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Russia and Israel, now what?

Greetings in Christ JESUS, sister Dorothy

I consider very interesting the thoughts of yours concerning the time of the Gentiles being fulfilled, according Scriptures-Romans 11:25.
As you above said "Revelation and Matt 24(prophetic sermon) don’t mention it" , but I think we have interesting clues to decipher this enigma: 1 - Luke 21:24(prophetic sermon) combined with Revelation 11:2: -

Luke 21:24 says:
24 And they(the Jews) shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Revelation 11:v.2
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. (Well, these 42 months are exactly the FIRST period of the last week, week 70th Daniel 9:27. Thus, this future event concerning the holy city being trodden under the feet of Gentiles, in the first period of 42 months of the last week, this event implies that "the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled in the first period of the last week Daniel 9:27). It's that. NOTE: The main event of the 2nd period of the last week is the AoD- Daniel 12:11: - 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away(the sacrifice of our Lord JESUS Christ has already lasted 2000 years, and will last until the END of the FIRST half of the last week), and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

In my understanding, Scriptures explain Scriptures, and help to decipher its puzzles.

GOD blesses
Greetings OSEAS,

I have been mulling over my own question and verses 24 in Luke 21 adds to clarity but I think more so for those who see these events as past. The Jews in the 70AD +/- events fell by the sword and were led in to captivity and that was in such great numbers that bodies of water in Judea were filled with bodies. And Jerusalem was trodden down by the Gentiles and I think that was so under the authority of God until that time came to an end. It was the time when the city and nation of Israel was given to the Gentiles as punishment. The Romans entered the holy of holies. I would have to look up the timing details but the 3 1/2 years fits into that period as well as the Christians seeing this as the fulfillment of Matthew 24 and left Jerusalem avoiding that punishment.

Now I know that many see all of these events as future but when one looks at the world, it makes no sense at all. My original question in the OP was how do these see the current political changes as affecting what they believe regarding Russia or any other nation marching to Jerusalem. Why in the world would any nation want Jerusalem besides the muslims for religious reasons? What people value today is not there. They have no natural resources. They are not geographically interesting. Their enemies are Muslims and the muslims feel that their enemies are the Jews so it is mutual. I know one can simply believe the interpretation of those scriptures despite the geopolitical climate and many do. That is their right. But if they think about it, I wanted to know what those who do think about it think about the idea that Russia is going to march undetected all the way to Israel when they could event take Kiev from a less powerful nation.
 
You proclaimed that Zec 13:6 is an account of Him being asked about these wounds " 2022 years ago "
He visited them 2022 years ago. They saw the wounds in his hands. It’s recorded in the New Testament.
You never finished unpacking your claim ?
Please give your explanation as to why the Scribes & Pharisees in Jerusalem of " 2022 years ago" would be at a loss to understand why the Risen Jesus Christ whom they nailed to a cross has wounds ?

Zec 13:6
And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.



By the way the " wounds " He is being questioned about are not "Metaphor"
The wounds are quite real and will be present on Him forever .
 
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You proclaimed that Zec 13:6 is an account of Him being asked about these wounds " 2022 years ago "
The point is not that someone totally ignorant of Jesus asks about his boo-boos clearly seen because the answer does not literally match how they got there. He wasn’t in a dwelling.
You never finished unpacking your claim ?
Example?
Please give your explanation as to why the Scribes & Pharisees in Jerusalem of " 2022 years ago" would be at a loss to understand why the Risen Jesus Christ whom they nailed to a cross has wounds ?
First tell us why Jesus said he was visiting a friend at home when it happened. If you can understand that, you’ll understand the point.
Zec 13:6
And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
He wasn’t visiting friend at home when it transpired. Do you need a scripture for where he was?
By the way the " wounds " He is being questioned about are not "Metaphor"
The wounds are quite real and will be present on Him forever .
Which friend’s house was the location of the infliction?
 
i understand far more than you think.. there are those who think they are experts on end times. let them post
Jerry, you don’t even understand grade school English grammar which is a LOT easier than eschatology. We can usually figure out what you mean but you can’t impress us that you understand difficult topics when simple grammar escapes your understanding.
 
Consecrated Life, do you picture Jesus just showing up in Jerusalem and sone guys ask him about his scars on his hands and he answers that he was visiting a friend at home when it happened? Do you think that something significant will happen after that exchange? I mean the Christmas story is full of fulfilled scripture and the whole of the Israelies didn’t change. And those scriptures being fulfilled are much more impressive.
 
Jerry, you don’t even understand grade school English grammar which is a LOT easier than eschatology. We can usually figure out what you mean but you can’t impress us that you understand difficult topics when simple grammar escapes your understanding.
pssstt i dont need perfect grammar to understand . to understand you all i need is a sandbox degree i understand you perfectly you look at everything in a historical past . since you decided to make it personal . i will leave you with this none so blind as those who refuse to see ... your blind as a bat ........btw your on ignore dusting my sandals off at you moving on
 
You proclaimed that Zec 13:6 is an account of Him being asked about these wounds " 2022 years ago "

You never finished unpacking your claim ?
Please give your explanation as to why the Scribes & Pharisees in Jerusalem of " 2022 years ago" would be at a loss to understand why the Risen Jesus Christ whom they nailed to a cross has wounds ?

Zec 13:6
And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.



By the way the " wounds " He is being questioned about are not "Metaphor"
The wounds are quite real and will be present on Him forever .
Anyone with common sense understands " the House " being spoken of is the nation Israel :

Mat 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Your turn .
Now please give the basis in your proclamation for the scribes & pharisees in Jerusalem of " 2022 years ago" being at a loss for understanding why the Risen Jesus , whom they had just got done nailing to a cross by the way, has wounds? ?
He visited them 2022 years ago. They saw the wounds in his hands. It’s recorded in the New Testament.

Zec 13:6
And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
 
Anyone with common sense understands " the House " being spoken of is the nation Israel :
Ok, so that metaphor you got. Do you picture Jesus turning up in modern Israel and those guys asking him about his scars and the world is changed by his answer?
Mat 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
He was so sent. Those days are over.
Your turn .
Now please give the basis in your proclamation for the scribes & pharisees in Jerusalem of " 2022 years ago" being at a loss for understanding why the Risen Jesus , whom they had just got done nailing to a cross by the way, has wounds? ?
Where does the scripture say the scribes and pharisees asked his about his scars? He showed his disciples his wounds. What more do you want?
Zec 13:6
And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
So you think answering that questions is going to turn all of the Israel nation?? Why is this verse high you admit is metaphorical as those Jews who wounded were not friends let alone was he in a house., why is this so pivotal to you? Jesus healed the sick and that didn’t impress them. Why do you think saying Jews wounded him will do so?
 
Anyone with common sense understands " the House " being spoken of is the nation Israel :

Mat 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Your turn .
Now please give the basis in your proclamation for the scribes & pharisees in Jerusalem of " 2022 years ago" being at a loss for understanding why the Risen Jesus , whom they had just got done nailing to a cross by the way, has wounds? ?


Zec 13:6
And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

Looks like you win the internet today.

I knew that's what it was, but wanted to see who would get it first.

And I was too lazy to login.

It's like the equivalent to when Jesus said:

"Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.​

3624. oikos
Usage: (a) a house, the material building, (b) a household, family, lineage, nation.

He was in a house, with a family, His lineage, a nation where He should have felt safe from harm.

It looks like the thread deteriorated.

I was only practising logging in until December 22 to see if Michael was right about the timing of the Rapture.

Maybe we'll figure out who the real king of the north is, and if Euphrates time is getting near by then.
 
Where does the scripture say the scribes and pharisees asked his about his scars? He showed his disciples his wounds. What more do you want?
You honestly believe His disciples did not know what His wounds were from ?

Zec 13:6
And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.


You are kidding me again aren't you ?
 
What people value today is not there. They have no natural resources.
Diamonds , "Israel is one of the world's three major centers for polished diamonds, alongside Belgium and India."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel
Natural Gas , "Chevron provided details of a two-stage plan aimed at expanding production to about 1.6 billion cubic feet (BCF) of natural gas from the Tamar field to meet Israel’s energy needs and export gas to Egypt and neighboring countries." https://www.timesofisrael.com/chevron-partners-okay-expansion-of-gas-production-from-tamar-field/
Read in this link for more about the Israel economy , they seem to export a few things .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel

Why in the world would any nation want Jerusalem besides the muslims for religious reasons?
https://hilltoptlh.org/blog/2015/11/why-israel-is-important-to-every-person-on-earth/

The link below . Is it really "religious reasons" ?
If Jerusalem Weren’t Israeli, Would Muslims Want It?
 
Looks like you win the internet today.

I knew that's what it was, but wanted to see who would get it first.

And I was too lazy to login.

It's like the equivalent to when Jesus said:

"Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.​
Thank you Dave , your capacity to hold basic scriptural truth in it's appropriate divine light, eliminating any need to scramble for the tall grass of "metaphor" is refreshing
 
Diamonds , "Israel is one of the world's three major centers for polished diamonds, alongside Belgium and India."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel
Natural Gas , "Chevron provided details of a two-stage plan aimed at expanding production to about 1.6 billion cubic feet (BCF) of natural gas from the Tamar field to meet Israel’s energy needs and export gas to Egypt and neighboring countries." https://www.timesofisrael.com/chevron-partners-okay-expansion-of-gas-production-from-tamar-field/
Read in this link for more about the Israel economy , they seem to export a few things .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel


https://hilltoptlh.org/blog/2015/11/why-israel-is-important-to-every-person-on-earth/

The link below . Is it really "religious reasons" ?
If Jerusalem Weren’t Israeli, Would Muslims Want It?
Russia has more gas. Belgium is not nuclear, closer and defenseless. Israel is nuclear. You can say all
if these things but no nation has Israel in the cross-hairs for what they possess. They just don’t.
 
Greetings OSEAS,

I have been mulling over my own question and verses 24 in Luke 21 adds to clarity but I think more so for those who see these events as past. The Jews in the 70AD +/- events fell by the sword and were led in to captivity and that was in such great numbers that bodies of water in Judea were filled with bodies. And Jerusalem was trodden down by the Gentiles and I think that was so under the authority of God until that time came to an end. It was the time when the city and nation of Israel was given to the Gentiles as punishment. The Romans entered the holy of holies. I would have to look up the timing details but the 3 1/2 years fits into that period as well as the Christians seeing this as the fulfillment of Matthew 24 and left Jerusalem avoiding that punishment.
Greetings Dorothy,

Thankyou for your reply. In my view, it seems you did not observe the different times in which JESUS prophesied on the fullness of Gentiles. As you know, the Ministry of JESUS occurred between 29-32 or 30-33AD, so the prophetic message of JESUS in Luke 21:24 was announced within that period of time, right? But the period of 3 1/2 years -Revelation 11:v.2- was announced by JESUS around year 95AD; 65 years after His ascencion, confirming His prophecy of Luke 21:24.

If I understood you corretly, you think that the period of "the 3 1/2 years fits into the period of the 70AD +/- events, when Jews fell by the sword and were led in to captivity" . OK, in my view you are partially right, it because there are two differents prophecies in the verse and two different times in this prophetic message of our LORD in Luke 21:24.

1 - What you said is true, "The Jews in the 70AD +/- events fell by the sword and were led in to captivity". By the way, you know also that that event was/is the LITERAL fulfillment of the first part of the prophecy in Luke 21:6 and Matthew 24:1-2 . Actually, it only ended 1948.

2 - Concerning the 3 1/2 years as the mark of the fullness of Gentiles, the fulfillment of this specific period is written in Revelation 11:2, and it cannot fit with the event of 70AD because this detail of 3 1/2 years was announced by JESUS around year 95AD, 65 years after His ascension, and as He said is one of the things which must shortly come to pass(after year 95AD); and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John.

Revelation 11:v.2
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months-3 1/2 years . (Well, these 42 months-3 1/2 years- are exactly the FIRST period of the last week, week 70th Daniel 9:27.
Thus, this future event concerning FULLNESS OF GENTILES, and the holy city being trodden under the feet of Gentiles, AS JESUS PROPHESIED in Luke 21:24, are the FIRST period of 42 months of the last week, this event implies that "the times of the Gentiles WILL BE fulfilled in the FIRST period of the last week Daniel 9:27). It's that. NOTE: The main event of the 2nd period of the last week is the AoD- Daniel 12:11: - 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away(the sacrifice of our Lord JESUS Christ has already lasted 2000 years, and will last until the END of the FIRST half of the last week), and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. Daniel 12:12
 
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I don’t see how the daily sacrifice was taken away is lasting 2000 years. The whole sacrificial system is over. That covenant ended in 70 AD. It will never be restored as an acceptable sacrifice to God.
God will use the future Temple for His prophesized purpose of establishing the Throne of the Lord on Mount Zion to take charge of the earth:

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Psa 2:6-8
Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.



God has declared that at that future time the " Throne Of The Lord " will sit in Jerusalem, in place of the Ark Of The Covenant.
The Ark having been in the Temple , in the Holy of Holies .
This same place the Future site of the "Throne of the Lord " will sit & that all the nations of the world will be drawn to during this period.
God said it and He meant it.

Jer 3:16
And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.
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Jer 3:17
At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.
 
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