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Questions Concerning Messianic Judaism
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I've been looking briefly upon this subject. Here's what catches my eye:
Psalm 105 calls us to remember and this "Irish born" Gentile, now joined in faith through The Christ , our Messiah, the Promised one, longs to see the blessing promised so long ago (or was it merely a moment according to the Lord?) being shown forth in the hearts of many, and to the Glory of God in these days! I hear the song of Zachariah and anticipate the song of Elijah and Moses being sung in unison with the sound of the turtledove from the Song of Solomon 2:11-12, the Song of Songs being heard in the land.
[video=youtube;H3CMXbnLUDs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3CMXbnLUDs[/video]
[video=youtube;x6u-N_gV65Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6u-N_gV65Y[/video]
My travels on YouTube then continued and as I watched several traditional Jewish weddings, so steeped in symbols, all pointing in a manner that deserves more study than I might give, and bringing me toward the fullness of the Promise we, as Gentiles are invited into...
A humble thank you, Ryan and others for the contributions made here by the leading of the Holy Spirit showing forth the purpose of our Father.
- Hebrews 6:13: "When God made his promise to Abraham, since there was no one greater for him to swear by, he swore by himself..."
- Hebrews 6:14: "... saying, "I will surely bless you and give you many descendants." New International Version (©1984)
We see in the Psalms that the Lord does not view time as we do. A thousand years is as a day to Him or even a shorter period of time, that of a 'watch in the night' (Ps 90:4). What of the oath sworn to Abraham? We hear the Song of Rejoicing from a descendant of Aaron, Zechariah (whose name means, ""YAHWEH remembers"), the father of John the Baptist, a Prophet, who the angel Gabriel announced, would lead many to the Lord. A Prophet announcing the Messiah.Luke said:
Psalm 105 calls us to remember and this "Irish born" Gentile, now joined in faith through The Christ , our Messiah, the Promised one, longs to see the blessing promised so long ago (or was it merely a moment according to the Lord?) being shown forth in the hearts of many, and to the Glory of God in these days! I hear the song of Zachariah and anticipate the song of Elijah and Moses being sung in unison with the sound of the turtledove from the Song of Solomon 2:11-12, the Song of Songs being heard in the land.
[video=youtube;H3CMXbnLUDs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3CMXbnLUDs[/video]
[video=youtube;x6u-N_gV65Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6u-N_gV65Y[/video]
My travels on YouTube then continued and as I watched several traditional Jewish weddings, so steeped in symbols, all pointing in a manner that deserves more study than I might give, and bringing me toward the fullness of the Promise we, as Gentiles are invited into...
A humble thank you, Ryan and others for the contributions made here by the leading of the Holy Spirit showing forth the purpose of our Father.
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uhm, Abrahams house that was circumcised and thus imputed rightessnous included men that weren't free but slaved and owned by Abraham. Jewish thinking on this is also found in the story of noah that if one man is faithful to God that the whole house of his will be pardoned because he will teach them the law. its also supported in acts 16:31.
its always been a Hebrew-gentile thing.
its always been a Hebrew-gentile thing.
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Jason, I don't dodge but will refrain from replying. This thread has gone in all sorts of different directions, so I wanna try and stay on topic. Yes, of course I agree grace abounded from day 1. Off topic, you were one of the reasons I joined here. I was a lurker, and I may be wrong, but you said you were taking time to study the bible from a Hebrew Roots perspective. I thought that was cool with the open mindedness. So how did it go? What did you learn?
Sparrow, Robin Mark is my favoritist. Love all his songs. He's coming to our town in a couple months and a friend will get a chance to play with him. Looking forward to it. Jewish weddings are interesting and have a lot of richness and symbolism to them.
Sparrow, Robin Mark is my favoritist. Love all his songs. He's coming to our town in a couple months and a friend will get a chance to play with him. Looking forward to it. Jewish weddings are interesting and have a lot of richness and symbolism to them.
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Far more then I can even fathom. just scratching the surface. Jewish thought is all over the NT. I can show you where Peter may have gotten his thousand years is day unto the Lord oral traditions that do and are supported by the Lord.
Ryan
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I'm curious. Explain if you'd like. Yes Jewish thought is all over the Gospels and Epistles because it was written by Jews.
jasoncran
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it came from the Talmud. an oral tradition said by the sages about the idea of a thousand years is a day is found in ramban's commentary on genesis. that idea imho predates the Lord first advent. in jewish thought its said that after seven days(thousand years) the earth and creation will be destroyed and the saints will live in the eternal heavenly earth. if we take His second coming to happen at the jewish year 6000 and millennium we get seven thousand years. interesting thought but its clearly defendable.
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Jason,
I did not know that. Have you gotten to any of the Hebrew language and the Messiah in the language. Done any studying of the parting of the Red Sea and Jesus all over it with the Hebrew language?
As far as the oral Torah and Messianic Jews, I guess it just depends on the group and how far they want to take delving into the traditions. One must be careful though looking at the Talmud, and placing it on a pedestal. It has good history and interpretations from the Sages that agreed with the Gospels. But it is not scripture, and should never be looked at as being inspired. It's a good resource understanding culture, language and how they interpreted the written Torah, but it's still not the inspired Word of God.
I did not know that. Have you gotten to any of the Hebrew language and the Messiah in the language. Done any studying of the parting of the Red Sea and Jesus all over it with the Hebrew language?
As far as the oral Torah and Messianic Jews, I guess it just depends on the group and how far they want to take delving into the traditions. One must be careful though looking at the Talmud, and placing it on a pedestal. It has good history and interpretations from the Sages that agreed with the Gospels. But it is not scripture, and should never be looked at as being inspired. It's a good resource understanding culture, language and how they interpreted the written Torah, but it's still not the inspired Word of God.
Ryan
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I have to share this Jason, this teaching from Tony Robinson of Restoration of Torah Ministries is to good not to share. I was hoping as well to be lead into studying Hebrew, but haven't been lead yet. Will just have to wait for the free download later.
Here is the link to the article, as some of the images didn't come up and may be hard to read.
http://www.restorationoftorah.org/images/articles/The Gospel of the Red Sea Crossing.pdf
The Gospel of the Red Sea Crossing
by Tony Robinson
One of the greatest truths the Ruach (Spirit) is revealing in these last days concerns the simplicity of the Gospel as found in the Torah—that’s right, in the Torah. Yeshua was very emphatic that the Gospel was clearly described in the Tanakh (Old Testament). Note Luke’s account of Yeshua’s words to the two disciples traveling on the road to Emmaus:
27And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself...44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures (Luke 24:27, 44-45).
In the above passage, we are told that Yeshua taught them concerning Himself from the Torah (Law of Moses), the prophets and the Psalms (writings). The fact that He used the Torah to teach about Himself is amazing when you consider that the Torah of Moses (first five books) never even mentions the word Messiah! Yeshua made similar statements in John 5:
46For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me (John 5:46). 39You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are
they which testify of Me (John 5:39).
Although these passages are very clear, many of today’s believers would be hard pressed to find descriptions of the Gospel in the Torah. For example, if someone asked you to define the Gospel of salvation from the Torah, how would you answer? Would you say it means to be saved from eternal fire? Perhaps you might state that salvation is defined as wholeness, having your sins forgiven, and healing of your body. All of these are certainly part of the picture of our great salvation; however, all of these definitions omit one important element. In fact, this missing element is essential to understand how the Torah teaches us about salvation through Messiah Yeshua.
Let’s see if we can find a good definition of salvation from the Torah. To do this, let’s study the story of the Red Sea crossing found in Exodus 14:1-31. As you can see, this passage relates the account of the splitting of the Red Sea and the word salvation is mentioned in Exodus 14:13.
And Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. Stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which He will accomplish for you today. For the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall see again no more forever. The LORD will fight for you, and you shall hold your peace (Exodus 14:13).
As you can see, this is a very important passage to understand in our quest for the Torah’s definition of salvation. Moses told Am Yisrael (the people of Israel) to “Stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD.” In other words, the Holy One was about to give Am Yisrael a picture/definition of salvation and all they needed to do was stand back and watch it unfold beforetheir eyes! How simple can the Holy One make it? So what happened? What did the people see that can be equated with salvation? In a nutshell, the people saw two things:
1. They were delivered from the hand of their enemy.
2. Their enemy was destroyed by the hand of the Almighty.
Based on Moses’ statement, “Stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD,” and the ensuing story, I suggest that the Torah’s foundational definition of salvation can be highlighted as follows:
♦ Your enemy is about to annihilate you.
♦ You are powerless to help or defend yourself.
♦ The Holy One delivers you from the hand of your enemy.
♦ The Holy One destroys your enemy.
That’s it. Based on Exodus 14:13 and the ensuing story of the splitting of the Red Sea, you have just been taught the Torah’s foundational definition of salvation. Why is this important? It’s important because we know it is the Messiah who will bring about the Holy One’s great salvation. Therefore, if we want to understand how the Messiah will bring about our great salvation, we simply need to study those stories that define it. And it just so happens that the splitting of the Red Sea is the foundational passage defining salvation.
By now, some of you may be saying, “What does the story of the splitting of the Red Sea have to do with the salvation Yeshua brought through His death on the tree?” Well, to see the true significance of the splitting of the Red Sea, we need to remember that the Torah is a shadow of good things to come. Most of the Torah’s pictures of the Messiah are black and white snapshots of His redemptive work. Through thematic analysis, we can see a wealth of information concerning the Messiah and gain a tremendous understanding of His mission.
Here is the link to the article, as some of the images didn't come up and may be hard to read.
http://www.restorationoftorah.org/images/articles/The Gospel of the Red Sea Crossing.pdf
The Gospel of the Red Sea Crossing
by Tony Robinson
One of the greatest truths the Ruach (Spirit) is revealing in these last days concerns the simplicity of the Gospel as found in the Torah—that’s right, in the Torah. Yeshua was very emphatic that the Gospel was clearly described in the Tanakh (Old Testament). Note Luke’s account of Yeshua’s words to the two disciples traveling on the road to Emmaus:
27And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself...44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures (Luke 24:27, 44-45).
In the above passage, we are told that Yeshua taught them concerning Himself from the Torah (Law of Moses), the prophets and the Psalms (writings). The fact that He used the Torah to teach about Himself is amazing when you consider that the Torah of Moses (first five books) never even mentions the word Messiah! Yeshua made similar statements in John 5:
46For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me (John 5:46). 39You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are
they which testify of Me (John 5:39).
Although these passages are very clear, many of today’s believers would be hard pressed to find descriptions of the Gospel in the Torah. For example, if someone asked you to define the Gospel of salvation from the Torah, how would you answer? Would you say it means to be saved from eternal fire? Perhaps you might state that salvation is defined as wholeness, having your sins forgiven, and healing of your body. All of these are certainly part of the picture of our great salvation; however, all of these definitions omit one important element. In fact, this missing element is essential to understand how the Torah teaches us about salvation through Messiah Yeshua.
Let’s see if we can find a good definition of salvation from the Torah. To do this, let’s study the story of the Red Sea crossing found in Exodus 14:1-31. As you can see, this passage relates the account of the splitting of the Red Sea and the word salvation is mentioned in Exodus 14:13.
And Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. Stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which He will accomplish for you today. For the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall see again no more forever. The LORD will fight for you, and you shall hold your peace (Exodus 14:13).
As you can see, this is a very important passage to understand in our quest for the Torah’s definition of salvation. Moses told Am Yisrael (the people of Israel) to “Stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD.” In other words, the Holy One was about to give Am Yisrael a picture/definition of salvation and all they needed to do was stand back and watch it unfold beforetheir eyes! How simple can the Holy One make it? So what happened? What did the people see that can be equated with salvation? In a nutshell, the people saw two things:
1. They were delivered from the hand of their enemy.
2. Their enemy was destroyed by the hand of the Almighty.
Based on Moses’ statement, “Stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD,” and the ensuing story, I suggest that the Torah’s foundational definition of salvation can be highlighted as follows:
♦ Your enemy is about to annihilate you.
♦ You are powerless to help or defend yourself.
♦ The Holy One delivers you from the hand of your enemy.
♦ The Holy One destroys your enemy.
That’s it. Based on Exodus 14:13 and the ensuing story of the splitting of the Red Sea, you have just been taught the Torah’s foundational definition of salvation. Why is this important? It’s important because we know it is the Messiah who will bring about the Holy One’s great salvation. Therefore, if we want to understand how the Messiah will bring about our great salvation, we simply need to study those stories that define it. And it just so happens that the splitting of the Red Sea is the foundational passage defining salvation.
By now, some of you may be saying, “What does the story of the splitting of the Red Sea have to do with the salvation Yeshua brought through His death on the tree?” Well, to see the true significance of the splitting of the Red Sea, we need to remember that the Torah is a shadow of good things to come. Most of the Torah’s pictures of the Messiah are black and white snapshots of His redemptive work. Through thematic analysis, we can see a wealth of information concerning the Messiah and gain a tremendous understanding of His mission.
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Salvation Through Yeshua
The story of the splitting of the Red Sea occurs in Parashat Beshalach. As you have already seen, Moses stated that Am Yisrael were about to see the salvation of Yahweh. This Parsha contains some jewels that you will never see unless you understand Hebrew.
Moses said to the people, “Do not fear! Stand fast and see the salvation of YHVH (Exodus 14:13).”
The Hebrew word used for salvation is yeshuat, t;[Wv.y. Does the word yeshuat sound familiar? You bet it does. It is the word from which we derive the Savior’s Name, Yeshua, ;[Wv.y! It’s not many times that the Torah outright tells you that you are about to see Yeshua, so this must be important. This is a Remez (hint) level teaching that salvation will come through Yeshua! Now isn’t that amazing! By knowing the Torah’s definition of salvation, and mining it for its wisdom, we are able to see a Remez level teaching on the Messiah’s Name!
Salvation Through the Name Yahweh
Speaking of names, it just so happens that the Holy One’s name, YHVH (hwhy), actually gives a word-picture of how salvation will come. All of the Hebrew letters were given their form from the shapes of objects found in nature.
The letter yod y comes from the picture of a hand.
• The letter hey h comes from the picture of a window, meaning revelation, or that which
comes forth.
• The letter vav w comes from the picture of a nail or hook.
Knowing that salvation will come through the name YHVH (hwhy), can we glean any understanding concerning salvation (yeshuat) through Yeshua? I think so. In hindsight, we know that our redemption and salvation was paid for by Yeshua because of His being hung on a tree. We can immediately see a thematic connection between the letters of the Name YHVH (hwhy) and the work of Messiah Yeshua. Just as the letters yod (y) and vav (w) come from the picture of a hand and nail, respectively, so likewise, we understand that Yeshua’s pierced hands were nailed to the tree to bring us salvation! This is the second major revelation (h) we’ve received simply by studying the splitting of the Red Sea, the Holy One’s picture of salvation. But wait, there’s more.
The story of the splitting of the Red Sea occurs in Parashat Beshalach. As you have already seen, Moses stated that Am Yisrael were about to see the salvation of Yahweh. This Parsha contains some jewels that you will never see unless you understand Hebrew.
Moses said to the people, “Do not fear! Stand fast and see the salvation of YHVH (Exodus 14:13).”
The Hebrew word used for salvation is yeshuat, t;[Wv.y. Does the word yeshuat sound familiar? You bet it does. It is the word from which we derive the Savior’s Name, Yeshua, ;[Wv.y! It’s not many times that the Torah outright tells you that you are about to see Yeshua, so this must be important. This is a Remez (hint) level teaching that salvation will come through Yeshua! Now isn’t that amazing! By knowing the Torah’s definition of salvation, and mining it for its wisdom, we are able to see a Remez level teaching on the Messiah’s Name!
Salvation Through the Name Yahweh
Speaking of names, it just so happens that the Holy One’s name, YHVH (hwhy), actually gives a word-picture of how salvation will come. All of the Hebrew letters were given their form from the shapes of objects found in nature.
The letter yod y comes from the picture of a hand.
• The letter hey h comes from the picture of a window, meaning revelation, or that which
comes forth.
• The letter vav w comes from the picture of a nail or hook.
Knowing that salvation will come through the name YHVH (hwhy), can we glean any understanding concerning salvation (yeshuat) through Yeshua? I think so. In hindsight, we know that our redemption and salvation was paid for by Yeshua because of His being hung on a tree. We can immediately see a thematic connection between the letters of the Name YHVH (hwhy) and the work of Messiah Yeshua. Just as the letters yod (y) and vav (w) come from the picture of a hand and nail, respectively, so likewise, we understand that Yeshua’s pierced hands were nailed to the tree to bring us salvation! This is the second major revelation (h) we’ve received simply by studying the splitting of the Red Sea, the Holy One’s picture of salvation. But wait, there’s more.
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The Outstretched Hand
In Exodus 14:16, 21 and 26-27 we learn that salvation would occur through Moses’ outstretched hand. The Holy One commanded Moses to stretch forth his hand over the Red Sea in Exodus 14:16 and 26. The first time he stretched forth his hand, the Holy One delivered Am Yisrael by splitting the Red Sea so that they could escape from their enemy (Exodus 14:21). The second time he stretched forth his hand, the Egyptian army was destroyed (Exodus 14:27-28). Thus, we see that two events occurred as a result of the stretching forth of Moses’ hands. Am Yisrael were delivered from the hand of their enemy and the Egyptian army was destroyed. Since we have already learned that—according to Torah—salvation occurs when you are delivered from your enemy while they are destroyed, we can easily state that salvation occurred as a result of Moses stretching forth his arm/hand!
Now let’s ask another pertinent question. What was in Moses’ hand when he stretched it forth to bring salvation? A staff. More precisely, a wooden staff. Knowing that Messiah is the chosen One to bring forth salvation, the last two revelations teach us that salvation will occur through the outstretched hand of Messiah. Furthermore, should we not expect Messiah’s outstretched hand to be associated with wood in some manner? Yes, indeed we should. In fact, in hindsight we know this to be the case, because Messiah Yeshua’s outstretched hand was nailed to the tree! Once again we see that the story of the Red Sea crossing contains a wealth of foundational information pertaining to salvation through the Messiah. These are the Torah’s shadows of the redemption to come. They were hidden within the narrative of the Torah. And although they were hidden, at the appropriate time and in the appropriate manner they easily reveal to us the plan of salvation through the Messiah. Moses is acting as a picture of the Messiah stretching forth His hands to bring salvation. Yeshua is His name.
Did you notice how much work Am Yisrael had to do in order to help the process of salvation along?
Do not be afraid. Stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which He will accomplish for you today. For the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall see again no more forever. 14The LORD will fight for you, and you shall hold your peace [be silent] (Exodus 14:13-14)."
As you can see, they weren’t required to do much. In fact, they did nothing. This teaches us that the Messiah will perform the great work of salvation all by Himself—not by works of righteousness which we have done (Titus 3:5).
Now, let us take inventory of what we have learned thus far through the story of the splitting of the Red Sea concerning our salvation.
♦ Salvation will occur through one named salvation.
♦ Salvation will occur through the Name YHVH (h w h y ). This salvation will be
revealed (h) through a nail- (w) pierced hand (y).
♦ Salvation will occur through an outstretched hand.
♦ Salvation will occur through an outstretched hand associated with wood in some
manner.
♦ Salvation will be not dependent on the works of any man.
Now we can see the big picture. The Red Sea crossing is simply a thematic picture of salvation through the sacrificial death of Messiah Yeshua. Moses’ staff-laden outstretched hand is simply a prophetic/Messianic picture of the outstretched hand of Messiah Yeshua that was nailed to the tree (a piece of wood). With this as a foundation, you should pay attention to any reference to the outstretched hand. We should now know that it is a clear reference to salvation secured by the Messiah! And now, for the rest of the story...
Articles like this just blow my mind away, and realize we have such an awesome God that his depth in his Word has no bounds.
In Exodus 14:16, 21 and 26-27 we learn that salvation would occur through Moses’ outstretched hand. The Holy One commanded Moses to stretch forth his hand over the Red Sea in Exodus 14:16 and 26. The first time he stretched forth his hand, the Holy One delivered Am Yisrael by splitting the Red Sea so that they could escape from their enemy (Exodus 14:21). The second time he stretched forth his hand, the Egyptian army was destroyed (Exodus 14:27-28). Thus, we see that two events occurred as a result of the stretching forth of Moses’ hands. Am Yisrael were delivered from the hand of their enemy and the Egyptian army was destroyed. Since we have already learned that—according to Torah—salvation occurs when you are delivered from your enemy while they are destroyed, we can easily state that salvation occurred as a result of Moses stretching forth his arm/hand!
Now let’s ask another pertinent question. What was in Moses’ hand when he stretched it forth to bring salvation? A staff. More precisely, a wooden staff. Knowing that Messiah is the chosen One to bring forth salvation, the last two revelations teach us that salvation will occur through the outstretched hand of Messiah. Furthermore, should we not expect Messiah’s outstretched hand to be associated with wood in some manner? Yes, indeed we should. In fact, in hindsight we know this to be the case, because Messiah Yeshua’s outstretched hand was nailed to the tree! Once again we see that the story of the Red Sea crossing contains a wealth of foundational information pertaining to salvation through the Messiah. These are the Torah’s shadows of the redemption to come. They were hidden within the narrative of the Torah. And although they were hidden, at the appropriate time and in the appropriate manner they easily reveal to us the plan of salvation through the Messiah. Moses is acting as a picture of the Messiah stretching forth His hands to bring salvation. Yeshua is His name.
Did you notice how much work Am Yisrael had to do in order to help the process of salvation along?
Do not be afraid. Stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which He will accomplish for you today. For the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall see again no more forever. 14The LORD will fight for you, and you shall hold your peace [be silent] (Exodus 14:13-14)."
As you can see, they weren’t required to do much. In fact, they did nothing. This teaches us that the Messiah will perform the great work of salvation all by Himself—not by works of righteousness which we have done (Titus 3:5).
Now, let us take inventory of what we have learned thus far through the story of the splitting of the Red Sea concerning our salvation.
♦ Salvation will occur through one named salvation.
♦ Salvation will occur through the Name YHVH (h w h y ). This salvation will be
revealed (h) through a nail- (w) pierced hand (y).
♦ Salvation will occur through an outstretched hand.
♦ Salvation will occur through an outstretched hand associated with wood in some
manner.
♦ Salvation will be not dependent on the works of any man.
Now we can see the big picture. The Red Sea crossing is simply a thematic picture of salvation through the sacrificial death of Messiah Yeshua. Moses’ staff-laden outstretched hand is simply a prophetic/Messianic picture of the outstretched hand of Messiah Yeshua that was nailed to the tree (a piece of wood). With this as a foundation, you should pay attention to any reference to the outstretched hand. We should now know that it is a clear reference to salvation secured by the Messiah! And now, for the rest of the story...
Articles like this just blow my mind away, and realize we have such an awesome God that his depth in his Word has no bounds.
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A word to the wise: Most long posts don't get read. They are a waste of time and a tremendous and unnecessary inconveniencing of trillions of electrons.
I feel it is my duty to inform the world of horrible electron abuse!
I feel it is my duty to inform the world of horrible electron abuse!
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If you wanna bypass the article and click on the link, as it is more user friendly, so be it. Just thought I'd share a teaching most Christians wouldn't be exposed to. Just trying to share God's awesomeness. Nothing more, nothing less.
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So you are contributing to the horrific and intolerable abuse of electrons? How is that being a responsible steward of a website that is one of the most guilty in this ongoing issue? I'm shocked! Horrified! Angered! Kidding!
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welleth shemoth. of course. I have had that type of discussion with a poster that got me into the ramban. he read exodus and found it so deep that he couldn't even touch it after slowly teaching it. he said that he still learns from it when he rereads the book.
Isreal was to point to one man and when he came God after being rejected by isreal as foretold went to the gentiles.It was always a Hebrew-gentile think. the idea of a pure blood Hebrew being so blessed by God that only he because he is a Hebrew isn't found in the bible. God used all that were willing even gentiles. Jews today admit this.They look for a messiah to restore them to their land so that they via the torah can redeem the world.isnt that what the church is supposed to be doing?
Isreal was to point to one man and when he came God after being rejected by isreal as foretold went to the gentiles.It was always a Hebrew-gentile think. the idea of a pure blood Hebrew being so blessed by God that only he because he is a Hebrew isn't found in the bible. God used all that were willing even gentiles. Jews today admit this.They look for a messiah to restore them to their land so that they via the torah can redeem the world.isnt that what the church is supposed to be doing?