Question About Mary

[Mungo]

What Catholics yes they don't worship Mary. But Roman Catholics do.

See - Catholic Church (CC) vs Roman Catholic Church (RCC)

Confusing so there is hierarchy of Prayer? Any Greek term can you suggest?

Yes, It's the difference between parakaleo and proseuchomai

 

[Mungo]

Roman Catholic worship Her so many big statue out there. Oh i think that's not the Mary of the Bible.

No we don't

Ow you missed the point.

Was there a point?

* Do not do unto others as you would that they should do unto you.
* So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them
What's the difference?

Did Plato say that?

 

[Mungo]

Hail Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy,
our life our sweetness and our hope.
To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve;
To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this valley of tears.
Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us and after this our exile show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary!

V- Pray for us, O Holy Mother of God
R- That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.

Lovely prayer that.

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1Ti 2:5 (RSV)
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

So we need another mediator to Jesus Christ to be heard? Is it no enough of what Jesus did on the Cross. Is not the ultimate demonstration of Jesus Christ Love for Humanity that we need another mediator to be heard?

I think Jesus is the one mediator because:
a) Only Jesus reconciles us to the Father (Rom 5:10, 2Cor 5:18-19).
b) Only Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant (Heb 9:15, 12:24).
Mary and the Saints do not mediate us to the Father as Jesus does as Covenant Mediator but they intercede for us as we do for each other.

 

[rstrats]

Exactly. That makes Mary unique and special

But apparently nothing is to be made of that since the NT epistle writers never mention her in any of their letters.

 

[rod1011]

Yes, give Latria (adoration) to God.
Give veneration to the Saints in heaven.

How is that a reply to my post?

what do you think?

 

[WIP]

Gabriel told Mary that she will [future tense] conceive and bare a son.

Or as Mungo puts it: "The angel tells her she will conceive - some unspecified time in the future He does not say you have conceived but will conceive. He is pointing to the future but gives no timescale... But Mary asks a strange question. 'How can this be since I have no relations with a man?' In normal circumstances this would a silly question, so this indicates that this is not a normal marriage; that she has no expectation of sexual relations with Joseph... Her question therefore only makes sense if she intended not to consummate the marriage..."

How do you address that?

One explanation. The answer is in your question where you quoted Luke 1:34, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?” (NKJV) She asked this in the present tense. She did not ask, "How can this be since I will never know a man?"

 

[rod1011]

Lovely prayer that.


I think Jesus is the one mediator because:
a) Only Jesus reconciles us to the Father (Rom 5:10, 2Cor 5:18-19).
b) Only Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant (Heb 9:15, 12:24).
Mary and the Saints do not mediate us to the Father as Jesus does as Covenant Mediator but they intercede for us as we do for each other.

So why you say Mary Please Pray for Us? are you asking Mary to Pray for you? Is she a mediator or not?

 

[rod1011]

But apparently nothing is to be made of that since the NT epistle writers never mention her in any of their letters.

Because Apostle know during the time when they walk with Jesus that Mary is just only an instrument so that the Messiah will born. Just like Joseph instrument the so that Judah will be alive for the great famine is coming.

 

[rod1011]

See - Catholic Church (CC) vs Roman Catholic Church (RCC)

Show this to millions followers that are deceived. I can't buy it.

Yes, It's the difference between parakaleo and proseuchomai

Explain this to Roman Catholic billions of followers please.

 

[rstrats]

One explanation. The answer is in your question where you quoted Luke 1:34, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?” (NKJV) She asked this in the present tense. She did not ask, "How can this be since I will never know a man?"

You're missing Mungo's point. Gabriel didn't say she had conceived, rather than she would in the future. So her activity up to the moment of Gabriel's announcement had no effect on the future.

 

[rod1011]

See - Catholic Church (CC) vs Roman Catholic Church (RCC)

Good luck bro.

Yes, It's the difference between parakaleo and proseuchomai

what prayer is this??? ---->>> https://www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=243

 

[jaybo]

What about the title father. I know some Catholic get called father. As God is ultimate Father if anyone else gets that title next would be Joseph. He's Jesus dad and Jesus was subject to him and obeyed him as a child, and his mother.

Jesus the carpenters son. Joseph, father of Jesus. Mary, mother of Jesus.

Except in Matthew 23:9, Jesus said this: And call no one your ‘father’ on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

 

[Mungo]

Except in Matthew 23:9, Jesus said this: And call no one your ‘father’ on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

Been there, done that!

Call No Man Father​

 

[Mungo]

Good luck bro.

Thank you.

what prayer is this??? ---->>> https://www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=243

It's called the Salve Regina

 

[Mungo]

Show this to millions followers that are deceived. I can't buy it.

What do you not understand

Explain this to Roman Catholic billions of followers please.

I don't have access to billions of Catholics.

 

[Mungo]

So why you say Mary Please Pray for Us? are you asking Mary to Pray for you? Is she a mediator or not?

Prayer of intercession just as Paul asked people to pray for him.
"Pray also for me, so that when I speak, a message may be given to me to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel, for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it boldly, as I must speak." (Eph 6:19-20)

"At the same time pray for us as well....." (Col 4:3)

"Beloved, pray for us." (1Thess 5:25)

"Finally, brothers and sister, pray for us....." (2 Thess 3:1)

And Paul instructed "First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men" (2Tim 2:1)

 

[rod1011]

Prayer of intercession just as Paul asked people to pray for him.
"Pray also for me, so that when I speak, a message may be given to me to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel, for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it boldly, as I must speak." (Eph 6:19-20)

Oh i forget Roman Catholic believed that dead people can Pray. But please don't use Eph 6:19-20 its wrong you are always out of the context.

"At the same time pray for us as well....." (Col 4:3)

Peter did not call the Prophets to Pray for Him. What kind of interpretation is that?

"Beloved, pray for us." (1Thess 5:25)

"Finally, brothers and sister, pray for us....." (2 Thess 3:1)

And Paul instructed "First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men" (2Tim 2:1)

We can Pray each other but dead cant.

 

[jaybo]

It is legitimate to pray to Mary if you understand what Catholics mean by "praying to" in that context.
See- Praying to the Saints in Heaven

Are you saying that you never sin and indeed are incapable of sinning?

"Praying to" is plain English, regardless of how Catholics interpret it. Here is a valid definition: devout petition to God or an object of worship. a spiritual communion with God or an object of worship, as in supplication, thanksgiving, adoration, or confession. the act or practice of praying to God or an object of worship.

Notice it says God or an object of worship. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to pray to anyone but God. Praying to dead people is unScriptural and, to me, very, very strange.

Why are you changing the subject by writing "are you saying that you never sin and indeed are incapable of sinning"? That is a bizarre change of subject. If it's in response to "pray for us sinners now and in the hour of our death", that is part of your "Hail Mary" prayer. Since I am in Christ I am regarded as free from sin. If I sin occasionally, that does not make me "a sinner". That idea is more Catholic error! If I am still regarded as "a sinner" then Christ died for nothing.

Here is some Scripture for you to ponder...

"What shall we say then? Are we to remain in sin so that grace may increase? Absolutely not! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Or do you not know that as many as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? Therefore we have been buried with him through baptism into death, in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may live a new life.

For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we will certainly also be united in the likeness of his resurrection. We know that our old man was crucified with him so that the body of sin would no longer dominate us so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. (For someone who has died has been freed from sin.)

Romans 6:1-7 NET

 

[jaybo]

Prayer of intercession just as Paul asked people to pray for him.
"Pray also for me, so that when I speak, a message may be given to me to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel, for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it boldly, as I must speak." (Eph 6:19-20)

"At the same time pray for us as well....." (Col 4:3)

"Beloved, pray for us." (1Thess 5:25)

"Finally, brothers and sister, pray for us....." (2 Thess 3:1)

And Paul instructed "First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men" (2Tim 2:1)

Paul was asking living people to pray for him, not dead people. Where in the Bible does it say to ask dead people to pray for you?

 

[jaybo]

Oh i forget Roman Catholic believed that dead people can Pray. But please don't use Eph 6:19-20 its wrong you are always out of the context.

Peter did not call the Prophets to Pray for Him. What kind of interpretation is that?

We can Pray each other but dead cant.

Great post! What say you, Mungo?