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Racism, Really?

Because government is instituted by God therefore the laws imposed are as well.
I would have to disagree a bit here, and would even say that this is dangerous thinking if strictly followed.

Govt as a concept was originally allowed by God. Man has continually found ways to pervert the original design, and thus not every law that proceeds from man should be followed as if it came from God himself. We have to use a bit of judgement/common sense to weigh these things.

Most of the common laws are the easy ones, and not many would argue. Dont steal,dont murder,etc..pretty much based on the commandments. Now what if I were a doctor and the state mandated I should comply with requests for performing abortions? I would refuse,and rightfully so. What if I were a soldier/govt official in iran and were ordered to arrest 100 people simply for being christians? I would refuse, and rightfully so..though in that case it would almost assuredly cost me my life.

So now back to the anecdote of the starving fisherman. Theres no way I would turn such a person in. Recall that in the early days God ordered a periodic season in which farmers left the harvest alone to feed the poor and so forth. Do you really think that God would consider me a wretch for disregarding a manmade law that would penalize a starving man? I tend to think not. Now if I suspected some outright poaching thats another matter.

Were also coming into a chapter of our nations history in which many things immoral are legal and certain completely moral things are illegal. The system has gone awry. We cant therefore be a nation of law abiding sticklers. Things must be weighed. There will be a time when,just as happened in Germany, it will be mandated to turn certain people in to authorities,among other more disturbing things. Only this time it wont be the jews. Already we have people working to dismantle the 1st and second amendments, and cheering while doing so.

Thomas Jefferson was credited with some very good quotes. "When injustice becomes law,resistance becomes duty." John Adams also stated that the constitution was made for a wholly moral and religious people,further stating that it is wholly inadequte to the governance of any other..which rings true considering everything we see now. Bear in mind this country was founded through some very severe instances of disobeying the law of the land as it were under british royalty. Not only were they disobeyed,but shot and killed when they persisted in their tyrannical ways.

So no, govt should not be followed to the letter because any government is simply a collection of people just like you and me. People that can be corrupt and rotten to the core. For clarity, Im not suggesting that we handle every interaction with vigilante justice as our default position.
 
I would have to disagree a bit here, and would even say that this is dangerous thinking if strictly followed.

Govt as a concept was originally allowed by God. Man has continually found ways to pervert the original design, and thus not every law that proceeds from man should be followed as if it came from God himself. We have to use a bit of judgement/common sense to weigh these things.

Most of the common laws are the easy ones, and not many would argue. Dont steal,dont murder,etc..pretty much based on the commandments. Now what if I were a doctor and the state mandated I should comply with requests for performing abortions? I would refuse,and rightfully so. What if I were a soldier/govt official in iran and were ordered to arrest 100 people simply for being christians? I would refuse, and rightfully so..though in that case it would almost assuredly cost me my life.

So now back to the anecdote of the starving fisherman. Theres no way I would turn such a person in. Recall that in the early days God ordered a periodic season in which farmers left the harvest alone to feed the poor and so forth. Do you really think that God would consider me a wretch for disregarding a manmade law that would penalize a starving man? I tend to think not. Now if I suspected some outright poaching thats another matter.

Were also coming into a chapter of our nations history in which many things immoral are legal and certain completely moral things are illegal. The system has gone awry. We cant therefore be a nation of law abiding sticklers. Things must be weighed. There will be a time when,just as happened in Germany, it will be mandated to turn certain people in to authorities,among other more disturbing things. Only this time it wont be the jews. Already we have people working to dismantle the 1st and second amendments, and cheering while doing so.

Thomas Jefferson was credited with some very good quotes. "When injustice becomes law,resistance becomes duty." John Adams also stated that the constitution was made for a wholly moral and religious people,further stating that it is wholly inadequte to the governance of any other..which rings true considering everything we see now. Bear in mind this country was founded through some very severe instances of disobeying the law of the land as it were under british royalty. Not only were they disobeyed,but shot and killed when they persisted in their tyrannical ways.

So no, govt should not be followed to the letter because any government is simply a collection of people just like you and me. People that can be corrupt and rotten to the core. For clarity, Im not suggesting that we handle every interaction with vigilante justice as our default position.
I think partly what you are saying is always keep your commonsense. And moral code. That moral code comes from being seeped in Christian values based originally on the Commandments. Occasionally secular authorities will ask us to do things that are unethical or borderline unethical. They have started to think too pragmatically instead of sticking to ideals. I mean 95% of the time, what Caesar asks of us and Jesus does, will match up anyway. It's just that now and then secular authorities are worshipping false gods like money and popularity and convenience.
 
Yes, there is inequality but I get the impression that you're position is deeper than that. Am I correct that you believe blacks are inferior to whites? If so, I don't agree with that at all and that is a racist view.

The NAACP's primary purpose is to work toward abolishing racial discrimination. That in itself would not be a racist motive but actually a very good one. I do not know how well they have stayed true to that purpose and whether or not they have pushed agendas aimed at promoting the black race above any other. That would be a racist agenda.

Affirmative action in my opinion is a racist idea that gives gender, race, creed, color and nationality favoritism above others, primarily whites. That's reverse prejudice and two wrongs do not make a right.

I believe we have come a long way over the past 100 years but there is still much to be done but what has been happening lately is not the right path to take. It is actually fostering more hatred and fueling more racism. Two of my brothers-in-law have even said it plain. One of them told me, "I was never racist before but lately I am becoming racist against blacks in particular." This is what has been happening in recent months.

You use the word 'inequality' in an acceptable way. As though it speaks to the guilt of the white race. That is the impression I get. As to 'inferior', does that mean the same as 'not equal'. Or, inferior to who? God or man?

What has the black race, as a race, contributed to civilization? Where is Africa's space program? Why are all the third world immigrants trying to get to white majority countries? Why are houses cheap in Detroit?

The NAACP's purpose is not to abolish discrimination. It is to advance the blacks. 'Abolishing discrimination' just sounds better. You say what is wrong with a race advancing itself. Nothing. And there is nothing wrong with the white race advancing itself. Yet when one does, he is racist. How about the NAAWP? Is that racist? Of course it is. It involves the advancement of the white race.

Yes, we have come along way. White people used to be proud of their people and the accomplishments they made. They used to protect their people from other races instead of looking the other way and turning them over to them. Yes we have come along way. Just not a good way.

Quantrill
 
I would have to disagree a bit here, and would even say that this is dangerous thinking if strictly followed.

Govt as a concept was originally allowed by God. Man has continually found ways to pervert the original design, and thus not every law that proceeds from man should be followed as if it came from God himself. We have to use a bit of judgement/common sense to weigh these things.

Most of the common laws are the easy ones, and not many would argue. Dont steal,dont murder,etc..pretty much based on the commandments. Now what if I were a doctor and the state mandated I should comply with requests for performing abortions? I would refuse,and rightfully so. What if I were a soldier/govt official in iran and were ordered to arrest 100 people simply for being christians? I would refuse, and rightfully so..though in that case it would almost assuredly cost me my life.

So now back to the anecdote of the starving fisherman. Theres no way I would turn such a person in. Recall that in the early days God ordered a periodic season in which farmers left the harvest alone to feed the poor and so forth. Do you really think that God would consider me a wretch for disregarding a manmade law that would penalize a starving man? I tend to think not. Now if I suspected some outright poaching thats another matter.

Were also coming into a chapter of our nations history in which many things immoral are legal and certain completely moral things are illegal. The system has gone awry. We cant therefore be a nation of law abiding sticklers. Things must be weighed. There will be a time when,just as happened in Germany, it will be mandated to turn certain people in to authorities,among other more disturbing things. Only this time it wont be the jews. Already we have people working to dismantle the 1st and second amendments, and cheering while doing so.

Thomas Jefferson was credited with some very good quotes. "When injustice becomes law,resistance becomes duty." John Adams also stated that the constitution was made for a wholly moral and religious people,further stating that it is wholly inadequte to the governance of any other..which rings true considering everything we see now. Bear in mind this country was founded through some very severe instances of disobeying the law of the land as it were under british royalty. Not only were they disobeyed,but shot and killed when they persisted in their tyrannical ways.

So no, govt should not be followed to the letter because any government is simply a collection of people just like you and me. People that can be corrupt and rotten to the core. For clarity, Im not suggesting that we handle every interaction with vigilante justice as our default position.
Just take care not to use your position above as an excuse not to help those in need.
 
Just take care not to use your position above as an excuse not to help those in need.
Not sure I understand you here. The stated position summarized is basically not following draconian laws that would ultimately bring harm to individuals or society at large, with the rationale that while "lawful" such decrees are immoral and thus ignored.
 
Not sure I understand you here. The stated position summarized is basically not following draconian laws that would ultimately bring harm to individuals or society at large, with the rationale that while "lawful" such decrees are immoral and thus ignored.
I understood your position. Seems Wip chose to misconstrue.
 
Not sure I understand you here. The stated position summarized is basically not following draconian laws that would ultimately bring harm to individuals or society at large, with the rationale that while "lawful" such decrees are immoral and thus ignored.
You think laws to protect the environment or our resources from over-use are draconian?

My point is and still remains that looking the other way when we see a person violating a fishing law because we assume they are doing it because they are hungry is un-Christian. They're hungry and while there is a chance they could obtain some food by fishing, there's no guarantee when that will happen. It's possible they could die before they successfully catch a fish. Instead of looking the other way and leaving it to chance, our Christian duty, actually commandment, is to feed that hungry person.

James put it this way, as I already posted, If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?
James 2:15-16 NKJV

And here's the commandment.
Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment. And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’"
Mark 12:29-31 NKJV

And....
Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.
Matthew 25:37-40 NKJV
 
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I live a pretty sheltered life. I live on a small hobby farm about 2 miles from a small town (pop. 1500). The nearest larger town is about 10,000. It is rare that I encounter someone that is homeless or hungry. Doesn't mean they aren't around. I just don't know it. But, there was one time my family and I had gone to the twin cities (Minnapolis/St. Paul) about 130 miles away to our state fair. At a state fair there are food venders everywhere.

While there I noticed this girl, maybe in her late teens or early 20's, walk buy. She was moving rather quickly as if on a mission. There was nothing special or unique about her other than that. I just noticed her as she passed, but, what really caught my eye was when she stopped at one of the trash cans, reached in, and pulled out some food someone else had discarded and began to eat it. She did it so quickly and almost without stopping. She was already some distance away from me so there was little I could do. Now, she didn't break any law but it was truly obvious she was hungry. If I could have caught her it would have been right and Christian for me to buy her a meal at the very least but based on how this discussion started, it was okay for me to look the other way as she scavenged because she was hungry. After all, I could see she was successful sometimes.
 
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I live a pretty sheltered life. I live on a small hobby farm about 2 miles from a small town (pop. 1500). The nearest larger town is about 10,000. It is rare that I encounter someone that is homeless or hungry. Doesn't mean they aren't around. I just don't know it. But, there was one time my family and I had gone to the twin cities (Minnapolis/St. Paul) about 130 miles away to our state fair. At a state fair there are food venders everywhere.

While there I noticed this girl, maybe in her late teens or early 20's, walk buy. She was moving rather quickly as if on a mission. There was nothing special or unique about her other than that. I just noticed her as she passed, but, what really caught my eye was when she stopped at one of the trash cans, reached in, and pulled out some food someone else had discarded and began to eat it. She did it so quickly and almost without stopping. She was already some distance away from me so there was little I could do. Now, she didn't break any law but it was truly obvious she was hungry. If I could have caught her it would have been right and Christian for me to buy her a meal at the very least.
once i thought as you do ,but well we do local churches have pantries ,also I woukd argue that laws against personal gardening ,yes my state has counties that ban or regulate it ,simple fruits etc is a bit much ,i also know that is better for you then the big companies ,oranges don't grow year round ,nor do much of what we see in produce ,some like to grow and my wife is one
 
Please explain more.
can't grow and sell ,must be in back yard . there are houses that the farmer lives on his house that sells ,in city limits ,Jacksonville ,whie he has the space ,its not zoned ag and this he can't

i bought the best collards from a retired black man who grew them in his yard .

if you must get a permit ,its not your right ,yes i get the safety ,but growing ?

yet we allow food from China !
 
You think laws to protect the environment or our resources from over-use are draconian?

My point is and still remains that looking the other way when we see a person violating a fishing law because we assume they are doing it because they are hungry is un-Christian. They're hungry and while there is a chance they could obtain some food by fishing, there's no guarantee when that will happen. It's possible they could die before they successfully catch a fish. Instead of looking the other way and leaving it to chance, our Christian duty, actually commandment, is to feed that hungry person.

James put it this way, as I already posted, If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?
James 2:15-16 NKJV

And here's the commandment.
Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment. And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’"
Mark 12:29-31 NKJV

And....
Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.
Matthew 25:37-40 NKJV
Its a little ironic that youve spoken multiple times about christian duties,yet here you are deliberately twisting context. While pasting Mark 12. Bravo.

To answer your opening shot,no. Of course not. I never even remotely stated anything of the sort, and even did outright state that in cases of suspected poaching thats another matter entirely. Thats a very far stretch from what you come along to casually throw on the table. I wont further explain. If youve missed the point thus far it likely wont help and could very well be that its ignored deliberately.


You introduced the notion that God instituted govt and therefore we are duty bound to strictly adhere to laws and report violators. "Because government is instituted by God therefore the laws imposed are as well." Nothing could be further from the truth, and it is this mindset I addressed. Hitler worked within Germanys legal system to make legal the things he did. Stalin did the same. Mao tse tung. Castro. Pol Pot. Gaddafi. All leaders of governments who structured oppressive regimes responsible for the starvation,torture,rape and death of millions (just to hit the highlights)..legally. But were duty bound to comply with these edicts..right?

It is therefore beyond ridiculous to assume that just because a law is on the books that we are duty bound to personally adhere and report those who dont. Many laws are good, and they serve a purpose. Most people adhere to the vast majority of laws with no problem. Certain laws are frivolous, petty and some even outright harmful. Many state and local govts are disallowing the growing of crops on personal property,as stated above. Some states require hazmat teams to be dispatched at great cost to a dairy farmer who commits the horrible crime of having a tanker of milk leak or spill on his property. Some leaders are working to penalize white people of today for things done by others in the past,aka reparations. Ill stop there,as the point is clear. Laws need to be weighed and if need be discarded or ignored when pushing past certain boundaries. Just because its legal does not mean it comes from the mouth of God almighty.

Just for clarity,we wound up in a much different place than we started, and I think we both see that. Your original commentary was geared more towards the hungry fisherman vs poaching. I realize that and didnt work on making more out of it with ill intent. The gist of it was to use an extreme example and further commentary to make you rethink the idea that the govt and its laws are descended from on high. With that stated,Ill rest on the matter.

One other thing Ill comment on is your seemingly legalistic and technical sense of christian duty. You state that were basically failing if we do not feed every hungry person we see,etc. Think about that practically for a moment. Very few people on this planet have the resources to fulfill the level of responsibility youre espousing here.

There is no way that I could house or feed or clothe every person Ive run across that I knew needed it. If monday I stopped to help every person I see to the level youve described I would not be able to do my job. Id get fired. My bills would go unpaid and the debts Im trying to payback would go unanswered. Now considering the bible tells us to pay back our debtors and to deal square with people,Id be in a bit of a bind. Stop and check off all the good christian boxes or pay my debts? Hm. Id also further submit that you are not capable of checking all the boxes in the kind of walk that you describe. Have you truly fed every hungry person youve encountered? Do you now house the homeless in your home? Do you give away the food harvested/grown on your farm? Surely youve been paid in cash for helping someone at some point,even received it in a gift at christmas. Did you report those earnings to the IRS like a good citizen or was that swept under the rug?

Think about it man. Use common sense. Youve attempted to establish an unattainable level of service (that you are incapable of meeting yourself) and somehow cant see it. Life isnt measured by the boxes you check, and were even told that our works are as filthy rags before the Lord. We cant earn our way to heaven,just doesnt happen. Now we are expected to be doers of Gods word,obedient as much as we can be. Im hoping somewhere Ive misunderstood your position,because if not you need to rethink some things. Ive tried to state things as neutrally as possible with the exception of my initial comment,which I leave to stand for obvious reasons.
 
You use the word 'inequality' in an acceptable way. As though it speaks to the guilt of the white race. That is the impression I get. As to 'inferior', does that mean the same as 'not equal'. Or, inferior to who? God or man?
I have a feeling you are going to avoid answering questions and try to make other people spell everything out to an absurd degree. It is very easy to imply by your last post what you have stated that black people are not equal to whites that you mean it in a disparaging way. Its not saving face to be coy.

]What has the black race, as a race, contributed to civilization?
The same thing the white race has contributed. Nothing. Races don't contribute, societies, organizations, and people contribute. White, black, etc are loose categorizations of very diverse groups. The concept of white is probably one of the most hilarious examples considering that most of Europe was not even considered white until the mid 20th century.



Where is Africa's space program?
The same place as the North American one, with the except of Australia, continents don't tend to have a space program. Countries have space programs, and yes most African countries do have their own programs. There are several satellites that have been launched by Egypt, South Africa, Morocco, Ghana, Kenya, Nigeria, etc. You are also aware that the US and Europe have also had black astronauts, engineers, and scientists that have worked in their programs since the beginning, right?



Why are all the third world immigrants trying to get to white majority countries?
The same reason why many go China and to more stable African Countries such as South Africa, Morocco and Egypt. Infrastructure tends to suffer in war torn areas and lack of resources.



Why are houses cheap in Detroit?
Oh I knew this was coming. Where in Detroit? You mean the red lined areas that were economically devastated when the majority of Steel mills and manufacturing abandoned the US for Mexican, south American, and Chinese labor? Yeah, it used to be a steel capital and lost its economic base with NAFTA and automation. Also there are parts of Detroit that are almost as expensive as chicago to live in due to it still being a Metropolis with corporations that do trade and commerce work within the city. Toronto and Windsor are 2 very close Canadian cities that do trade and business with Michigan/ the USA.


I recommend that you at least google some of this stuff before you claim it as fact in the future.
The NAACP's purpose is not to abolish discrimination. It is to advance the blacks. 'Abolishing discrimination' just sounds better. You say what is wrong with a race advancing itself. Nothing. And there is nothing wrong with the white race advancing itself. Yet when one does, he is racist. How about the NAAWP? Is that racist? Of course it is. It involves the advancement of the white race.
Ok, it seems that you are ignoring the historical context of why the NAACP exists and are choosing to focus on semantics rather than issues that are relevant. The reason what there isn't an NAAWP is because until the civil rights act the US government primarily focused on the issues of "White People" and to this day "White people" hold the majority of seats in government. The advancement The NAACP wants to achieve is more representation of a minority group. Its a lobby, Most lobbies are majority "white" so there is no specific need for a "white" specific one.

Yes, we have come along way. White people used to be proud of their people and the accomplishments they made. They used to protect their people from other races instead of looking the other way and turning them over to them. Yes we have come along way. Just not a good way.

Quantrill
That time never really existed because the concept of "white" has changed drastically from a Narrow definition of Anglo Saxons, to now most ( but not all) of Europe. Even then I think it would blow your mind that most "white" countries have histories and inclusions with Middle Eastern, African, Asian, and East European peoples. Heck, did you know there were black and Native American Vikings? That stuff is dope!
 
I have a feeling you are going to avoid answering questions and try to make other people spell everything out to an absurd degree. It is very easy to imply by your last post what you have stated that black people are not equal to whites that you mean it in a disparaging way. Its not saving face to be coy.


The same thing the white race has contributed. Nothing. Races don't contribute, societies, organizations, and people contribute. White, black, etc are loose categorizations of very diverse groups. The concept of white is probably one of the most hilarious examples considering that most of Europe was not even considered white until the mid 20th century.




The same place as the North American one, with the except of Australia, continents don't tend to have a space program. Countries have space programs, and yes most African countries do have their own programs. There are several satellites that have been launched by Egypt, South Africa, Morocco, Ghana, Kenya, Nigeria, etc. You are also aware that the US and Europe have also had black astronauts, engineers, and scientists that have worked in their programs since the beginning, right?




The same reason why many go China and to more stable African Countries such as South Africa, Morocco and Egypt. Infrastructure tends to suffer in war torn areas and lack of resources.




Oh I knew this was coming. Where in Detroit? You mean the red lined areas that were economically devastated when the majority of Steel mills and manufacturing abandoned the US for Mexican, south American, and Chinese labor? Yeah, it used to be a steel capital and lost its economic base with NAFTA and automation. Also there are parts of Detroit that are almost as expensive as chicago to live in due to it still being a Metropolis with corporations that do trade and commerce work within the city. Toronto and Windsor are 2 very close Canadian cities that do trade and business with Michigan/ the USA.


I recommend that you at least google some of this stuff before you claim it as fact in the future.

Ok, it seems that you are ignoring the historical context of why the NAACP exists and are choosing to focus on semantics rather than issues that are relevant. The reason what there isn't an NAAWP is because until the civil rights act the US government primarily focused on the issues of "White People" and to this day "White people" hold the majority of seats in government. The advancement The NAACP wants to achieve is more representation of a minority group. Its a lobby, Most lobbies are majority "white" so there is no specific need for a "white" specific one.


That time never really existed because the concept of "white" has changed drastically from a Narrow definition of Anglo Saxons, to now most ( but not all) of Europe. Even then I think it would blow your mind that most "white" countries have histories and inclusions with Middle Eastern, African, Asian, and East European peoples. Heck, did you know there were black and Native American Vikings? That stuff is dope!

And here you are entering into a post addressed to someone else, and yet do not address the questions. All the while accusing me of not answering questions. Figures. Go back and address my questions if you are interested in what I said.

Sorry, the white race has contributed much to Civilization. Africa hasn't contributed anything. Ever since God Christianized Europe from pauper to King, Western Civilization has been at the forefront of civilization. I'm not talking about tribal groups sitting around a camp fire. I'm talking about 'civilization'. Schools. Hospitals. Places of learning. All are foreign to the black race until introduced by whites.

Oh Gee, is this your argument. White people arn't white? How silly. Whites know who they are. Blacks know who whites are. But tell me, since you are confused, why are the palms of black people white. Palms of white people are not black. Same with the bottom of blacks feet. Curious.

Oh please. Africa's space program is an arrow shot in the air. Any technology used by Africa is the result of the white race. Not Africans. Africans drive cars also. But they contributed nothing to the invention and development of cars. I am not talking about individual blacks. I am talking about the black race. Individual blacks can excel and have excelled in Christian white western civilization. That is because they are part of Christian white western civilization.

But, as soon as blacks take over a certain area, and then reject that white civilization in order to be more 'black' or 'African', that area goes to the dogs. No one wants to live there. You may not like it , but everyone knows it is true. Thus, houses are cheap in Detroit. The more black a city is, the more black leadership, the more the city rots. But of course it must be the white mans fault. Just keepin the black man down. It's always someone else's fault with blacks. It is never their fault. They need someone to blame. And the white man is the best because he makes hay. Something to gain. A piece of the pie.

The NAACP is a racist organization. It is for the advancement of blacks. It is not for the advancement of other races. It certainly isn't for the advancement of the white race. It is for the black race. It is 'racist'.

Oh, because you decide the white people don't need white representation, then they shouldn't have it? Only blacks and minorities should have their race represented? Typical. And so many ignorant whites have bought into that. And now, just like this thread, they ask how did we get here. Well, you got here because you believed all this bull that atheistic liberals and the black race have been spinning. So enjoy the fruits of your labors. Sit your children in front of Sesame Street and let them be programmed. Then years later act confused as to how could this happen.

That time did exist because white people know who whites are. Just like blacks do. Black Vikings? Please. That is like saying there are black Englishman. Sure there are blacks in England who have citizenship in England. But they are Africans living in England. They are not English. The English are of the white race. You can't change it. You can dilute it but you can't change it.

Quantrill
 
Sorry, the white race has contributed much to Civilization. Africa hasn't contributed anything.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure this alone tells me all I need to know. Especially since you are Christian that Egypt was a Massive African empire and unlike what movies from the 50s made it look, Egyptians from that time period were black. There is also Morocco (formally Mali) and Carthage that wared with pre Chritsian Rome and were also empires in their own rite. There several empires where we now consider Modern day Turkey that traded with European nations and empires. There is also the Zulus that controlled most of southern Africa.



Ever since God Christianized Europe from pauper to King, Western Civilization has been at the forefront of civilization. I'm not talking about tribal groups sitting around a camp fire. I'm talking about 'civilization'. Schools. Hospitals. Places of learning. All are foreign to the black race until introduced by whites.
That's completely false. Europe was populated later than most of Northern Africa and the Middle east. Most of what you listed came from Societies like Mesopotamia which is part of the Middle east and Africa, not Europe.

Oh Gee, is this your argument. White people arn't white? How silly. Whites know who they are. Blacks know who whites are.
Thats not what I said. I said that the concept of the "white race" didn't exist until the 19th century (and only included Nordic peoples and Anglo Saxons) and the modern concpet of "White Race" didn't exist until the mid 20th Century.
But tell me, since you are confused, why are the palms of black people white. Palms of white people are not black. Same with the bottom of blacks feet. Curious.
Its the concentrations of Melanin The palms of our hands and feet don't have as much melanin. What's really interesting is that melanin levels increase the longer one's lineage was positioned relative to the equator. That is why there are varied shades of "white" and "black" people. It also explains why American and Asian people like those in India, Middle America, and Pakastan have darker skin even though blood lines had been seperated from many African bloodlines longer than most Europeans.

Oh please. Africa's space program is an arrow shot in the air.
Do you seriously think Egypt and Ghana shot their satalites into space with bows and Arrows? XD


Any technology used by Africa is the result of the white race. Not Africans.
Except that there were black scientist and engineers that worked in the American and Soviet space programs since their inception.
Africans drive cars also. But they contributed nothing to the invention and development of cars. I am not talking about individual blacks. I am talking about the black race. Individual blacks can excel and have excelled in Christian white western civilization. That is because they are part of Christian white western civilization.
The same argument also applies to the "White race" Individuals and groups innovate and contribute. Not races. Also you seem to be ignoring that while Europe was Christianizing there were massive leaps made in engineering and Mathematics in the Arabian Northern African and Middle Eastern empires Abu Ali al-Hasan ibn al-Haytham and Newton both came up with the principles of modern calculous independent of each other. What is taught as Calculous and trigonometry is a fusion of Arabian and European concepts and thermos.

But, as soon as blacks take over a certain area, and then reject that white civilization in order to be more 'black' or 'African', that area goes to the dogs. No one wants to live there. You may not like it , but everyone knows it is true. Thus, houses are cheap in Detroit. The more black a city is, the more black leadership, the more the city rots. But of course it must be the white mans fault. Just keepin the black man down. It's always someone else's fault with blacks. It is never their fault. They need someone to blame. And the white man is the best because he makes hay. Something to gain. A piece of the pie.
You are completely ignorant of polices in the US that decimated the black populations and of world history where major empires and modern Metropolises exist in Black majority countries that trade with Europe and the Americas.



Oh, because you decide the white people don't need white representation, then they shouldn't have it? Only blacks and minorities should have their race represented? Typical. And so many ignorant whites have bought into that. And now, just like this thread, they ask how did we get here. Well, you got here because you believed all this bull that atheistic liberals and the black race have been spinning. So enjoy the fruits of your labors. Sit your children in front of Sesame Street and let them be programmed. Then years later act confused as to how could this happen.
The majority of the US government is "white". The majority of the entertainment industry is "white". The majority of the economy is ran by "white people" Where are white people not represented?

That time did exist because white people know who whites are. Just like blacks do.
Not for the majority of history and until phrenology became a popular "science" in the 19th century.


Black Vikings? Please. That is like saying there are black Englishman.
Yeah, look up Geirmund Heljarskinn.



Sure there are blacks in England who have citizenship in England. But they are Africans living in England. They are not English. The English are of the white race. You can't change it. You can dilute it but you can't change it.

Quantrill
The English came from the lines of the Celtics, Saxons, and Anglos. You seem to be reduction of dark skinned humans, but don't apply the same scrutiny to Europeans.
 
Oh my goodness i cannot believe this was on the news here tonight.

Wow, someone accused someone in te USA of taking there phone and flipped out, but apparently they left there phone in a Uber.

Really, that makes the news?. Is there nothing more interesting in the world to talk about?.

Where is the possitive the first days news of the New Year after a dump year.

This country obviously has nothing to talk about if someone in the USA many thousands of miles away accused someone else of taking there phone can make the news, and its not even fresh news.
 
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure this alone tells me all I need to know. Especially since you are Christian that Egypt was a Massive African empire and unlike what movies from the 50s made it look, Egyptians from that time period were black. There is also Morocco (formally Mali) and Carthage that wared with pre Chritsian Rome and were also empires in their own rite. There several empires where we now consider Modern day Turkey that traded with European nations and empires. There is also the Zulus that controlled most of southern Africa.




That's completely false. Europe was populated later than most of Northern Africa and the Middle east. Most of what you listed came from Societies like Mesopotamia which is part of the Middle east and Africa, not Europe.


Thats not what I said. I said that the concept of the "white race" didn't exist until the 19th century (and only included Nordic peoples and Anglo Saxons) and the modern concpet of "White Race" didn't exist until the mid 20th Century.

Its the concentrations of Melanin The palms of our hands and feet don't have as much melanin. What's really interesting is that melanin levels increase the longer one's lineage was positioned relative to the equator. That is why there are varied shades of "white" and "black" people. It also explains why American and Asian people like those in India, Middle America, and Pakastan have darker skin even though blood lines had been seperated from many African bloodlines longer than most Europeans.


Do you seriously think Egypt and Ghana shot their satalites into space with bows and Arrows? XD



Except that there were black scientist and engineers that worked in the American and Soviet space programs since their inception.

The same argument also applies to the "White race" Individuals and groups innovate and contribute. Not races. Also you seem to be ignoring that while Europe was Christianizing there were massive leaps made in engineering and Mathematics in the Arabian Northern African and Middle Eastern empires Abu Ali al-Hasan ibn al-Haytham and Newton both came up with the principles of modern calculous independent of each other. What is taught as Calculous and trigonometry is a fusion of Arabian and European concepts and thermos.


You are completely ignorant of polices in the US that decimated the black populations and of world history where major empires and modern Metropolises exist in Black majority countries that trade with Europe and the Americas.




The majority of the US government is "white". The majority of the entertainment industry is "white". The majority of the economy is ran by "white people" Where are white people not represented?


Not for the majority of history and until phrenology became a popular "science" in the 19th century.



Yeah, look up Geirmund Heljarskinn.




The English came from the lines of the Celtics, Saxons, and Anglos. You seem to be reduction of dark skinned humans, but don't apply the same scrutiny to Europeans.

But Egyptians arn't negro. I have been addressing the black race, the negro race which is African. Carthaginians were not negro. Blacks often do this. Because some people in Africa have excelled, who are not black, blacks attribute their accomplishments as their own. Concerning the Zulus, they are but a tribe in Africa. The greatest contribution to South Africa was the the white race. They built a civilization which of course has now been given back to the negro's. Thus watch it now deteriorate. Blacks took over a civilization they could never have built. And for some reason everyone thinks they can maintain it.

What's false? Europe and Russia were populated by white people. That goes all the way back to the descendants of Noah. Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Shem is semetic. Japheth is the northern people, whites. Ham is Africa. See (Gen. 10), known as the table of nations. Shem is blessed. Japheth partakes of Shems blessings. Ham receives no blessing and a curse upon his descendants. (Gen. 9:20-29). Thus you have Christ coming out of Shem. And you have God Christianizing Europe. (Acts 16:6-10)

The white race, or any other race is not a concept. It is real with real distinctions. Concerning the palms of black people being white, that is interesting. You give a scientific answer but the question goes back to why? Just like I have seen it explained on one of the 'ancestory' shows, that there is no 100% negro. When they give the DNA results blacks will always have some 'white' in them. That doesn't make them white. Just shows something happened.

I have already explained that blacks in Africa benefit from the advances of civilization. That doesn't mean they contributed to them. And, as I already said, blacks can excel in a civilization not controlled by blacks. But they take on the character of that civilization which is Christian and white. Once blacks gain control and start to run that civilization, then it reverts back to tribal mentality. Thus later you can buy a house for the price of a coke, because who wants to live there. No one.

You want to say white people are represented because they exist. For that matter, black people are represented because they exist. So big deal. The point is the NAACP is racist. It is for the advancement of the black people. The NAAWP is racist. It is for the advancement of the white people. Which one is accepted as good in this country? Which one is viewed as evil in this country. Blacks are racist's and it is accepted. Blacks, and other races can have a month dedicated to their race. Oh it's all so rich in culture they say. Just try having one dedicated to the White race. Try having anything for whites and it will be classed as evil and terrible. In other words, you don't think a white person should be part of a group representing the white race without it being viewed as evil. How do you view the NAAWP?

Again, just because blacks go or are brought where whites dominate, doesn't make them white. If they advance in that civilization, they do so as a result of that civilization. The black race as a race can never dig itself out of a hole. Of course you and others will reject that statement. But that is the problem. You and America refuse to believe it. So America has no solution to the race problems in America. They refuse to acknowledge race as a factor, for or against.

Quantrill
 
But Egyptians arn't negro.
Yeah they are. Egyptians are and were very black. Movies from the 20th century that put make up on European people is not what actual Egyptians looked like. They had black curly hair and black skin.



I have been addressing the black race, the negro race which is African. Carthaginians were not negro.
Yeah they were.. black skin, curly black hair etc. Carthage was located in modern day Tunisia. A majority black country..


Blacks often do this. Because some people in Africa have excelled, who are not black, blacks attribute their accomplishments as their own.
You are doing exactly what every ignorant racist I have ever talked to does. You are completely ignorant of the histories of the countries,, empires, and the very continent you are talking about. You are using outdated terms from the 19th century that were used to justify the horrors of European and American slavery and treatment. The same logic used to claim most of Europe was not White. If you were not English or Scandinavian, you were not considered white.


Concerning the Zulus, they are but a tribe in Africa. The greatest contribution to South Africa was the the white race. They built a civilization which of course has now been given back to the negro's. Thus watch it now deteriorate. Blacks took over a civilization they could never have built. And for some reason everyone thinks they can maintain it.
Yep, you don't know anything about this either. The Zulu nation spanned most of southern Africa ( Not South Africa, southern) South Africa is a faction of the former empire. What you are explaining is the colonization that happened when England was running its empire where the former civilizations were raided and destroyed, then the people subjugated for generations being enslaved and denied human rights. You literally have no grasp of the history of African continent.

What's false?
Basically most of what you are saying is false or at the least completely ignorant.
Europe and Russia were populated by white people.
Not according to the English who invented the idea of the White race. You are literally using terms and concepts that were invented by the British/English Empire to justify its conquests of Africa, Asia, and the America's. Once genetics was discovered it was found that most of the concepts on race from the English royal society were completely wrong.


That goes all the way back to the descendants of Noah. Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Shem is semetic. Japheth is the northern people, whites. Ham is Africa. See (Gen. 10), known as the table of nations. Shem is blessed. Japheth partakes of Shems blessings. Ham receives no blessing and a curse upon his descendants. (Gen. 9:20-29). Thus you have Christ coming out of Shem. And you have God Christianizing Europe. (Acts 16:6-10)
Yep, more British Royal society nonsense. Jesus was Semetic, and until the English empire Jesus was portrayed as being very Mediterranean in complexion and physical appearance. The area Jesus was born would not be white by any European standard at the time. Most of Rome would not be considered white. Heck the Roman's considered the northern European peoples ( The Norman's (modern day England,) and the Gals (Modern day Austria,Germany, and most of Eastern Europe)) to being barbaric uneducated races. You literally have no grasp on the history you are talking about.


The white race, or any other race is not a concept. It is real with real distinctions.
Invented by the English Royal society to justify the enslavement and subjugation of non English people during the height of the English Empire.

Concerning the palms of black people being white, that is interesting. You give a scientific answer but the question goes back to why? Just like I have seen it explained on one of the 'ancestory' shows, that there is no 100% negro. When they give the DNA results blacks will always have some 'white' in them. That doesn't make them white. Just shows something happened.
The real reason is because skin tone is determined by melanin. There is no white gene or genes. Skin-color is determined by several genes that activate to produce melanin. When "black" and white people have children the several genes that dictate melanin production become more diverse and the less a strong melanin representation is in generation the lighter the skin tone will become. Most Northern Europeans have genetic mutations that turn off the various genes that dictate melanin because people in climates where the sun is obscured for months of the year don't tend to have issues with skin cancer. However, "white" people that get heavier tans or elongated sun exposer tend to contract skin cancer pretty easily.

I have already explained that blacks in Africa benefit from the advances of civilization. That doesn't mean they contributed to them. And, as I already said, blacks can excel in a civilization not controlled by blacks. But they take on the character of that civilization which is Christian and white. Once blacks gain control and start to run that civilization, then it reverts back to tribal mentality. Thus later you can buy a house for the price of a coke, because who wants to live there. No one.
What you stating here is not backed up by any real evidence. Yes, the English and Portuguese imported and brought resources to PARTS of Africa where infrastructure was not easily constructed and the cultures that formed in those areas of Africa were due to the lack of stable farm land. One of the biggest benefits of the Mediterranean and European booms in society was due to fertile farm land. Nomadic people don't have the same luxury to build societies. The English were able to import resources to the Northern African Continent and Europe to supplement the societies that now rely on mining precious metals for their economic structure.

A lot of what you are talking about did not come about due to skin tone or any specific genetic factor. Its literally because you are literally lumping together multiple cultures, empires, and civilizations under an umbrella term "white" and ignoring the fact that many of these "white" people spent millennia trading with Asian, Northern African, and Middle Eastern nations, and spread ideas and concepts through trade routes that were established before Christianity. There were civilizations with education, metal working, science, technology, agriculture, etc. before the Roman Empire.

A lot of the people you want to refer to as "Negro" were nomadic people due to the lack of stable farm land. Its very hard to have stable technological societies when people had to move over large swaths of territories and had to war with neighboring peoples for resources.

You want to say white people are represented because they exist. For that matter, black people are represented because they exist. So big deal.
Its literally like you are refusing to grasp what I'm trying to explain. Its not because "white" people exist, its because the population of "white people" is higher and have stable roots in Industry, education, and government. Something the Black, Asian, and native population doesn't have.
The point is the NAACP is racist. It is for the advancement of the black people.
An organization that was created back when black people were considered inferior than white people and did not have equality under the law. It still exists because as you demonstrating there is a lot of ignorance about basic humanity.


The NAAWP is racist. It is for the advancement of the white people. Which one is accepted as good in this country?
The NAAWP would be a rascist organization since "white" people were not a subjugated group in the US that needs to organize to dispel hundreds of years of misinformation and a legal representative organization to represent a minority status rights.

Which one is viewed as evil in this country.
So far a lot of what you have stated is outdated propaganda that was invented by an empire to justify its atrocities and adapted by people in the US to further justify slavery and the subjugation of minorities.
 
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