Is this a sort of game?
I have to guess what in my sense something doesn't what.
If I guess right do I get a prize?
Or perhaps you give me 10 points then for each wrong guess I lose a point. Then see if I can get it before I lose all the points.
Question About Mary
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Is this a sort of game?
I have to guess what in my sense something doesn't what.
If I guess right do I get a prize?
Or perhaps you give me 10 points then for each wrong guess I lose a point. Then see if I can get it before I lose all the points.
I just reply to what has been posted.
There is a whole thread on this with the evidence. Go have a look
You don't "Just reply to what is posted". You created an entire, lengthy thread devoted to "Understanding Mary - Ever Virgin". I could create an entire thread about "the evidence to prove the existence of the Loch Ness monster", then claim that I'm not obsessed with proving it; it would have just as much validity.
Why can't you admit that you are obsessed with Mary's being "ever virgin"? Why won't you answer the question: why are you so obsessed with her being "ever virgin"?
I wasn't referring to that thread. I was referring to this thread.
I didn't start the topic of the ever-viginity of Mary in this thread. \You did that in post #58 and kept raising the issue.
I suggested in post #61 that there no point in going through it all again. But you couldn't leave it (alone. see post #63)
I'm not. You are one of those that keeps going back to the topic.
Actually, I think this portion of this prayer is cut directly from Scripture, although all translations that I referenced, including the RSVCE do not render the translation as "full of grace" but rather "highly favored" or something very similar. So it is just repeating words from Scripture. We do the same thing when we recite the Lord's Prayer, do we not? I suppose we get uncomfortable with the second part where Mary is asked to pray for us.
Luke 1:28 (NKJV)
And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!”
Luke 1:41-42 (NKJV)
41 And it happened, when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, that the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.
42 Then she spoke out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!"
What does ever virgin mean?. Is that like a nun or something?. Jesus had brothers after he
was born and Mary was married to Jospeh. Mary was no life virgin.
And Its not impossible for virgins to give birth. Science does it these days. Doctor takes a couple's seed and implants it in someone's womb and they have a baby.
Dr God. He create Adam out the dust and give him life so he can plant a seed in a womb.
was born and Mary was married to Jospeh. Mary was no life virgin.
And Its not impossible for virgins to give birth. Science does it these days. Doctor takes a couple's seed and implants it in someone's womb and they have a baby.
Dr God. He create Adam out the dust and give him life so he can plant a seed in a womb.
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It is legitimate to pray to Mary if you understand what Catholics mean by "praying to" in that context.
See- Praying to the Saints in Heaven
Are you saying that you never sin and indeed are incapable of sinning?
Ever virgin means she remained a virgin all her life.
See - Understanding Mary - Ever Virgin
Why are Protestants so obsessed with Catholic/Orthodox beliefs about Mary?
Im not obsessed, this is the first time I have ever talked about Mary in Catholic.
As for ever virgin I don't believe it myself, especially when .multiple scripture reference him having brothers and sisters in the context of direct family members.
Matthew 13:55-56
I don't think it matters and is not important if Mary was a life virgin or not if she got married and had more children with her husband that's normal and not a sin. And. If she didn't so be it. Jesus was firstborn. Scripture leads me to believe she did.
I think she had children as in Matthew 13:55 mentions his Father Jospeh, Mother Mary, and specific brothers James and Joses.
And in Mark 15:40 there is Mary Magdalene and Mary the Mother of James and Joses. In my opinion that Mary Jesus mother they talking about. Its Mary Magdalene and Mary his mother at the crucifixion the Mother of Jesus, James , and Joses.
If Mary was a ever virgin then would have to basically say Jospeh was as well.
I think she had children as in Matthew 13:55 mentions his Father Jospeh, Mother Mary, and specific brothers James and Joses.
And in Mark 15:40 there is Mary Magdalene and Mary the Mother of James and Joses. In my opinion that Mary Jesus mother they talking about. Its Mary Magdalene and Mary his mother at the crucifixion the Mother of Jesus, James , and Joses.
If Mary was a ever virgin then would have to basically say Jospeh was as well.
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How do you respond to Mungo's take on Luke 1:26-38 in his topic - Understanding Mary - Ever Virgin ?
I don't see what that verse has to do with being ever virgin. Virgin and pure for the firstborn but that's it. Nothing say she cannot marry Joseph and have children.
Oops, I quoted the wrong version. The one I reverenced was the NRSVCE. I assume this is an upgraded version from the RSVCE.
Apart from Jesus' infancy I thing Mary is always clearly identified as the mother of Jesus.
Mark 15:14 "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome". T
he Mary who is identified as the mother of James, Joses and Salome is not identified as the mother of Jesus.
Luke 23:55-56 "The women who had come with him from Galilee followed, and saw the tomb, and how his body was laid; then they returned, and prepared spices and ointments."These women are identified in Lk 24:10 as "Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James".
Again no identification of Mary, the mother of James as the mother of Jesus.
When Jesus was being laid in the tomb Matthew says "Mary Magdalene and the other Mary were there, sitting opposite the sepulchre." I don't think Matthew would dismiss Mary, the mother of Jesus as the other Mary". (Mt 27:61). Also the "other Mary" who saw where Jesus' body was laid was almost certainly the Mary who took the spices to the tomb and therefore the mother of James.
John tells us that "standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene." (John 19:25) So now we have three Marys - Mary the mother of Jesus, her "sister" and wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.
It seems to me more likely that Mary Clopas was the "other Mary" who was the mother of James, Joses and Salome.
Moreover Eusebius quoting from Hegesippus (110-180 AD) writes
After the martyrdom of James and the conquest of Jerusalem which immediately followed, it is said that those of the apostles and disciples of the Lord that were still living came together from all directions with those that were related to the Lord according to the flesh (for the majority of them also were still alive) to take counsel as to who was worthy to succeed James. They all with one consent pronounced Symeon, the son of Clopas, of whom the Gospel also makes mention; to be worthy of the episcopal throne of that parish. He was a cousin, as they say, of the Saviour. For Hegesippus records that Clopas was a brother of Joseph.
So Symeon (Simeon, Simon) was the cousin of Jesus, and Mary Clopas was therefore the sister-in-law of Mary the mother of Jesus. Again note the loose use of relationships. Mary Clopas is referred to as Mary’s “sister” in Jn 19:25 when she is actually her sister-in-law.
Then also Luke when listing the apostles says James, son of Alpheus. But the Aramaic Alpheus can be rendered in Greek as either Alpheus or Clopas. So again James, the “brother” of the Lord is probably the son of Clopas (and Mary Clopas).
It doesn't even matter and is not important if Mary was a virgin for life or not. Jesus was the firstborn of a virgin in God's plan, from there if she had other children with her husband after that is not important. If it was it would be in scripture. Mary could have children if she wanted after Jesus, it's not a sin. Everyone to there own thoughts on it.
Its not a salvation issue and a division in the church. Its not important. Whatever one wants to believe.
Its not a salvation issue and a division in the church. Its not important. Whatever one wants to believe.
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