Bible Study Rapture

[ezrider]

The children of darkness know nothing of a consuming fire, but those who trust in the Lord will not be overtaken in darkness as we will see the brightness of His coming.

Actually, the children of darkness and the children of disobedience try to warn others of God's consuming fire and great wrath.

1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

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But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.

1 Thessalonians 5:4-5

We all know here that even the devil can quote scripture. But in the absence of the scripture, share the word that is written upon your heart, for that was a promise to those born again. I already know what the scriptures say.

 

[JLB]

We all know here that even the devil can quote scripture. But in the absence of the scripture, share the word that is written upon your heart, for that was a promise to those born again. I already know what the scriptures say.

Please share the signs, that the “friend of the Bridegroom” says that you are to look for?

I would like for everyone to have the oppurtunity to test the spirit that is giving you these spiritual signs to look for.


Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1



JLB

 

[ezrider]

I take it you believe in a pretrib Rapture of the Church, but scripture is very clear that Christ returns on the last day after the tribulation for a that time of His coming he will destroy the beast and false prophet by the brightness of His coming as He cast them into the Lake of fire.

I believe in no such rapture of the Church whatsoever, at least the carnal version being shopped around about flying off in the clouds. I'm already surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses.

At this last trump we who are still alive will be caught up together with those who sleep in their graves and then be with the Lord forever in the New Jerusalem that will be ushered down from heaven, John 5:28, 29;

I cut it off at John 5:28-29 because this does not happen at the 7th trump. It happens at midnight when a cry is heard. Matt 25:6

The wise virgins awake to the resurrection to life (John 5:28, Dan 12:2) and follow on to know the Lord (Hosea 6:3). The foolish virgins awake to the resurrection of damnation (John 5:29, Dan 12:2) and then run to and seeking after the knowledge of the Lord, but they shall not find it (Amos 8:11-13). They shall run to and fro, and their knowledge of wickedness their knowledge of the law shall increase (Dan 12:4). Beware, for the Lord did declare that He would send them a strong delusion (2 Thes 2:11).



Deuteronomy 30:11-14
For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

Romans 10:5-8
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

 

[JLB]

I believe in no such rapture of the Church whatsoever, at least the carnal version being shopped around about flying off in the clouds. I'm already surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses.

17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:17


These are Spiritual words conveyed to us by The Holy Spirit, through the Apostle Paul.



JLB

 

[ezrider]

Please share the signs your “friend of the Bridegroom” says that you are to look for?


Are you communicating with one of His Apostles?

Because that is who the friends of the Bridegroom are?

Please share the signs, that the “friend of the Bridegroom” says that you are to look for?

I would like for everyone to have the oppurtunity to test the spirit that is giving you these spiritual signs to look for.

Well then if someone wishes to test it, they can look up the scriptures themselves, that is if they were actually paying attention. But you are not really interested in learning, I see you as more into the controversy and playing games. But hey have at it. What is apparent to me is you actually have no clue who I am refering to when I speak of the Friend of the Bridegroom, and I feel compelled not to tell you. You have your signs, go and look for them oh watchman upon the wall.

Can one see a word spoken?

 

[ezrider]

These are they of an antichrist spirit that followed Christ at one time as they only had a carnal knowledge of Him and only knew Him as a friend. I bet they were pretty surprised when Christ said depart from me I never knew you.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

The spirit of antichrist denies that the Spirit of Christ has come into our flesh and has taken up His temple. The spirit of antichrist denies the word of the Lord was sent forth of Zion. The spirit of antichrist refuses to beat his sword into a plow share and his spear into a prunning hook, saying the time has not yet come. The spirit of antichrist is the spirit of the accuser who speaks of God's wrath to those they judge thus according to the works of the law.

 

[JLB]

Well then if someone wishes to test it, they can look up the scriptures themselves, that is if they were actually paying attention.

First you said the signs from the scriptures that are happening in the world are of the were flesh.

I have asked the question before, but everyone seems to be solely focused on signs in the world that are of the flesh. That which is of the flesh is flesh, and that which is of the spirit is spirit. If you were listening for the voice of the friend of the bridegroom, then what would it sound like? A voice crying in the wilderness... what would you expect to hear?

Anyone?

Then I asked -

Please share the signs your “friend of the Bridegroom” says that you are to look for?

Are you communicating with one of His Apostles?

Because that is who the friends of the Bridegroom are.



Now you are telling me to look up the scriptures???? LOL


What happened to the voice of the friend of the Bridegroom?




JLB

 

[JLB]

The spirit of antichrist denies that the Spirit of Christ has come into our flesh and has taken up His temple.

The scripture reads -

and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. 1 John 4:3


It does not say anything about Jesus Christ has come in our flesh.


Jesus Christ is the Lord God who came in the flesh and dwelt among us.


That is what the antichrist spirit denies.


JLB

 

[ezrider]

Because that is who the friends of the Bridegroom are.

Where in the scriptures are the Apostles referenced to as the "friend of the bridegroom"?

 

[ezrider]

The scripture reads -

and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. 1 John 4:3


It does not say anything about Jesus Christ has come in our flesh.

Well then let us reason together, shall we? I mean if we stay in context with what is written in the the following verse, then how should we consider He, being the Spirit of Christ in us to be greater than he who is in the world, if that is the Spirit of Christ has not yet come into our flesh? This is a spirit of antichrist.

 

[JLB]

Where in the scriptures are the Apostles referenced to as the "friend of the bridegroom"?

14 Then the disciples of John came to Him, saying, “Why do we and the Pharisees fast often, but Your disciples do not fast?” 15 And Jesus said to them, “Can the friends of the bridegroom mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? But the days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast. Matthew 9:14-15




JLB

 

[ezrider]

14 Then the disciples of John came to Him, saying, “Why do we and the Pharisees fast often, but Your disciples do not fast?” 15 And Jesus said to them, “Can the friends of the bridegroom mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? But the days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast. Matthew 9:14-15




JLB

Ah, but they were not yet Apostles, were they? They as disciples were friends of the bridegroom, but then the bridegroom was taken from them. When he came unto them again, they did not know him. But there was another.

 

[JLB]

Well then let us reason together, shall we? I mean if we stay in context with what is written in the the following verse, then how should we consider He, being the Spirit of Christ in us to be greater than he who is in the world, if that is the Spirit of Christ has not yet come into our flesh? This is a spirit of antichrist.

1. I didn't say Christ does not dwell within those who believe.

I said the scripture reads [that you misquoted]

the scripture reads -

and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. 1 John 4:3


It does not say anything about Jesus Christ has come in our flesh.

2. Christ dwells in our hearts, not in our flesh.​

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14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father [f]of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, 17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, Ephesians 3:14-17​

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Sin dwells in our flesh.​

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Paul made this statement about the life of Jesus would also be manifested in his flesh, being a reference to the resurrection of his mortal body, and not that Jesus dwelled in his flesh.​

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10 always carrying about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body. 11 For we who live are always delivered to death for Jesus’ sake, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. 12 So then death is working in us, but life in you. 13 And since we have the same spirit of faith, according to what is written, “I believed and therefore I spoke,” we also believe and therefore speak, 14 knowing that He who raised up the Lord Jesus will also raise us up with Jesus, and will present us with you. 2 Corinthians 4:10-14

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JLB​

 

[JLB]

Ah, but they were not yet Apostles, were they? They as disciples were friends of the bridegroom, but then the bridegroom was taken from them. When he came unto them again, they did not know him. But there was another.

Read the scripture again.

14 Then the disciples of John came to Him, saying, “Why do we and the Pharisees fast often, but Your disciples do not fast?”15 And Jesus said to them, “Can the friends of the bridegroom mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? But the days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast. Matthew 9:14-15

• But the days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast.

The friends of the Bridegroom fasted, after the Bridegroom was taken away from them.

At that time they were Apostles.

The Apostles were called friends of the Bridegroom.



If you have a "word" from the friend of the bridegroom, please share it with us, so we can test the spirit you are listening to.




JLB

 

[ezrider]

1. I didn't say Christ does not dwell within those who believe.

But you have consistently asserted that Christ has not yet returned, and that he only returns at the last trump. If the Spirit of Christ has not yet returned, then how can you say that he dwells within those who believe? He can not dwell with a believer if he has not yet returned

I said the scripture reads [that you misquoted]

the scripture reads -

and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. 1 John 4:3


It does not say anything about Jesus Christ has come in our flesh.

1 John 4:4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Oh, that we have this treasure in our earthen vessels!

Christ dwells in our hearts, not in our flesh.

My body is made of flesh, and of blood and water. My heart pumps the blood wherein is life. If Christ dwells in our hearts, then how can you say he does dwell in our flesh. If your heart isn't within your flesh, then where is it? Do you have a heart?

 

[ezrider]

The Apostles were called friends of the Bridegroom.

At what time did the Apostles say they were a voice crying in the wilderness?

If you have a "word" from the friend of the bridegroom, please share it with us, so we can test the spirit you are listening to.

Who said I had a "word" from the friend of the bridegroom? Only you I guess. But who are you that you should sit in judgement over God's word? How long do you continue to test the word of the Lord before you believe? If one wishes to hear the word of the Lord, then they must stop sitting in judgement over it.

 

[JLB]

But you have consistently asserted that Christ has not yet returned, and that he only returns at the last trump. If the Spirit of Christ has not yet returned, then how can you say that he dwells within those who believe? He can not dwell with a believer if he has not yet returned

His Spirit dwells in our hearts.

He Himself is seated at the right hand of God and will appear a second time at the end of the age.


JLB

 

[JLB]

My body is made of flesh, and of blood and water. My heart pumps the blood wherein is life. If Christ dwells in our hearts, then how can you say he does dwell in our flesh. If your heart isn't within your flesh, then where is it?

So you don’t understand the difference between your physical heart that pumps blood and your heart that is the seat of intellect of your spirit?


JLB

 

[JLB]

At what time did the Apostles say they were a voice crying in the wilderness?

I never said the Apostles were a voice crying in the wilderness.

 

[JLB]

Who said I had a "word" from the friend of the bridegroom?

again here is your comment about the signs Jesus gave from the scriptures-


ezrider said -

I have asked the question before, but everyone seems to be solely focused on signs in the world that are of the flesh. That which is of the flesh is flesh, and that which is of the spirit is spirit. If you were listening for the voice of the friend of the bridegroom, then what would it sound like? A voice crying in the wilderness... what would you expect to hear?

Anyone?



Now I will ask you your question -

If you were listening for the voice of the friend of the bridegroom, then what would it sound like?


My answer to you -

I don’t listen for the voice of the friend of the Bridegroom.


Can you name one sign that we are watch for that will indicate His coming will be very soon?


What sign does the voice of the friend of the Bridegroom say will be a sign of His coming soon?



JLB