging of tares/satan claiming to be God
after the tribulation
B.Lord's Parousia and the Har*pad*zo to Him returning to Jerusalem zech14/acts1



Mid trib and post trib believers have a chance at believing that the tribulation has started or may be started in a time when It has not. None of us will be around for the Tribulation,


*Yet no scripture exists that says none of us will be around,no scripture says Jesus Christ parousia is pre trib and most importantly brother the Lord Jesus Christ says the tares are gathered first and His coming is after the trib.
Jesus says believers are betrayed beaten and delivered to death, false Christs are coming claiming to be Him and for us NOT to follow after them His coming is after they come, better read for yourself and see what Jesus actually says instead of what many claim paul says, brother.




we are all gone before it starts no matter what we believe in the timing of the Rapture. But before the rapture happens we could possibly be making Tribulation decisions and actions when The actual tribulation isn't for the Church.[/QUOTE]

* Brother why would one believe another timing other than what Jesus Christ says? the Lord says His return is after the tribulation so please if you will ,post the verse where paul actually says Jesus parousia is pre trib when even paul teaches a post trib gathering as Christ Jesus does.

rev 7 proves not only do 12000 from each tribe but thankfully a great multitude of ALL nations tongues and kindred makes it out of the great tribulation of false Christs undefiling our garments because we know we must refuse the pre trib rapture as the coming of false Christs matt 24:4-5,mark5-6,luke 21:8,matt 24:21-31,mark 13:19-29,luke 21:19-29,rev 19 and satan claiming to be God 2th2,rev 12-14


pre trib rapture is a mistiming the post trib coming of Christ to coincide with the coming of false Christs to lead many astray to be deceived into satan worship as foolish virgins , tares thrown into the fire for not listening & believing our Lord


thanks for your comments

 

[Watchmen for Christ]

Re: pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy of satan to deceive

Matthew 24:21 "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

Matthew 24:22 "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

Now,how is it you all get raptured,yet the Elect of God are still here?????

How does Christ get out of Heaven to rapture you all anyway

Acts 3:19 "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;"

Acts 3:20 "And He shall send Jesus Christ, Which before was preached unto you:"

We are talking about the second advent here, when that office of Savior will be filled, and God will send His Son again. But there is a very special time that must come first, when Michael and his angels cast Satan and his angels to the earth, for that five month period.

Acts 3:21 "Whom the heaven must receive unto the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began."

Christ must remain in heaven until the times of restitution of all things. The "restitution of all things" is "Apokatastasis" in the Greek, and means the re-establishment of all things from a state of ruin. All the prophets have talked of this time of the Millennium since this world age begin.
It is written that on the first day of the Millennium age, at Christ's return, every knee shall bow to Christ. Romans 14:11; "For it is written, "As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God." Jesus is quoting here from Isaiah 45:22, 23; "Look unto Me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else." [22] "I have sworn by Myself, the word is gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear." [23]

:amen

 

[Watchmen for Christ]

Re: pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy of satan to deceive

Hello brothers,
Excuse my ignorance on this terminology but what is actually meant by "post trib rapture"?
Is this still a "secret return of the Lord" for his church prior to his bodily return and the resurrection?
Or, is this "pretrib rapture" one and the same as the bodily return of the Lord to the earth at the resurrection?

Thanks, Hope of glory

Hello Hope

I prefer to not use the term rapture,at all....I believe in the 2nd coming of Christ,and our gathering to Him,right here on earth.......

:yes

 

[farouk]

Re: pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy of satan to deceive

Rapture means the church being 'caught up' (1 Thess. 4). Use it or don't use it; the meaning is there.

 

[Watchmen for Christ]

Re: pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy of satan to deceive

Rapture means the church being 'caught up' (1 Thess. 4). Use it or don't use it; the meaning is there.

thankfully Jesus Christ warns us prior to His post trib return and the rapture for wheat , false Christs will come claiming to be Him and paul says before the Lord's parousia and our gathering the falling away and working of satan comes in a "fake" holy event matt 24:21-31,II thess 2:1-12, mark 13,luke 21,rev 12-14 while we the wheat refuse the event of satan and wait for the post trib gathering of His elect/wheat

Matthew 24:29-31

King James Version (KJV)

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[farouk]

Re: pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy of satan to deceive

Rapture means the church being 'caught up' (1 Thess. 4). Use it or don't use it; the meaning is there.

thankfully Jesus Christ warns us prior to His post trib return and the rapture for wheat , false Christs will come claiming to be Him and paul says before the Lord's parousia and our gathering the falling away and working of satan comes in a "fake" holy event matt 24:21-31,II thess 2:1-12, mark 13,luke 21,rev 12-14 while we the wheat refuse the event of satan and wait for the post trib gathering of His elect/wheat

Matthew 24:29-31

King James Version (KJV)

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

...and verse 21 of Matthew 24 makes it clear that the great tribulation is a unique event on earth. This will be a time of great judgment and purging for those on earth, so that a remnant may recognize the Lord Jesus for Who He is. The church, a heavenly people, who shall be 'caught up' (1 Thess. 4) in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (not on earth) are not going to be purged in order to recognize Who the Lord Jesus really is, because they already do and they are already waiting for Him in expectancy, in principle.

 

[n2thelight]

Re: pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy of satan to deceive

Rapture means the church being 'caught up' (1 Thess. 4). Use it or don't use it; the meaning is there.

thankfully Jesus Christ warns us prior to His post trib return and the rapture for wheat , false Christs will come claiming to be Him and paul says before the Lord's parousia and our gathering the falling away and working of satan comes in a "fake" holy event matt 24:21-31,II thess 2:1-12, mark 13,luke 21,rev 12-14 while we the wheat refuse the event of satan and wait for the post trib gathering of His elect/wheat

Matthew 24:29-31

King James Version (KJV)

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

...and verse 21 of Matthew 24 makes it clear that the great tribulation is a unique event on earth. This will be a time of great judgment and purging for those on earth, so that a remnant may recognize the Lord Jesus for Who He is. The church, a heavenly people, who shall be 'caught up' (1 Thess. 4) in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (not on earth) are not going to be purged in order to recognize Who the Lord Jesus really is, because they already do and they are already waiting for Him in expectancy, in principle.

Where is the rapture verse in Matt 24?????

 

[Watchmen for Christ]

Re: pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy of satan to deceive

Rapture means the church being 'caught up' (1 Thess. 4). Use it or don't use it; the meaning is there.

thankfully Jesus Christ warns us prior to His post trib return and the rapture for wheat , false Christs will come claiming to be Him and paul says before the Lord's parousia and our gathering the falling away and working of satan comes in a "fake" holy event matt 24:21-31,II thess 2:1-12, mark 13,luke 21,rev 12-14 while we the wheat refuse the event of satan and wait for the post trib gathering of His elect/wheat

Matthew 24:29-31

King James Version (KJV)

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

...and verse 21 of Matthew 24 makes it clear that the great tribulation is a unique event on earth.

unique as it's the last trump, heaven and earth is on fire IIpet 3 and Jesus Christ is returning and sending His angels to gather the elect we who are alive and remaining joing the Lord and the saved dead returning with Him after the tribulation as paul quotes matt 24:30-31 in I thess 4 and paul makes clear the timing of the Lord's return and our gathering is after the working of satan the same as Jesus teaches




This will be a time of great judgment and purging for those on earth, so that a remnant may recognize the Lord Jesus for Who He is. The church, a heavenly people, who shall be 'caught up' (1 Thess. 4) in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (not on earth) are not going to be purged in order to recognize Who the Lord Jesus really is, because they already do and they are already waiting for Him in expectancy, in principle.

no verse says the church will be caught up before the tribulation, Jesus says His gathering is after the trib and the tares are gathered first so why would someone not believe Jesus? paul says why many fall away to the great delusion in
II thess 2:10-12



they will be IF they see the false Christs coming first claiming to be Jesus Christ with signs and lying wonders to seduce. what will those who think Christ is coming BEFORE HE said gonna do when they mistake false Christs and follow after them?

hopefully if they are gathered to satan on the mount and realize their mistake they will flee to the mountains before Jesus Christ comes to cut down the armies of satan, hopefully they won't fall for the pre trib rapture.

good talking to you again

 

[Watchmen for Christ]

Re: pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy of satan to deceive

Rapture means the church being 'caught up' (1 Thess. 4). Use it or don't use it; the meaning is there.

thankfully Jesus Christ warns us prior to His post trib return and the rapture for wheat , false Christs will come claiming to be Him and paul says before the Lord's parousia and our gathering the falling away and working of satan comes in a "fake" holy event matt 24:21-31,II thess 2:1-12, mark 13,luke 21,rev 12-14 while we the wheat refuse the event of satan and wait for the post trib gathering of His elect/wheat

Matthew 24:29-31

King James Version (KJV)

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

...and verse 21 of Matthew 24 makes it clear that the great tribulation is a unique event on earth. This will be a time of great judgment and purging for those on earth, so that a remnant may recognize the Lord Jesus for Who He is. The church, a heavenly people, who shall be 'caught up' (1 Thess. 4) in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (not on earth) are not going to be purged in order to recognize Who the Lord Jesus really is, because they already do and they are already waiting for Him in expectancy, in principle.

Where is the rapture verse in Matt 24?????

Matthew 24:29-31

King James Version (KJV)

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1 Corinthians 15:50-53

King James Version (KJV)

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, ( II pet 4:7-14 )

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


flesh=corruptible, spirit=incorruptible, mortal=able to die , immortality=belief on Jesus Christ/refusing to worship satan





2 Peter 3:7-14

King James Version (KJV)

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
tares being thrown into the fire while the bride goes to the wedding



8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.



Day of Jesus Christ the Lord 1000yrs and begins when He returns after the tribulation, Lord's will none should perish

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.


the Lord comes as a thief on them who fall away to the false Christs thinking Jesus has already come,the Brightness of His post trib coming destroys the elements (evil angels) while we believers stand like the 3 in the furnace for we don't defile our wedding garments and are spotless and blameless to satan worship

1 Thessalonians 4:13-17King James Version (KJV)

13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


As you and I believe the dead in Christ Jesus are already with Him and return with Him (zech 14/Jude 1:14-15,rev 19) we who are alive and remain meet the Lord and His saints in the aer =breath g4151=
spirit. since Jesus has ascended up to heaven so do we if we believe He rose I thess 4:13-14 so will He bring us with Him after the tribulation according to Jesus in matt 24:29-31



1 Corinthians 15:44

King James Version (KJV)

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.




Matthew 27:50-54

The First resurrection has already begun and continues daily:


50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.




John 11:24-26

King James Version (KJV)

24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?



Our gathering together (aka post trib rapture/harvest of believers/wheat/elect) is to Jesus Christ returning to Jerusalem bring His bride (died saved) to meet the rest )a;ive and remain) of us who refused to defile our garments by following after the false Christs leading to worship satan. Peter explains why we all change as the heavens and earth will be on fire and rev 19-20 the fowls of the air eat the flesh of all men.



flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom


:amen

 

[n2thelight]

Re: pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy of satan to deceive

Our gathering together (aka post trib rapture/harvest of believers/wheat/elect) is to Jesus Christ returning to Jerusalem bring His bride (died saved) to meet the rest )a;ive and remain) of us who refused to defile our garments by following after the false Christs leading to worship satan. Peter explains why we all change as the heavens and earth will be on fire and rev 19-20 the fowls of the air eat the flesh of all men.



flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom


:amen

Hello watchmen,I see it as well as you even though I don't use that term...The rapturist see the 2nd coming and the rapture as two different events.The question they won't answer is,why does Christ give all these warnings in Matt 24 if we will not be here........

 

[Randy]

Re: pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy of satan to deceive

Rev 16:15
Post trib or the last day Zech 14:6-7
The world is surprised because they did not believe in the Fathers message nor repent of their sins. If any had any shred of faith they would have accepted the one last lengthy testimony (1260 days) of God. Rev 11 Those two witnesses were caught up in full view of the world. So those that still did not believe will be deceived into following the beast as God has had enough and the day of His wrath has come. If anyone willfully takes the mark of the beast their place will be the 2nd death.

 

[Watchmen for Christ]

Re: pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy of satan to deceive

Our gathering together (aka post trib rapture/harvest of believers/wheat/elect) is to Jesus Christ returning to Jerusalem bring His bride (died saved) to meet the rest )a;ive and remain) of us who refused to defile our garments by following after the false Christs leading to worship satan. Peter explains why we all change as the heavens and earth will be on fire and rev 19-20 the fowls of the air eat the flesh of all men.


flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom


:amen

Hello watchmen,I see it as well as you even though I don't use that term...The rapturist see the 2nd coming and the rapture as two different events.The question they won't answer is,why does Christ give all these warnings in Matt 24 if we will not be here........

2 Thessalonians 2:1-5

King James Version (KJV)

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?


2 Thessalonians 2:10-12

King James Version (KJV)

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: (purging away tares from wheat)

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



2 Corinthians 11:3-5

King James Version (KJV)

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.5 For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.






2 Corinthians 11:2-4

King James Version (KJV)

2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.


2 Peter 3:13-18

King James Version (KJV)

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.



By satan and false prophets just adding "pre trib" to paul's quoting of matt 24:30-31 in I thess 4 (the post trib gathering) the devil creates out of thin "air" a early false coming of Christ for the church in people's minds confusing them into following after the very false Christs claiming to be Jesus that our Lord Jesus Christ warns believers NOT to follow after luke 21:8


Jesus says the tares will be gathered first, paul says the falling away is first and sadly many are going to follow right after the first thing that shows up claiming to be jesus and satan claiming to be God defiling the wedding garments of many by deception at the last minute




Galatians 1:6-8

King James Version (KJV)

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

 

[Watchmen for Christ]

Re: pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy of satan to deceive

Rev 16:15
Post trib or the last day Zech 14:6-7
The world is surprised because they did not believe in the Fathers message nor repent of their sins. If any had any shred of faith they would have accepted the one last lengthy testimony (1260 days) of God. Rev 11 Those two witnesses were caught up in full view of the world. So those that still did not believe will be deceived into following the beast as God has had enough and the day of His wrath has come. If anyone willfully takes the mark of the beast their place will be the 2nd death.

actually if someone takes the mark they are thrown into the winepress of wrath for 1000yrs yet nobody goes to the 2nd eternal death but satan (son of perdition) and them who gather to satan after the 1000yrs for the last and final time then fire comes down and devours them rev 20. the great white throne Judgement then takes place and God decides their final judgement

 

[n2thelight]

Re: pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy of satan to deceive

The reason I don't use the term rapture is because,it's taught that Christ takes the saved to Heaven and everybody else stays here....We are not going anywhere,we gather and then we go to Jerusalem.......

 

[Watchmen for Christ]

Re: pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy of satan to deceive

The reason I don't use the term rapture is because,it's taught that Christ takes the saved to Heaven and everybody else stays here....We are not going anywhere,we gather and then we go to Jerusalem.......

We agree that I thess 4 is our gathering as paul is quoting matt 24:30-31 though false prophets add "pre trib" to pauls words to create a false "different" coming of Christ Jesus prior to the tribulation when Jesus says His return and our gathering is after the tribulation. IF one falls for the wrong timing they may see the false Christs and follow after them defiling their garments to satan as a whore of babylon instead of remaining faithful as spiritual virgins enduring betrayal,beating.and deliverance to death allowing the Holy Spirit to speak through us.

I agree the gathering is to Him returning to Jerusalem and we will meet the Lord and His saints in spiritual bodies (aer=g109 breath/g4151 spirit) not flesh bodies as paul says in I cor 15