Revelation 10

[for_his_glory]

In Matt 24, Jesus reveals a resurrection which took place some 2000 years ago.
Paul wrote of that same resurrection which took place some 2000 years ago.

YET TO COME is the transferring of the saved our our era to heaven.
During the reign of the Beast, we who remain faithful to Jesus (and show it by refusing to take the "mark" and by refusing to worship the Beast/image) will all be BEHEADED ....

As we are beheaded we will then convene with Jesus in heaven as per Revelation 15.

THEN regardless of other scripture mentions of God's wrath,
God's wrath falls a final time as per Revelation 16.

After convening with Jesus as per Rev 15, the saved will shortly later follow
Jesus back to this world and will reign WITH Christ as per Revelation 20:4.

btw: compared to what Jesus went through, beheading is a "walk in the park"

Only later time that might be construed as God's wrath falling
is at the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ as per Revelation 20:9.

Regardless of other scriptures??? So you do blow off other scriptures to prove your point?

The only ones who will be behead are those who are Christ own, but did not take heed of Christ warning to flee when they see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel in Daniel chapter 7. Matthew 24:15-18.

What you are speaking about that happened over 2000 years ago was that many, not all, were raised from the grave when the earth quaked and Jesus yielded up the Ghost. They were brought back to life and entered into the city, not heaven, so others would know Jesus as in "I am Lord" as only Jesus has power to raise anyone from the dead. This is what caused the centurion and many that were with him to believe this was the Son of God that hung on the cross.

Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. 54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

 

[dianegcook]

Actually Ezekiel was in the Spirit when God gave him the vision where he saw all these dry bones. The vision came to him after God told him to prophesy the restoration of Israel as she had become a dead nation. The prophecy was fulfilled in God making Davis King over Israel so the people would know "I am God".

This is the same prophecy fulfilled in Christ that a descendant of King David would become King of kings and Lord of lords to all the world "and ye shall know that I (Jesus) am Lord", Matthew 27:52,53. It's the same with all those graves opening that all would know Jesus as in I am Lord as only Jesus has power to raise anyone from the dead.

I see it as not being fulfilled yet.
Ezek.37:9
Speaks of the four winds again, meaning end time.
Ezek.37:16-28
The 2 sticks, referring to Judah and Emphraim
The 10 tribes, representing Emphraim,
Judah, (Jews) And I believe Benjamin , the other 2 tribes.

They are 2 Nations, kingdoms.
I don't believe the 2 sticks have join together yet.
In Ezek:37:24 It states that David, shall be king over them, one Shepherd, (referring to Christ)
Verse 25, David shall be their Prince for ever.. Christ...


My Tabernacle also shall be with them, sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for ever more.

 

[for_his_glory]

I see it as not being fulfilled yet.
Ezek.37:9
Speaks of the four winds again, meaning end time.
Ezek.37:16-28
The 2 sticks, referring to Judah and Emphraim
The 10 tribes, representing Emphraim,
Judah, (Jews) And I believe Benjamin , the other 2 tribes.

They are 2 Nations, kingdoms.
I don't believe the 2 sticks have join together yet.
In Ezek:37:24 It states that David, shall be king over them, one Shepherd, (referring to Christ)
Verse 25, David shall be their Prince for ever.. Christ...


My Tabernacle also shall be with them, sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for ever more.

I only meant that which was fulfilled in Jesus being His birth, death, and resurrection. Israel is still a mess as they are not all joined together yet.

 

[John Prewett]

Regardless of other scriptures??? So you do blow off other scriptures to prove your point?

I blow off your speculative absurd interpretations of out of context scripture.

The only ones who will be behead are those who are Christ own, but did not take heed of Christ warning to flee when they see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel in Daniel chapter 7. Matthew 24:15-18.

Above is prime example of your speculative interpretation of out of context scripture that is fit only to be blown off. The idea that when the Beast emerges the Christians of today should flee to mountains in the vicinity of Israel is ridiculous/absurd. Something Satan would like Christians to believe.

If you had any knowledgeable friends in this forum, they would encourage you to put aside the speculative interpretations of out of context scripture and instead heed the Revelation.
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[Corn Pop]

How does an angel have the authority to swear by God and tell God there will be no more delay?.

 

[for_his_glory]

The idea that when the Beast emerges the Christians of today should flee to mountains in the vicinity of Israel is ridiculous/absurd. Something Satan would like Christians to believe.

Scripture was written for every generation and every generation has to correlate what was written back then to their own era's. When Jesus said "Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains" the Israelites in Judaea (Jerusalem) would only know the surrounding mountains of Judaea.

When the beast out of the earth (son of perdition) takes his literal seat in Jerusalem his reign will be a global one, not a centrally located one that the Jews would know in their day if it happened back then. The point of what Jesus said was to flee when the abomination that Daniel spoke of stand in the holy place (Jerusalem) that when ever this happens do not partake in her abominations.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Jesus told us to flee and come out of her and if we do not heed His warning then we will be taken captive and beheaded for our witness and testifying of Christ if we do not denounce Him as our Lord and Savior.

 

[John Prewett]

.............When the beast out of the earth (son of perdition) takes his literal seat in Jerusalem his reign will be a global one, ...............

The supreme Beast who will rule the world for 42 months comes out of the sea.
The subordinate Beast comes out of the earth.

see Revelation 13.

 

[John Prewett]

for_his_glory says:
The only ones who will be behead are those who are Christ own, but did not take heed of Christ warning to flee when they see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel in Daniel chapter 7. Matthew 24:15-18.
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15 “So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Matt 24:15-18

To all (including many millions of Christians sprinkled out all over the world),

Jesus's directive of Matt 24 15-16 was addressed to Jews living some 2000 years ago (even more specifically to Jews in the vicinity of Jerusalem when the Roman army was coming in to destroy the Temple and conquer Israel/Jerusalem).
The Jews of that generation some 2000 years ago who heeded Jesus's warning thus escaped being killed or enslaved by the Romans.

The 'man of sin' who came some 2000 years ago NEVER RULED THE WORLD
the way the coming Beast will rule the world.

7 It was granted to him (the Beast from sea) to wage war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe and tongue and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, all whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb ........... Revelation 13:7-8

Christians will refuse to worship Beast/image, will refuse to take the "mark" and will be BEHEADED during the reign of the Beast. Jesus's saints will know that the moment the blade falls is the moment we will leave our bodies and enter into full unity with Jesus and each other. So Jesus's saints will NOT flee nor fight nor fear when the time of beheading comes.
Christians aspire to REIGN WITH CHRIST
and can see that we who will REIGN WITH CHRIST were beheaded.
Thus Christians will not try to evade being beheaded by the Beast minions.

Following is the real "blessed hope" of today's Christians:

"I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and the authority to judge was given to them.
And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness of Jesus and for the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Revelation 20:4

 

[John Prewett]

A great many "Christians" are expecting an event that happened nearly 2000 years ago and will not happen again.

Jesus is not going to repeat the "snatching away of the saved" like He did nearly 2000 years ago as Paul (& Jesus in Matt 24) predicted.

Only the Revelation reveals OUR end of era sequence of events.

While expecting an event that is not going to happen, most of the same "Christians"
seem oblivious to a wonderful work of Jesus that IS going to soon happen.
Soon to happen is the empowering of all who are "waiting on the Lord" as per Isaiah 40:31. Jesus's Church will form around these newly empowered servants of Jesus and will serve Jesus in power (same as the Acts Church did) during the reign of the Beast right through the day of beheading.

 

[for_his_glory]

A great many "Christians" are expecting an event that happened nearly 2000 years ago and will not happen again.

Jesus is not going to repeat the "snatching away of the saved" like He did nearly 2000 years ago as Paul (& Jesus in Matt 24) predicted.

Only the Revelation reveals OUR end of era sequence of events.

While expecting an event that is not going to happen, most of the same "Christians"
seem oblivious to a wonderful work of Jesus that IS going to soon happen.
Soon to happen is the empowering of all who are "waiting on the Lord" as per Isaiah 40:31. Jesus's Church will form around these newly empowered servants of Jesus and will serve Jesus in power (same as the Acts Church did) during the reign of the Beast right through the day of beheading.

First of all, Jesus never predicted anything as He knows the beginning and the end as He is "I am".

You said "Jesus is not going to repeat the "snatching away of the saved" like He did nearly 2000 years ago as Paul (& Jesus in Matt 24) predicted.
Only the Revelation reveals OUR end of era sequence of events."


Where in Matthew 27:50-53 does it say Jesus returned and "snatched away the saved?

Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

I read that Jesus gave up the ghost and an earthquake caused the graves to be opened and life was brought back to many, not all, and those who had risen from their graves went into the city, not heaven.

I already explained this in post #21.

Let me ask you a question. If Jesus has already snatched away the saved when He gave up the ghost while hanging on the cross, and they are in heaven, then who are these people that are still waiting on the Lord 2000 years later in the end of our era?

 

[John Prewett]

First of all, Jesus never predicted anything ..................

Matt 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13 are full of predictions Jesus made to His disciples.

 

[John Prewett]

Let me ask you a question.
If Jesus has already snatched away the saved .....
while hanging on the cross, ................

Most believers plainly see the following did not happen while Jesus was hanging on the cross.

"And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall
gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. "
Matt 24:31

 

[dianegcook]

Matt 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13 are full of predictions Jesus made to His disciples.

Yes,
Matt.24:3
Tell us, when shall these things be? And what shall be the sign of Thy Coming, and of the end of the world?

 

[for_his_glory]

Most believers plainly see the following did not happen while Jesus was hanging on the cross.

"And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall
gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. "
Matt 24:31

What snatching away are you speaking of?

You said: The Jews of that generation some 2000 years ago who heeded Jesus's warning thus escaped being killed or enslaved by the Romans.

Are you talking about the Roman siege of Jerusalem in 70AD? If you are, according to Josephus there were around a million died in Jerusalem, mainly as a result of the violence and famine.

During its long history, Jerusalem has been destroyed at least twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times with the last siege on Jerusalem in 70AD.

 

[for_his_glory]

Matt 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13 are full of predictions Jesus made to His disciples.

Yes, I agree, but things that the disciples would see in their lifetime and yet many things that will come after the sounding of the seventh angel as being those things John was told not to write down in the little book.

Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

Now jump down to vs.7

7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The mystery of God is that of revealing to all those who have taken the mark of the beast as who the beast out of the earth is in whom the beast out of the sea gave him his power as he deceived the nations with lying signs and wonders. The mystery is MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Rev 17. The earth bewails Babylon's destruction for the worldly pleasures they had with her. Rev 18.

It was never revealed why John was to seal up those things as God had His reason until the end of days as it would be revealed.

 

[John Prewett]

"Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall be forever with the Lord."
1 Thess 4:17
"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet, for the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Cor 15:51-51
"...they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."........
Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place"
Matt 24:30-34

The above happened nearly 2000 years ago .... and will NOT happen again.

Many millions of current nominal 'christians' have been deceived into thinking the above is going to happen.
We are in the Revelation era. Ignore the Revelation to your own destruction.

Are you ready for the Great Test the Revelation predicts ?

Now is the time to get ready.

What I call the GREAT FINAL TEST is when the Beast/image will be worshiped and the "mark of the Beast" given.

Lost will worship Beast/image and take "mark" .
Saved will NOT worship Beast/image and will NOT take "mark."
A simple straightforward GREAT FINAL TEST.
Culminating in the beheading of all the saved. Thus the saved "overcome the Beast."

Pass the Great Test and “reign with Christ” Rev 20:4
Fail the Great Test and get eternal torment. Rev 14:9-11

Revelation 13->forward reveals soul-saving blessing-conveying information
about our end of era scenario found nowhere else.

We don’t know the day and hour the Beast will publicly emerge.
But we can see that Satan’s Pope led Globalist cabal is working to create the NWO cashless One World Government that the Beast will rule for 3.5 years.

Jesus will see that ALL have opportunity to get prepared.
Jesus's servants will be used in this greatest of projects.

Naturally, Satan has been and will be doing all Satan can do to incline people to fail the GREAT TEST.

Many crave to believe they will be taken off the earth before the Great Test is given.
Thus the popularity of the “rapture next” false prophecy.

SLINGING SEEDS

www.mosquitonet.com

 

[for_his_glory]

"Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall be forever with the Lord."
1 Thess 4:17
"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet, for the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Cor 15:51-51
"...they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."........
Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place"
Matt 24:30-34

The above happened nearly 2000 years ago .... and will NOT happen again.

Many millions of current nominal 'christians' have been deceived into thinking the above is going to happen.
We are in the Revelation era. Ignore the Revelation to your own destruction.

Are you ready for the Great Test the Revelation predicts ?

Now is the time to get ready.

What I call the GREAT FINAL TEST is when the Beast/image will be worshiped and the "mark of the Beast" given.

Lost will worship Beast/image and take "mark" .
Saved will NOT worship Beast/image and will NOT take "mark."
A simple straightforward GREAT FINAL TEST.
Culminating in the beheading of all the saved. Thus the saved "overcome the Beast."

Pass the Great Test and “reign with Christ” Rev 20:4
Fail the Great Test and get eternal torment. Rev 14:9-11

Revelation 13->forward reveals soul-saving blessing-conveying information
about our end of era scenario found nowhere else.

We don’t know the day and hour the Beast will publicly emerge.
But we can see that Satan’s Pope led Globalist cabal is working to create the NWO cashless One World Government that the Beast will rule for 3.5 years.

Jesus will see that ALL have opportunity to get prepared.
Jesus's servants will be used in this greatest of projects.

Naturally, Satan has been and will be doing all Satan can do to incline people to fail the GREAT TEST.

Many crave to believe they will be taken off the earth before the Great Test is given.
Thus the popularity of the “rapture next” false prophecy.

SLINGING SEEDS

www.mosquitonet.com

Whether you realize it or not you are contradicting yourself.

First you say Jesus already returned 2000 years ago as you use 1 Thessalonians 1:14; 1 Corinthians 15:51 and Matthew 24:30-34 to prove this has already happened. Then you say we are in the Revelation era and we need to ignore the scriptures that speak about our own destruction.

Here is where you contradict yourself. When you say what you call the GREAT FINAL TEST being that of the beast and those taking its mark will be those who are lost. Then you say the saved will not take its mark culminating in the beheading of all the saved, thus the saved overcome the beast.

Here is you contradicting yourself. By all that you have said with only using pieces of scripture and telling us to ignore the other scriptures you have Christ returning twice to gather His own to Him. You are ignoring the full context of 1 Corinthians 15:51-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; John 3:13; 5:28, 29; 6:40 that say Christ only returns on the last day as the all who are alive at His coming that are His own will not prevent those who are a sleep in their graves that are His own.

In your last statement again you contradict yourself as you have Christians here on earth before the Great Test. So how do you account for them being here before the Great Test if it already happened 2000 years ago.

The only thing I do agree with is there is no pretrib rapture.

 

[John Prewett]

The end time of our era sequence of events is plain by combining:

Revelation 13:7 (Beast wages war on the saints) and
Revelation 15:2 (having overcome the Beast, the saints are safely in heaven and
Revelation 16:6 (blood of saints and prophets was poured out by minions of the Beast) and
Revelation 20:4 (having been beheaded, the saints (who followed Christ from heaven)
"reign with Christ")

 

[John Prewett]

Genesis 3:15
I will put enmity between you (Satan) and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he (Messiah) will bruise your head, and you (Satan) will bruise his heel.”

Thus God predicted Satan would IN A TEMPORAL WAY overcome Messiah Jesus
by having Him killed.
But Jesus would overcome Satan in the most profound eternal way
(in obedience to the will of God His Father,) going to the cross
and coming back from the dead with "all power in heaven and earth."

In like manner,
In a temporal way Satan overcomes the saints.
But in the most profound eternal way, the saints overcome Satan
by due to faith in Jesus allowing themselves to be beheaded by the minions of the Beast.

Rev 13:7 It was granted to him to wage war with the saints and to overcome them
Rev 15:2 " And I saw what looked like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast,
over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name, ..."

 

[for_his_glory]

The end time of our era sequence of events is plain by combining:

Revelation 13:7 (Beast wages war on the saints) and
Revelation 15:2 (having overcome the Beast, the saints are safely in heaven and
Revelation 16:6 (blood of saints and prophets was poured out by minions of the Beast) and
Revelation 20:4 (having been beheaded, the saints (who followed Christ from heaven)
"reign with Christ")

You can not just combine four verses to make your point as you need the full context of the whole from Genesis to Revelation to understand the visions given to John.

You can't even explain your contradiction saying these things happened 2000 years ago and then turn around and say it is yet future, so which is it as you can't have it both ways.