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I agree but it WAS his argument given as though it was valid. Atheists, btw, use that “argument from authority” fallacy too.
Yes, we agree. The surprising part to me is how little intellectual support there is for the late date and still they refuse to explore the evidence. I held that position too until I searched to see if these things be so.
Like I said maam, the opinions vary, no one knows, so the point is moot. We are still here however, and Jesus has not returned, so there is an error somewhere, correct?
I'll tell you as I've told others most of the scholars agree that the book of Revelation was written around 96CE. You don't want to agree with that, then so be it. You haven't proved to me that it was written around 70CE as others have said.
Well when I said that most of the scholars believe that the book of Revelation was written around 96CE I wasn't speaking of the Jews or scholars of Jesus day. I was speaking of those scholars after Jesus had long gone into heaven and these scholars did believe Jesus to be the Messiah.
Well, some know. The point is actually vital. How many believers simply hunkered down and awaited the “soon to be” second coming not understanding the scripture? Jesus is not coming any time soon.
The point is the same. The appeal to a “majority fallacy” is best demonstrated as false with a majority in history believing an untruth. Same as believing John wrote Revelation when it was known he couldn’t walk or speak as he was in his 90s.
If it didn’t matter, no one would have answered the statement.
Will not argue this with you. As an Administrator I have always bolded and made the color red for everyone's attention. No disrespect to anyone in here.
You don’t see that bolding and coloring is shouting, do you? An argument from how many agree with you is a known fallacy and not a disrespectful attack. You’ve never heard of the argument from authority fallacy, have you? Just a question. (D, you don’t agree with me which is why you don’t like my very valid point, right?) Just another question so it’s ok.
We believe he is maam, so time will reveal if either of us is correct.
That is so, sir, but foolish Christians have thought this for a century and were always wrong. A 100% wrong rate. I believe it will happen, make no mistake, but the time is not ripe.
That's not true just because Dorothy Mae says it's true. You certainly have the right to believe what you choose to believe. But I will continue to believe it was written in 96CE. If you choose to disagree that's your choice.
Actually it is true and the host of ancient writers agree with that position (they knew of no other at the time). You certainly have the right to believe whatever you want in defiance of what all but one of the ancient writers attest to. You can continue to believe it was written in 96AD (year of our Lord and not at all a common era) even though John could not walk or walk at that age and the Romans were not sending christians to exile. Facts do not have to have any bearing on your position and you would not be the first to believe something in spite of the evidence to the contrary. Just because you say it was written in 96AD does not make it true.