Bible Study Rapture

[for_his_glory]

I believe in no such rapture of the Church whatsoever, at least the carnal version being shopped around about flying off in the clouds. I'm already surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses.

This is the cloud of witnesses in Hebrews 21:1-3 and has nothing to do with 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

 

[for_his_glory]

The spirit of antichrist denies that the Spirit of Christ has come into our flesh and has taken up His temple. The spirit of antichrist denies the word of the Lord was sent forth of Zion. The spirit of antichrist refuses to beat his sword into a plow share and his spear into a prunning hook, saying the time has not yet come. The spirit of antichrist is the spirit of the accuser who speaks of God's wrath to those they judge thus according to the works of the law.

Did your friends of Christ teach you this as the Spirit of Christ does not come into our flesh, but dwells in our spirit as flesh is enmity against the Spirit, John 14:15-17; Romans 8:1-9.

BTW, unless I missed it just who are these friends of Christ you speak of?

 

[JLB]

i am sorry also i just realized its like a well to deep and over your head ..it amazes me how you know so much but know so little

More insults?

So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! Matthew 24:33

Ok.


If you don't want to share with us what some of the signs that Jesus gave us to watch for, before the Day of His coming, then I guess you have your reasons.


The good thing is now you know that His coming is not imminent and there are things for us to watch for, that will take place, so that the Day of the Lord does not come as a thief in the night for you.



JLB

 

[JLB]

Did your friends of Christ teach you this as the Spirit of Christ does not come into our flesh, but dwells in our spirit as flesh is enmity against the Spirit, John 14:15-17; Romans 8:1-9.

BTW, unless I missed it just who are these friends of Christ you speak of?

The Apostles.


14 Then the disciples of John came to Him, saying, “Why do we and the Pharisees fast often, but Your disciples do not fast?” 15 And Jesus said to them, “Can the friends of the bridegroom mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? But the days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast. Matthew 9:14-15



JLB

 

[ezra]

More insults?

i learned them from you.. ya know add dry wood to the fire under the kettle of water and has the heat builds up the water boils over..o and you say how did that happen. i have agreed with you in scriptures .. i am done you can debate argue when how time day Christ will return.. no matter to me o might i add the insults? more like sarcasm

 

[for_his_glory]

But you have consistently asserted that Christ has not yet returned, and that he only returns at the last trump. If the Spirit of Christ has not yet returned, then how can you say that he dwells within those who believe? He can not dwell with a believer if he has not yet returned

I know you asked JLB this question, but what he and I are trying to get you to understand is that Christ is still sitting at the right hand of the Father in the heavenly realm and does not return until the last day as at that time He will make an end to all evil abominations on earth and then we who are still alive and those asleep in the grave will be caught up to Him. What indwells us while here on this present earth is the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of God being the Holy Spirit (Trinity) that indwells those who are Spiritually born again as when Christ ascended into heaven He sent us the Holy Spirit, John 3:5-7; 14:25,26; Acts 1:9-11

 

[JLB]

i learned them from you.. ya know add dry wood to the fire under the kettle of water and has the heat builds up the water boils over..o and you say how did that happen. i have agreed with you in scriptures .. i am done you can debate argue when how time day Christ will return.. no matter to me o might i add the insults? more like sarcasm

No sarcasm here, sir.

Just a simple question, to which you have done nothing but insult me, for asking.



Here is your statement -

here is what is sad FOR 20 PAGES there has been discussion / debate on scripture some have hit left field have no clue to home plate,,,, were missing the point he is returning for those who love his appearing for those who are ready and those who are watching .. so in the Long run Christ will return when our heavenly father says its time . when the fire comes the million dollar mansions ..the Mercedes the big bank accounts will burn the same as the average house the fords the Chevy all will be ashes i am like Kenny hinson call me what ya want but call me gone

were missing the point he is returning for those who love his appearing for those who are ready and those who are watching

Ready are watching for what?



JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

here is what is sad FOR 20 PAGES there has been discussion / debate on scripture some have hit left field have no clue to home plate,,,, were missing the point he is returning for those who love his appearing for those who are ready and those who are watching .. so in the Long run Christ will return when our heavenly father says its time . when the fire comes the million dollar mansions ..the Mercedes the big bank accounts will burn the same as the average house the fords the Chevy all will be ashes i am like Kenny hinson call me what ya want but call me gone

No one is missing the point of Christ returning, but many refuse to read and understand, (not the day or hour), but the signs Christ himself has already given us to watch for. Signs like that of Matthew 24:29-31 and those things which must come first, Matthew 24:1-26, so we will be prepared to be His Bride so we are not taken as a theif in the night when He does return on the last day.

 

[for_his_glory]

The Apostles.


14 Then the disciples of John came to Him, saying, “Why do we and the Pharisees fast often, but Your disciples do not fast?” 15 And Jesus said to them, “Can the friends of the bridegroom mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? But the days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast. Matthew 9:14-15



JLB

I read your reply to EZ earlier, but left it alone, but will now comment on it.

Just as the Disciples were called to follow Jesus they were yet Disciples without any Spiritual knowledge as this made them only friends of Christ. It would not be until the day of Pentecost that they would have their Spiritual eyes and ears opened as Christ breathed on them and told them to receive the Holy Spirit, John 20:19-22. After they received they became the Apostles of Christ as He sent them out to preach the Gospel. They became the Bride of Christ that day just as we become the Bride of Christ through the Spiritual rebirth and indwelled with the Holy Spirit.

 

[JLB]

I read your reply to EZ earlier, but left it alone, but will now comment on it.

Just as the Disciples were called to follow Jesus they were yet Disciples without any Spiritual knowledge as this made them only friends of Christ. It would not be until the day of Pentecost that they would have their Spiritual eyes and ears opened as Christ breathed on them and told them to receive the Holy Spirit, John 20:19-22. After they received they became the Apostles of Christ as He sent them out to preach the Gospel. They became the Bride of Christ that day just as we become the Bride of Christ through the Spiritual rebirth and indwelled with the Holy Spirit.

And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Cananite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him. 5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. 9 Provide neither gold nor silver nor copper in your money belts, 10 nor bag for your journey, nor two tunics, nor sandals, nor staffs; for a worker is worthy of his food. Matthew 10:1-10



JLB

 

[ezra]

No one is missing the point of Christ returning, but many refuse to read and understand, (not the day or hour), but the signs Christ himself has already given us to watch for. Signs like that of Matthew 24:29-31 and those things which must come first, Matthew 24:1-26, so we will be prepared to be His Bride so we are not taken as a theif in the night when He does return on the last day.

o wait but though the word watch puts confusion into the post . as i have said many times we watch by living our life in such a manner as we should. just like if you know company is coming you like to straighten up your house even more. we watch by keeping our spiritual house in order !!!! prepared watching two key words ..but yes the point has been missed with some everybody is right..another post a poster bought a David Jeremiah study Bible. he is good teacher a southern baptist who teaches pre trib with scripture to back it up. been a while since i heard him then there is Erwin baxter his teaching is opposite of David Jeremiah. not %100 sure on jay Vernon McGee where he stands

 

[for_his_glory]

o wait but though the word watch puts confusion into the post . as i have said many times we watch by living our life in such a manner as we should. just like if you know company is coming you like to straighten up your house even more. we watch by keeping our spiritual house in order !!!! prepared watching two key words ..but yes the point has been missed with some everybody is right..another post a poster bought a David Jeremiah study Bible. he is good teacher a southern baptist who teaches pre trib with scripture to back it up. been a while since i heard him then there is Erwin baxter his teaching is opposite of David Jeremiah. not %100 sure on jay Vernon McGee where he stands

Being prepared and watching are key elements. If we do not know what it is that we are to be watching for as in those things which must come first we could be taken as a theif in the night. Many that are yet of little knowledge or understanding do not know the signs and this is why we teach what the signs are that Christ gave us in Matthew Chapter 24 which is an outline of Revelations.

I use to believe all those pretrib preachers, but at that time in my life I had little knowledge. I just believed them because they are Pastors and would know what they are talking about. It wasn't until I really started studying their supporting scriptures that I found nothing of any pretrib rapture. That started me on my journey to find truth. There are no scriptures that speak of a pretrib. If there are I wish someone would show them to me.

 

[ezra]

Being prepared and watching are key elements. If we do not know what it is that we are to be watching for as in those things which must come first we could be taken as a theif in the night. Many that are yet of little knowledge or understanding do not know the signs and this is why we teach what the signs are that Christ gave us in Matthew Chapter 24 which is an outline of Revelations.

I use to believe all those pretrib preachers, but at that time in my life I had little knowledge. I just believed them because they are Pastors and would know what they are talking about. It wasn't until I really started studying their supporting scriptures that I found nothing of any pretrib rapture. That started me on my journey to find truth. There are no scriptures that speak of a pretrib. If there are I wish someone would show them to me.

if someone make a profession of faith of salvation and they have no idea what to watch or how to watch . i have doubts of them ever being saved !!!!!

There are no scriptures that speak of a pretrib. If there are I wish someone would show them to me

well David Jeremiah is pre trib he pastors shadow mountain community Church in calif . i have read his material as well as others from other sides of the coin.. he does have scriptures to back up his pre trib.. i am not interested in the game of pre mid or after i can not change how it will happen .you stated you been studying REV. close 40 years that is great he has also at least 40 maybe LONGER.. i see the signs they all point he could return any moment " 25:13 Therefore stay alert, because you do not know the day or the hour " stay alert/watch do we stay up all night drinking black coffee during the day watch the eastern sky all day? no we watch by walking in the spirit who leads us guides us directs us to all truth we need to know.... i can respect both sides of the fence on teaching

 

[ezrider]

LOL.



Can you point out where I asked you for a sign from the friend of the Bridegroom, the spirit who seems to give you spiritual signs, instead of the fleshly signs that Jesus gave us from the scriptures.





JLB

Well let's see, shall we?

Please share the signs your “friend of the Bridegroom” says that you are to look for?

that looks like a request to me..

Please share the signs, that the “friend of the Bridegroom” says that you are to look for?

and again

If you have a "word" from the friend of the bridegroom, please share it with us,

How about this?

What sign does the voice of the friend of the Bridegroom say will be a sign of His coming soon?



JLB

That one was pretty direct; And yet you say that you did not ask.

I didn’t ask for a sign from the friend of the Bridegroom.

By my count you have asked at least three times for a sign and once for a word. But if you don't who the voice crying in the wilderness is, then why did you ask for a sign?

 

[ezrider]

Why would the children of darkness warn others and not take heed of what they are warning others and come to Christ? This makes no sense at all

Why that is a good question, I guess because they loved the darkness more than they loved the light. Maybe if they would have accepted the word spoken from Zion, they would have understood and let the light shine forth into their hearts. But some are happy to sit in the darkness waiting and warning others about the wrath of the light to come.

Matthew 7:1-5
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.


John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

 

[ezrider]

I would have thought you would know the simplicity of the parable of the ten virgins. Five already prepared themselves to be the Bride of Christ and will be caught up to Him when He returns as their names are written in the Lamb's Book of life as written in 1 Corinthians 15:51-57; 21 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Rev 3:5 and especially John 6:40 when Christ returns on the last day. The other five virgins were not prepared and their names not found written in the Lamb's Book of life.

I understand the simplicity of it, as well as the complexity of it. What make you think the wise virgins were already prepared? They too were fast asleep with the unwise when the cry was heard.

Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst, for they shall be filled. They shall never hunger nor thirst. But the unwise only knew the words of the book, but lacked the faith to follow on to know the Lord. They instead return to those who buy and sell in search of the word of the Lord. but it shall remain hidden from them.

Amos 8:11-13
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God,
that I will send a famine in the land,
not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water,
but of hearing the words of the Lord:
And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east,
they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.
In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.

Isaiah 29:7-8
And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel,
even all that fight against her
and her munition, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision.
It shall even be as when an hungry man dreameth, and, behold, he eateth;
but he awaketh, and his soul is empty:
or as when a thirsty man dreameth, and, behold, he drinketh;
but he awaketh, and, behold, he is faint, and his soul hath appetite:
so shall the multitude of all the nations be,
that fight against mount Zion.


John 4:14
But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

John 6:35
And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.


Do you recall what happened to the manna from heaven when the children of Israel gathered more than their portion?

 

[ezrider]

Did your friends of Christ teach you this as the Spirit of Christ does not come into our flesh, but dwells in our spirit as flesh is enmity against the Spirit, John 14:15-17; Romans 8:1-9.

Oh no. This is this the word that I have heard of my Father. But my friends have confirmed it for me. Both you and JLB seem to have this same astoundingly confusing position. You say he dwells within our spirit, but then where does our spirit dwell? Has your spirit left its abode? Are you not in a carnal flesh body at this very moment? Does my spirit body exist somewhere outside of me? Should we look first to find our own spirit before we look for the Spirit of Christ? Or should we look first for the Spirit of Christ so that together we can then find our own spirit?


The spirit of antichrist denies that Jesus has came in the flesh. You said the Spirit of Christ does not come into our flesh because the flesh is emnity against the Spirit. You pride yourself on knowing the words of the book, but you still do not understand the Word of the Lord, or you would know and understand that the WORD became FLESH.

BTW, unless I missed it just who are these friends of Christ you speak of?

You have been missing it all along.



Deuteronomy 30:11-14
For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

Romans 10:6-8
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above). Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead). But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

 

[ezra]

what does it mean to watch for Christ return ? the rapture the 2nd coming of Christ .has been hashed around so much its like a science or math equation . we have it all worked out and no the answer . some have said watch what to watch <sigh> i have posted this numerous times live your life like he could return at any second . a twinkling of a eye is just a split second .which can not be measured . it will happen so quick there will be no time to get ready.
i did a search ran across this
That is what occurred to the church. It was not literally asleep, but it became insensitive to its relationship with Jesus Christ. It became insensitive to its spiritual responsibilities. This do not mean that church members were out freely breaking the laws of God, but the relationship was still nonetheless deteriorating because of that lack of attention.

so to answer the silly question what are we to watch for... our relationship with Christ that it does not go Luke warm Paul said not be conformed to this world we live in but renewed by the transforming /changing of our minds by the Holy Spirit . if we are trying to live for him trying to be doer of the word not a hearer only . then we will know that when we see these things going on .. we can look up cause our redemption draws nigh close

Watching means properly using our minds


https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/cgg/ID/3143/Watch-Pray-Always.htm

 

[Douglas Summers]

Could you list some of the things that we are to be watching for?

I believe that only the Church will "inherit" the Kingdom as Son's of God and God as Father and Christ a brother according to the Spirit and will rule with Christ as priest and kings (Rom. 8:1-39; Rev. 1:6; 1 Cor. 6:1-5). And the Epistles are to the Church while Israel as a nation is set aside till the Church is complete, (Acts is very clear on this Acts 15:13-17.) The word "Inherit" is peculiar (only to the Church). Everyone will be resurrected in their own order, And we are the "First fruits of Christ" (1 Cor. 15:20-23). "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Cor. 49-50) The information and teaching is to the saints or sanctified body of Christ, and will come as a thief in the night. I believe that 2 Pet. 3:10-14 "Day of The Lord" covers, (in this order) Rapture of the Church, OT saints, 3 1/2 year tribulation, 3 1/2 year Great tribulation, The raising of the Tribulation saints, New heaven and earth, Millennial, with all the earthly promises fulfilled to Israel, Armageddon, Second resurrection of Judgments (plural) of the evil dead, Eternal life with Christ.

 

[ezrider]

No one is missing the point of Christ returning, but many refuse to read and understand,

What is it that you refuse to read and understand?

(not the day or hour), but the signs Christ himself has already given us to watch for.

How does one watch for the wind? Can one see the wind? For those who stand watch, what is it they see? Only a branch shaken and broken reed. They can not tell you of the wind, only what they see hear once the wind has already come.

JLB keeps asking for a sign, and you keep telling us Christ has given us the signs to watch for. So why then do you feel the need to frighten others by warning them of God's mighty wrath. Have you not yet heard the Gospel of the Kingdom? The friend of the bridegroom was sent to prepare the way of the Lord, and yet his voice still seems lost to both of you.