Correct. Unfortunately, it is very important to Mungo and other Catholics. They have a strong need to believe that Mary was "ever virgin". In fact, it's a compulsion.
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Even if they were Mary's sisters children and not Mary Jesus mother still does not matter or mean anything. Its all irrelevant. Even if Mary was a ever virgin doesn't mean anything. Its irrelevant and her private businesses with her husband anyhow. Maybe she was maybe she wasn't. Its not a sin either way.
If she had to stay ever virgin for life as something important would need scripture to back it up. But it's not important, it's not in scripture.
If there was a scripture that said Jesus the firstborn and only son of Mary then there would be a fact.
Its all good to have a discussion and thought on it but either way it's not important. There's no clarity and facts on it.
Mary was Jesus legal mother and Jospeh was Jesus legal father. He was there eartly child and they his legal guardian. Even scripture said Jesus at young age was subject to them. He was born of God and Mary and Jospeh were chosen to be his earthly parents and look after him in his young age. Thy were both righteous and blamess so good role models.
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What about the title father. I know some Catholic get called father. As God is ultimate Father if anyone else gets that title next would be Joseph. He's Jesus dad and Jesus was subject to him and obeyed him as a child, and his mother.
Jesus the carpenters son. Joseph, father of Jesus. Mary, mother of Jesus.
Jesus the carpenters son. Joseph, father of Jesus. Mary, mother of Jesus.
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If Mungo wants to believe that is perfectly fine each to there own belief on it. Im unsure myself as there is no scripture to back it up that Mary was or had to be a ever virgin.
Either way I'm not going to allow something likes Mary's private life after the birth of Christ divide the church. Its not important, some people might take it seriously and have a belief like Mary was ever Virgin so be it. Believe either way Its not a salvation issue. We all still brothers and sisters in Christ.
We just lucky we got more information and scripture, a big collection of information. Those in Jesus day and short after didn't have nothing. Not all believers would have known everything we know. The thief on the cross probably didnt know nothing. I don't think Jesus in any state to tell him his life story.
I mean, he didn't gather the masses and teach once upon a time my mother was a virgin and gave birth to me, and there were 3 wise men. Some who believed in him would not have even known about a virgin birth.
I mean, he didn't gather the masses and teach once upon a time my mother was a virgin and gave birth to me, and there were 3 wise men. Some who believed in him would not have even known about a virgin birth.
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It's important because the truth is important.
Perhaps truth is not important to Protestants.
There is nothing in scripture that says Mary was a ever virgin or a need for her to be. Can you explain how you come to that belief.
For me using scripture it's a unknown and doesn't seem important because if it was it would be in the scripture. I mean I can see she was pure and had a virgin birth and Christ is the firstborn and prophecy for a virgin birth, but nothing she can't have or did not have relations with her husband after Jesus. Either way Its not a sin if she did or didnt so it's not important.
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Gabriel told Mary that she will [future tense] conceive and bare a son.
Or as Mungo puts it: "The angel tells her she will conceive - some unspecified time in the future He does not say you have conceived but will conceive. He is pointing to the future but gives no timescale... But Mary asks a strange question. 'How can this be since I have no relations with a man?' In normal circumstances this would a silly question, so this indicates that this is not a normal marriage; that she has no expectation of sexual relations with Joseph... Her question therefore only makes sense if she intended not to consummate the marriage..."
How do you address that?
Sounds you need to dig deeper to RC term.
Give Latria to God
Dulia to Saints
and Hypero Dulia to Mary
Come on...
Mary is just an instrument of God just like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
They become Saints because of the Grace of God don't give any adoration.
You only need to worship the God of Israel that's all. He died for us for our Sins His Mercy is boundless, no need for any other intercessions of what you call Saints.
Special that you could also worship her?
How many divine being was born?
is Plato a great philosopher?
What Catholics yes they don't worship Mary. But Roman Catholics do.
Confusing so there is hierarchy of Prayer? Any Greek term can you suggest?
Don't worship her.
Exactly. That makes Mary unique and special
So I am told,
Hail Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy,
our life our sweetness and our hope.
To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve;
To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this valley of tears.
Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us and after this our exile show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary!
V- Pray for us, O Holy Mother of God
R- That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.
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1Ti 2:5 (RSV)
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
So we need another mediator to Jesus Christ to be heard? Is it no enough of what Jesus did on the Cross. Is not the ultimate demonstration of Jesus Christ Love for Humanity that we need another mediator to be heard?
our life our sweetness and our hope.
To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve;
To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this valley of tears.
Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us and after this our exile show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary!
V- Pray for us, O Holy Mother of God
R- That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.
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1Ti 2:5 (RSV)
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
So we need another mediator to Jesus Christ to be heard? Is it no enough of what Jesus did on the Cross. Is not the ultimate demonstration of Jesus Christ Love for Humanity that we need another mediator to be heard?
Roman Catholic worship Her so many big statue out there. Oh i think that's not the Mary of the Bible.
Ow you missed the point.
* Do not do unto others as you would that they should do unto you.
* So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them
What's the difference?
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