Reforming the Church

[Solo]

No, the church does not need a modern day reformation.

The church needs to return to its roots, and to follow the Word of God. Where each member is in line with the gospel of Jesus Christ, keep on going; where each member is not in line with the gospel of Jesus Christ, repent, and keep on going.

Could that be what the problem is Solo, that they don't know what the gospel is?

God's letters to the seven Churches reveal that some good and some bad exist in all of the Churches but one. Some at Sardis are unstained while others need to repent. To generalize that the entire Body of Christ misses the mark is erroneous thinking. The Body of Jesus Christ still upholds the gospel, there are just some false prophets and unrepentant members that the enemy uses to accuse the whole bunch.

 

[John the Baptist]

Reform? Does anyone know what the 'wine of Babylon' signifies? Some of the ones in the church 'folds' hang on to doctrines that are known to be false teaching. They would rather die than admit to the Holy Spirits Romans 8:14 Leading that they are wrong. And this has been going on for years. And die they will, teaching what is known to be heresy! See Revelation 22:18-19! And Christ's broken heart. : Luke 19:41

Will we see a reform? Christ arose from the dead in His day, yet He told us a repeated Truth in Luke 16:31 that most do not even understand because they are more interested in teaching false doctrine. But Christ said that if one will not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."

Remember that a revival with a lot of excitement, feeling stirred up, emotion, noise, hollering & shouts, is not a reformation of tossing out all of satanic false doctrines!
Check out Isaiah 59:1-2.

---John

 

[Solo]

Reform? Does anyone know what the 'wine of Babylon' signifies? Some of the ones in the church 'folds' hang on to doctrines that are known to be false teaching. They would rather die than admit to the Holy Spirits Romans 8:14 Leading that they are wrong. And this has been going on for years. And die they will, teaching what is known to be heresy! See Revelation 22:18-19! And Christ's broken heart. : Luke 19:41

Will we see a reform? Christ arose from the dead in His day, yet He told us a repeated Truth in Luke 16:31 that most do not even understand because they are more interested in teaching false doctrine. But Christ said that if one will not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."

Remember that a revival with a lot of excitement, feeling stirred up, emotion, noise, hollering & shouts, is not a reformation of tossing out all of satanic false doctrines!
Check out Isaiah 59:1-2.

---John

Let me know when you get all of the satanic false doctrines 1 Timothy 4:1 out of your church. 2 Corinthians 11:13 I will be excited, feel stirred up, emotional, loud, hollering with shouts Romans 14:7 knowing that you have removed the garbage from your fellow believers 3 John 1:4 so that you can worship Jesus Christ 1 Peter 1:8 without all of the added negative baggage!
Revelation 2:4

 

[Imagican]

And what John offered is truth. He did not say that excitement, hollering, etc.... will NOT follow a 'truthful' revival or reformation of the Church. What he stated was that this jubilance isn't necessarily a 'sign' of a 'true' revival. I'm sure that even in satanic worship there is a degree of a similar excitement that exists in the Christian churches. This doesn't make their excitement 'righteous'.

 

[Solo]

And what John offered is truth. He did not say that excitement, hollering, etc.... will NOT follow a 'truthful' revival or reformation of the Church. What he stated was that this jubilance isn't necessarily a 'sign' of a 'true' revival. I'm sure that even in satanic worship there is a degree of a similar excitement that exists in the Christian churches. This doesn't make their excitement 'righteous'.

My point is that the Church does not need to be reformed. The body of Christ is just exactly what it needs to be with the exception of needing to remove the false teachers, and false doctrines; and for the believers that need repentence to repent. Six of the Seven Churches in Revelation were exhorted in this manner, except for one. This is completely separate from the world and their goofy way of life.

 

[Soma-Sight]

My point is that the Church does not need to be reformed. The body of Christ is just exactly what it needs to be with the exception of needing to remove the false teachers, and false doctrines; and for the believers that need repentence to repent. Six of the Seven Churches in Revelation were exhorted in this manner, except for one. This is completely separate from the world and their goofy way of life.

Are you SURE of this Solo?

Next time the offering plate goes around for a new improved sound system in the Church remember this face........

THE NEW REFORMATION OF THE CHURCH WILL BE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT TRUE CHRISTIANS MUST SACRIFICE MATERIALLY FOR THE MEEK TO ADVANCE SPIRITUALLY IN HEAVEN.

 

[John the Baptist]

No, the church does not need a modern day reformation.

The church needs to return to its roots, and to follow the Word of God. Where each member is in line with the gospel of Jesus Christ, keep on going; where each member is not in line with the gospel of Jesus Christ, repent, and keep on going.

Could that be what the problem is Solo, that they don't know what the gospel is?

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John here: Here is one problem. A post says: 'No the church does not need a modern day reformation"
Perhaps the poster does not know what a 'reformation is???
For the post continues on with "The church needs to return to its roots, and to follow the Word of God."

The 'one' problem is, is that we are in agreement, yet we continue on in spiritual argumentation saying the same thing? Or is that not the definition of a biblical True reformation? --John

 

[Solo]

My point is that the Church does not need to be reformed. The body of Christ is just exactly what it needs to be with the exception of needing to remove the false teachers, and false doctrines; and for the believers that need repentence to repent. Six of the Seven Churches in Revelation were exhorted in this manner, except for one. This is completely separate from the world and their goofy way of life.

Are you SURE of this Solo?

Next time the offering plate goes around for a new improved sound system in the Church remember this face........

THE NEW REFORMATION OF THE CHURCH WILL BE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT TRUE CHRISTIANS MUST SACRIFICE MATERIALLY FOR THE MEEK TO ADVANCE SPIRITUALLY IN HEAVEN.

You obviously do not belong to a church that gives to those that are needy. Perhaps your church needs to return to its first love instead of reforming itself from what God originally intended the Church to be.

 

[Imagican]

And this is true. THE Church is no different now than at the time of the apostles. The sad part is that most of the churches have almost NO connection to THE Church whatsoever.

And you keep mentioning the seven Churches but have yet to mention the one that most resembles US. Guess which one that would be?

 

[Solo]

And this is true. THE Church is no different now than at the time of the apostles. The sad part is that most of the churches have almost NO connection to THE Church whatsoever.

And you keep mentioning the seven Churches but have yet to mention the one that most resembles US. Guess which one that would be?

Unfortunately we resemble all of them, but would rather resemble the Church of Philadephia. If you are a dispensationalist, the Church of Laodocia would be the one that you would say that the Church resembles today.

 

[Imagican]

I guess in your eyes I must be a dispensationalist. I do agree somewhat to this dispensationalism, but do not consider it to be 'doctrine' by any means.

So, with this in mind, what say you of this church of Laodocia? Is this what Christ wanted for us and what commendation has He offered for such?

 

[Solo]

I guess in your eyes I must be a dispensationalist. I do agree somewhat to this dispensationalism, but do not consider it to be 'doctrine' by any means.

So, with this in mind, what say you of this church of Laodocia? Is this what Christ wanted for us and what commendation has He offered for such?

The lampstand of the Church of Laodocia will be removed. In other words, this Church will not be a light of the world, and will continue to operate in a fleshly matter. Removing the candlestick is not an indication of loosing salvation that was paid for and sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, but this Church is not operating within the Spirit of God, but instead in the spirit of the fleshly desires of men.

BTW, it isn't a problem with me if you are a dispensationalist. I recognize that God deals with mankind in various ways throughout history, and that various dispensations exist. I just don't know that the seven Churches indicate seven dispensations of the Church, with the Laodocian Church being the last Church dispensation since I believe that all of the sin mentioned in all seven churches exists today.

 

[John the Baptist]

The last church, candlestick, or fold as in Virgin doctrines, is Laodicea. She is the last recorded seventh fold. No different than the repeated history of Virgin Israel of old.

But we see the seven disappear as did Israel of old also, & the number six replace her candlestick! Revelation 2:5, Revelation 3:16-17 She is 'Spewed out' LOST! & Revelation 3:9 gives the name of their 'new leader in both histories' desolation! (of Christ) Matthew 25 finds their door of salvation closed as a Virgin Fold!

See Matthew 23:38's DESOLATION. Her new master in both 'repeated' prophecies is satan! Check Hebrews 6:6.
Philadelphia is seen in Revelation 3:10 as being kept during the Mark of the Beast temptation time. & verse 11 tells us of Christ's coming! Philadelphia is the Remnant out of Revelation 12:17 in both histories. See Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15.

These two folds are to be the spectacle of the world, held up in world court for a witness of the Everlasting Gospel. See Matthew 10:23'S REPEAT. Then the 666 testing will find the few left with faithful final maturity.

All other professed Christians? They will either be found in Revelation 17:5 or in Obedience to Christ in Revelation 18:4. But these ones are neither Ex/Virgin/Laodicea or New/Virgin/Philadelphia.

All of these others, along with the world will have the final 666 test which will be the Godheads 7th. day Sabbath Commandment against man's sun worship thing. Which is about all that the Mother & Daughter that are the Abomination of the Earth agree on anyhow!

--John

 

[Solo]

The last church, candlestick, or fold as in Virgin doctrines, is Laodicea. She is the last recorded seventh fold. No different than the repeated history of Virgin Israel of old.

But we see the seven disappear as did Israel of old also, & the number six replace her candlestick! Revelation 2:5, Revelation 3:16-17 She is 'Spewed out' LOST! & Revelation 3:9 gives the name of their 'new leader in both histories' desolation! (of Christ) Matthew 25 finds their door of salvation closed as a Virgin Fold!

See Matthew 23:38's DESOLATION. Her new master in both 'repeated' prophecies is satan! Check Hebrews 6:6.
Philadelphia is seen in Revelation 3:10 as being kept during the Mark of the Beast temptation time. & verse 11 tells us of Christ's coming! Philadelphia is the Remnant out of Revelation 12:17 in both histories. See Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15.

These two folds are to be the spectacle of the world, held up in world court for a witness of the Everlasting Gospel. See Matthew 10:23'S REPEAT. Then the 666 testing will find the few left with faithful final maturity.

All other professed Christians? They will either be found in Revelation 17:5 or in Obedience to Christ in Revelation 18:4. But these ones are neither Ex/Virgin/Laodicea or New/Virgin/Philadelphia.

All of these others, along with the world will have the final 666 test which will be the Godheads 7th. day Sabbath Commandment against man's sun worship thing. Which is about all that the Mother & Daughter that are the Abomination of the Earth agree on anyhow!

--John

It is a shame that you are a seventh day worshipper instead of a Son worshipper.

Your interpretation of God's Word needs some assistence. Perhaps if you quit trying to align your beliefs with the false teachings of Ellen, you would be better off.

 

[John the Baptist]

And you told me that you were 'now' Born Again & that I would not like the old 'you', right???

Then your [post] says this..
It is a shame that you are a seventh day worshipper instead of a Son worshipper.

It seems to me that you are 'reading my motives' again!! What is next, another new Born Again warning in my e-mail box??? Or was that from a non/believer??? :roll:

Yet, it is Christ that said.. "IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS." Which you accuse me of worshiping His 7th day Sabbath, instead of Him!! Shame on you!! : You know what He said in His Word as seen in 1 John 2:4 even, huh? And you are just freshly Born Again?

Now: Reread your accurate heavenly record book recorded message to my Master, and tell Him that you haven't gone AWOL, again?? (note the question mark!) Or can you really read ones heart & motives? See Ecclesiastes 12:13-14. The Word says: The Whole Duty of Man, and you negate this also?? Wow!

And this E.G. White thing sure does sound like a post up from a Born Again one, huh? Whatever?
I had perceived that this new you should just be left alone by me, but who can tell, look at Saul who became a Paul??

---John

 

[Solo]

And you told me that you were 'now' Born Again & that I would not like the old 'you', right???

Then your [post] says this..
It is a shame that you are a seventh day worshipper instead of a Son worshipper.

It seems to me that you are 'reading my motives' again!! What is next, another new Born Again warning in my e-mail box??? Or was that from a non/believer??? :roll:

Yet, it is Christ that said.. "IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS." Which you accuse me of worshiping His 7th day Sabbath, instead of Him!! Shame on you!! : You know what He said in His Word as seen in 1 John 2:4 even, huh? And you are just freshly Born Again?

Now: Reread your accurate heavenly record book recorded message to my Master, and tell Him that you haven't gone AWOL, again?? (note the question mark!) Or can you really read ones heart & motives? See Ecclesiastes 12:13-14. The Word says: The Whole Duty of Man, and you negate this also?? Wow!

And this E.G. White thing sure does sound like a post up from a Born Again one, huh? Whatever?
I had perceived that this new you should just be left alone by me, but who can tell, look at Saul who became a Paul??

---John

If you are born again, worship the Son and not the seventh day. Keep all of the days holy and let Jesus Christ work in you while you rest from your fleshly works. Keep in mind that when you obey His commandments, you are keeping them through the Spirit and not through your flesh. If you continue to keep the commandments in the flesh, then you are fooling yourself.