question for all christians

[DarcyLu]

Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms. 14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. 16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

great scripture glory, but it sure doesn't prove your point at all. lol,

yes, allow the elders to anoint the sick and pray over them and the PRAYER OF FAITH shall save the sick. it's right there - read it and believe it. this is what we've been saying!!!!!!

 

[glorydaz]

Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms. 14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. 16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

great scripture glory, but it sure doesn't prove your point at all. lol,

yes, allow the elders to anoint the sick and pray over them and the PRAYER OF FAITH shall save the sick. it's right there - read it and believe it. this is what we've been saying!!!!!!

You obviously don't know what my point is. Had you been paying attention, you'd know I have been saying this all along...I've pointed out the elders praying and my annointing my own children. I have never once denied God heals. I've simply said healing is by prayer...not a sign gift. While some will claim otherwise, we do not see the same kind of healing we had during the days of the Apostles with men going around drawing crowds of people who take up their beds and walk, being cured of blindness, and people being raised from the dead. I do wish you'd pay more attention to what I say instead of assuming you do.

 

[DarcyLu]

You obviously don't know what my point is. Had you been paying attention, you'd know I have been saying this all along...I've pointed out the elders praying and my annointing my own children. I have never once denied God heals. I've simply said healing is by prayer...not a sign gift. While some will claim otherwise, we do not see the same kind of healing we had during the days of the Apostles with men going around drawing crowds of people who take up their beds and walk, being cured of blindness, and people being raised from the dead. I do wish you'd pay more attention to what I say instead of assuming you do.

oh, i am paying attention glory and you don't have to be so rude - and if you want to continue believing your doctrine and not what is actually written - then go ahead and live a defeated life.

 

[glorydaz]

You obviously don't know what my point is. Had you been paying attention, you'd know I have been saying this all along...I've pointed out the elders praying and my annointing my own children. I have never once denied God heals. I've simply said healing is by prayer...not a sign gift. While some will claim otherwise, we do not see the same kind of healing we had during the days of the Apostles with men going around drawing crowds of people who take up their beds and walk, being cured of blindness, and people being raised from the dead. I do wish you'd pay more attention to what I say instead of assuming you do.

oh, i am paying attention glory and you don't have to be so rude - and if you want to continue believing your doctrine and not what is actually written - then go ahead and live a defeated life.

I see...I'm rude, but you're just sweet as candy with your "defeated life' comment. :biglaugh

And what would my "doctrine" be since you have paid such good attention?
You've already proven, by your previous comment, that you only think you know.

 

[DarcyLu]

I see...I'm rude, but you're just sweet as candy with your "defeated life' comment. :biglaugh

And what would my "doctrine" be since you have paid such good attention?
You've already proven, by your previous comment, that you only think you know.

ah well, i was simply following the example set by the ELDER one here, but hey, sometimes the younger have to stand up and take the high road.

let me remind you of what your doctrine states and compare it to what the Word says:

1). YOU say - not everyone gets healed
The Bible says - if you pray in faith, you shall receive AND it says bring the people have them anointed with oil and WITH FAITH, they shall be saved, AND let's not mention all the people Jesus did NOT heal - oh, yah - there aren't any.

2). YOU say - we do not have the miracles like the apostles
The Bible says - go preach the good news, heal the sick, the blind, cast out demons - and wow - for those who believe, it happens!
there have been examples in this thread - I believe Jason stated it - that a guy was brought back from the dead.

it's sad to know there are some people who live their life in unbelief - He is God, don't put Him in a box!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jasoncran]

look i wanted to add what i witnessed in church ! a testimonial on healing. and i'm seeking the lord on this as he will teach me, not men.

but since its come to this, unless the attitudes here change. i will lock this thread. :mad
first and final warning.

settle this via pm glorydaz and darcylu.

 

[DarcyLu]

look i wanted to add what i witnessed in church ! a testimonial on healing. and i'm seeking the lord on this as he will teach me, not men.

but since its come to this, unless the attitudes here change. i will lock this thread. :mad
first and final warning.

settle this via pm glorydaz and darcylu.

ok, i will stop.

please tell us about the healing!

and to add, a distant friend of mine has a 14 year old child who was diagnosed with cancer, last night i just found out that the last MRI showed the cancer was entirely gone and there wasn't even scar tissue. the doctor told the mother that he could not explain it and that there should have been at least something there - either scar tissue or a dead tumor!! Praise God! we have been praying for a clean MRI for 3 months!

 

[jasoncran]

a testimonial from one the members that went like this

she had a skin condition that she didnt mention to name, she had to use special soap to keep from irritating it, and she also had an emotional problem. She was prayed for alot and never denied the healing that would take place, she prayed and asked God to heal, he told her minister to others for i have to something to teach you. One day she was showering and noticed that the her skin was Healed!

she also mentioned that her mother had asthma, and was weasing,(i have that at times) really bad.Her dad went to church and a evangalist prayed over her and she stopped weasing. The next day the mother was painting her room and her husband asked what are you doing? She responding i'm healed, she was allergic to paint.

this must have been some time ago as this lady is in her 70's. asthma wasnt treatable with the inhalers till the 80's and the condition she had was probably psorasis, which can be brought on by stress.

 

[DarcyLu]

a testimonial from one the members that went like this

she had a skin condition that she didnt mention to name, she had to use special soap to keep from irritating it, and she also had an emotional problem. She was prayed for alot and never denied the healing that would take place, she prayed and asked God to heal, he told her minister to others for i have to something to teach you. One day she was showering and noticed that the her skin was Healed!

she also mentioned that her mother had asthma, and was weasing,(i have that at times) really bad.Her dad went to church and a evangalist prayed over her and she stopped weasing. The next day the mother was painting her room and her husband asked what are you doing? She responding i'm healed, she was allergic to paint.

this must have been some time ago as this lady is in her 70's. asthma wasnt treatable with the inhalers till the 80's and the condition she had was probably psorasis, which can be brought on by stress.

wow, that is amazing and what is the most amazing is that God told her to minister to others, if i am understanding this right, and not only did He teach her something but all of you who saw it. i always have thought that in order for our faith to grow, that God has to heal or do other things, without prayer, to help our faith grow and i am sure this is one of those examples. it seems, when i was a younger believer, God did that to show me what i was reading or hearing was true.
thanks for sharing, i am going to be thinking about this all day and praising God for healing the member and the elderly lady and for my friend's son - kind of weird we are talking about this and all of this is happening.

 

[glorydaz]

I see...I'm rude, but you're just sweet as candy with your "defeated life' comment. :biglaugh

And what would my "doctrine" be since you have paid such good attention?
You've already proven, by your previous comment, that you only think you know.

ah well, i was simply following the example set by the ELDER one here, but hey, sometimes the younger have to stand up and take the high road.

let me remind you of what your doctrine states and compare it to what the Word says:

1). YOU say - not everyone gets healed
The Bible says - if you pray in faith, you shall receive AND it says bring the people have them anointed with oil and WITH FAITH, they shall be saved, AND let's not mention all the people Jesus did NOT heal - oh, yah - there aren't any.

2). YOU say - we do not have the miracles like the apostles
The Bible says - go preach the good news, heal the sick, the blind, cast out demons - and wow - for those who believe, it happens!
there have been examples in this thread - I believe Jason stated it - that a guy was brought back from the dead.

it's sad to know there are some people who live their life in unbelief - He is God, don't put Him in a box!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, I say not everyone gets healed, and, yes, I say the we do not have miracles like in the days of the Apostles, and I believe the facts, as well as Scripture back me up. Why you feel the need to pitch such a fit because of what I post on the issue is a mystery to me, since we all are entitled to state our case.

You can claim everyone gets healed if they only have enough faith if you like, it does not make it a fact...nor is it supported by Scripture as you claim. God is not man's puppet...His will does come into the equation. And to claim we have miracles like in the time of Jesus and the Apostles is laughable.
Show me this great healer with crowds and cameras rolling.

For you to say I live my "defeated" life in unbelief is what's sad.
Personal attacks don't convince me of anything but your immaturity.

 

[jasoncran]

no, that's what testimonies are for. if God can do it for her why not for me!
i never said that God cant heal or meant that healings are things of the past. I know better, i just think sometimes that he chooses to allow others to suffer and not heal them, so that those that are like them learn and they themselves learn what's important.

our suffering brings us to growth and looking at the Father!

glorydaz settle this via pm, if this continue i will lock this thread :mad

 

[glorydaz]

look i wanted to add what i witnessed in church ! a testimonial on healing. and i'm seeking the lord on this as he will teach me, not men.

but since its come to this, unless the attitudes here change. i will lock this thread. :mad
first and final warning.

settle this via pm glorydaz and darcylu.

I'm sorry, Jason. I didn't read this until I'd already answered Darcy's post.

I would like to restate the fact that I do believe God still heals people today, since there seems to be some misunderstanding about that. I thought I had made it clear. I have seen healings, myself...just not in the same way the signs and wonders were performed during the time of the Apostles. I was referring to the gifts...as I've stated before. We're to pray for the sick...I have never said otherwise.

 

[jasoncran]

i do disagree with the your view of the modern gifts. but i'm aware that you are of the baptist persuasion.
i will agree to disagree on that.
unfortuanaltley, to many charlitans(benny hinn) have ruined it for, or made it hard, for those that are called into the gifts.
with that being said, one must use gifts wisely. Pentacostals are prone to seeking the gift not the giver at times.

 

[glorydaz]

i do disagree with the your view of the modern gifts. but i'm aware that you are of the baptist persuasion.
i will agree to disagree on that.
unfortuanaltley, to many charlitans(benny hinn) have ruined it for, or made it hard, for those that are called into the gifts.
with that being said, one must use gifts wisely. Pentacostals are prone to seeking the gift not the giver at times.

I do believe in the gifts of the Spirit...just not the sign gifts.

Acts 2:43 - And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
Acts 5:12 - And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch.

There is a difference and I certainly don't want anyone to say I don't believe in the gifts because I see some were for a specific day. Healing and the gift of healing are two different things. Just as the gift of prophecy is different than what the prophets of old had. And I'm not a Baptist, although I do agree with much of what they hold to. I don't follow after denominations, but to the Word of God.

 

[DarcyLu]

i do disagree with the your view of the modern gifts. but i'm aware that you are of the baptist persuasion.
i will agree to disagree on that.
unfortuanaltley, to many charlitans(benny hinn) have ruined it for, or made it hard, for those that are called into the gifts.
with that being said, one must use gifts wisely. Pentacostals are prone to seeking the gift not the giver at times.

this brings up a question, Jason do you believe we have to speak in tongues in order to "show" we are baptized in the Holy Spirit?

and with the gifts, if a person has the gift of healing, they can lose it right? or i have heard that God only gives gifts for certain "assignments", etc. so with benny hinn, if he did have the gift of healing at one time, obviously he does not have it now as he is doing it for money and really we shouldn't be charging for our ministries and/or gifts.
just curious as to your thoughts.

 

[DarcyLu]

look i wanted to add what i witnessed in church ! a testimonial on healing. and i'm seeking the lord on this as he will teach me, not men.

but since its come to this, unless the attitudes here change. i will lock this thread. :mad
first and final warning.

settle this via pm glorydaz and darcylu.

I'm sorry, Jason. I didn't read this until I'd already answered Darcy's post.

I would like to restate the fact that I do believe God still heals people today, since there seems to be some misunderstanding about that. I thought I had made it clear. I have seen healings, myself...just not in the same way the signs and wonders were performed during the time of the Apostles. I was referring to the gifts...as I've stated before. We're to pray for the sick...I have never said otherwise.

i do understand what your beliefs are, i do know you know God heals. there are just some things that we don't agree on and i don't want to argue about it with you anymore as i get upset when i should not get upset, so i am sorry about the things i said to you - about "defeated life", etc. i shouldn't have attacked you like that.

 

[jasoncran]

being of the pentacostal persuasion, yes. the baptism is evidence of that. tounges isnt the word we use for that. that is for the church and needs to be interpretated.

the indivdual when praying in a unknown language is talking to God and him alone, and he is edifying himself. when its interpreted its for the whole church.

of course theres that argument that the gift of tounges is for the jew. maybe. but i think its also for the unbeliever as he may hear his own language beind spoken to him, if the person is being led to speak. this has happen at my old church yrs before i went there.

 

[glorydaz]

I'm sorry, Jason. I didn't read this until I'd already answered Darcy's post.

I would like to restate the fact that I do believe God still heals people today, since there seems to be some misunderstanding about that. I thought I had made it clear. I have seen healings, myself...just not in the same way the signs and wonders were performed during the time of the Apostles. I was referring to the gifts...as I've stated before. We're to pray for the sick...I have never said otherwise.

i do understand what your beliefs are, i do know you know God heals. there are just some things that we don't agree on and i don't want to argue about it with you anymore as i get upset when i should not get upset, so i am sorry about the things i said to you - about "defeated life", etc. i shouldn't have attacked you like that.

Thank you, and I'm sorry I was short with you, too. Someday we will see things as they are and be in agreement on all things. I wonder what it will be like when that happens...All those "amens" and none of those "but what about's". It will be a change...that's for sure. :biglaugh

 

[glorydaz]

being of the pentacostal persuasion, yes. the baptism is evidence of that. tounges isnt the word we use for that. that is for the church and needs to be interpretated.

the indivdual when praying in a unknown language is talking to God and him alone, and he is edifying himself. when its interpreted its for the whole church.

of course theres that argument that the gift of tounges is for the jew. maybe. but i think its also for the unbeliever as he may hear his own language beind spoken to him, if the person is being led to speak. this has happen at my old church yrs before i went there.

I see you refer to speaking in "his own language". That isn't what most pentecostals mean when they speak in tongues. We know that's what was referred to in Acts, so why did the change come about, and turn into a form of, I hate to use the word, gibberish? I've seen people teaching their kids to just let their tongues go, and some other pretty wierd things concerning that "gift". I've also been present when someone speaks in tongues and then interprets...having to retract his interpretation when it went off into praising the Lord when it was the Lord who started off speaking in the interpretation.

 

[jasoncran]

i was differenting since all those unfamilar with the the baptism say toungues. that isnt the actual baptism. you get a prayer language upon that. You speak that, and when no one interprets its between you and god.

when its interpreted then its the gift of tounges and interpration acting.

not all those who speak loudly and are interpreted are correct and sometimes people do fake it. seen some of that.