Russia and Israel, now what?

[Oseas]

So, it's just a possible scenario, but it may be that God has allowed or even instigated this conflict in Ukraine for the very purpose of providing Russia an impetus to begin to take its place in the final days.

Actually Russia started a futile War against Ukraine so that the Scriptures may be fulfilled in the sense of opening the doors for the arrival or manifestation of the false messiah in Jerusalem, the great city spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, whose ruthless messiah will make great signs of lie as is written in Revelation 13:11-14.. Get ready

According to the Scriptures, God called King Nebudchudnezzar to overtake Israel. It was His plan that Israel suffer for their disobedience and He used the nation and leadership of Babylon to accomplish that task. We also see that in some nations the hate for Israel is growing. That's likely to continue until we get to a tipping point that brings on the scenario laid out for us in the Scriptures.

Yes, "GOD called King Nebudchudnezzar to overtake Israel", but the worst will happen from now on-Matthew 24:15-36 combined with 2 Thessalonians 2:2 to 12 and Daniel 12:10-12. Check it.

Yeah, the worst will still come, and although the existence of several millions of Jewish, only and only 144K will be saved. It will be terrible, very terrible. Except these days to come should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The rebel Israel was banned from their land and was spread around the whole world from year 70 AD until 1948, but from now on...

The rebel Israel was banned from their land and was spread around the whole world from year 70 AD until 1.948, therefore, Israel as a whole suffered 1878 years of strong plagues and CURSES according Deuteronomy 28:v.15 to 68, 53 verses of severe CURSES, and severe punishments / chastisements...

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[miamited]

HI Oseas

Actually Russia started a futile War against Ukraine so that the Scriptures may be fulfilled in the sense of opening the doors for the arrival or manifestation of the false messiah in Jerusalem, the great city spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, whose ruthless messiah will make great signs of lie as is written in Revelation 13:11-14.. Get ready

That's exactly what I said, except that I allowed that Russia's starting the Ukraine battle was directed by God and not Russia. Much like Israel, all the nations of the world are subject to doing God's bidding when He calls.

Yes, "GOD called King Nebudchudnezzar to overtake Israel", but the worst will happen from now on-Matthew 24:15-36 combined with 2 Thessalonians 2:2 to 12 and Daniel 12:10-12. Check it.

That's right, Clarence! We are in agreement on this matter.

God bless,
Ted

 

[miamited]

Hi Oseas

The rebel Israel was banned from their land and was spread around the whole world from year 70 AD until 1948, but from now on...​

The rebel Israel was banned from their land and was spread around the whole world from year 70 AD until 1.948, therefore, Israel as a whole suffered 1878 years of strong plagues and CURSES according Deuteronomy 28:v.15 to 68, 53 verses of severe CURSES, and severe punishments / chastisements... forums.carm.org

One statement you may want to consider, that matters in this matter of Israel's punishment, and the duration thereof, is Ezekiel 4. Paying particular attention to vs. 1-6.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Oseas]

HI Oseas

That's exactly what I said, except that I allowed that Russia's starting the Ukraine battle was directed by God and not Russia. Much like Israel, all the nations of the world are subject to doing God's bidding when He calls.

That's right, Clarence! We are in agreement on this matter.

One statement you may want to consider, that matters in this matter of Israel's punishment, and the duration thereof, is Ezekiel 4. Paying particular attention to vs. 1-6.

Hi Ted
Greetings is Christ JESUS
Yes, perfect. GOD is in control of History, nothing random happens.

God bless

 

[Oseas]

New End Time Time line

That can be soul killing if you take that attitude into the tribualtion. I know many people who would take the Mark of the Beast because their leaders say they will be raptured first. The following is from Corrie Ten Boom in 1974. And I agree. God will do what He will... but I must prepare...

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[Dorothy Mae]

Actually Russia started a futile War against Ukraine so that the Scriptures may be fulfilled in the sense of opening the doors for the arrival or manifestation of the false messiah in Jerusalem, the great city spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, whose ruthless messiah will make great signs of lie as is written in Revelation 13:11-14.. Get ready

Where is there a connection between the two? How does Russia starting a war translate to
someone in Israel?

 

[miamited]

Hi Ted
Greetings is Christ JESUS
Yes, perfect. GOD is in control of History, nothing random happens.

God bless

Hi Oseas

I'm glad to see that we really do both agree that we both agree. I'm curious why you closed off your post to me with:

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It sounded like a slight, but I wanted to check first.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hi Ted
Greetings is Christ JESUS
Yes, perfect. GOD is in control of History, nothing random happens.

God bless

I was wondering, is God in control of what you say and do? If He isn’t (micro) managing your hands ns tongue, how is He (micro) managing to control the whole world? Just think about it.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

HI Oseas

That's exactly what I said, except that I allowed that Russia's starting the Ukraine battle was directed by God and not Russia. Much like Israel, all the nations of the world are subject to doing God's bidding when He calls.

That's right, Clarence! We are in agreement on this matter.

God bless,
Ted

Can you explain why and how Hitler was doing Gods bidding? What about Belshazzar? Did he do Gods bidding? How come God said he didn’t?

 

[miamited]

Hi Dorothy Mae

You really don't think that even in God's disciplining, He isn't in control of what happens to His people? There are several prophecies where God speaks of the discipline of Israel and He pretty much always says that He will cause or bring about some particular and specific discipline.

Just as God seems to have caused Quirinius to call for that census. These are the ways that God directs the acts of men to be His unwitting pawns as He works out His plans and purposes on the earth.

What about Belshazzar? Did he do Gods bidding? How come God said he didn’t?

Yes. In fact, God's word tells us:
“If you are not careful to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that you may fear this glorious and awesome name, the Lord your God, then the Lord will bring on you and your offspring extraordinary afflictions...
And as the Lord took delight in doing you good and multiplying you, so the Lord will take delight in bringing ruin upon you and destroying you. And you shall be plucked off the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
“All the officers of the priests and the people likewise were exceedingly unfaithful, following all the abominations of the nations. And they polluted the house of the Lord that He had made holy in Jerusalem. The Lord, the God of their fathers, sent persistently to them by His messengers, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place. But they kept mocking the messengers of God, despising His words and scoffing at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord rose against His people until there was no remedy. […]
There is even a prophecy written by Jeremiah, that came from God, as to how long the captivity would be.
Trust me or not, and there are other passages speaking of God's control over the captivity of Israel in Babylon, it was God's purpose that Israel be disciplined and it was by the hands of the Babylonians that God brought about their captivity. Just as God oversaw the condition of Pharoah's heart when the Israelites were trying to leave Egypt.

How come God said he didn’t?

Well, before I can answer that, you're going to have to give me your reference. Thanks.

God bless,
Ted

 

[miamited]

Hi all,

Considering Dorothy Mae 's response, I'm curious. Is it the general consensus among those participating here that God was not working out His discipline through the Babylonian people and it was not all about God's purpose that King Nebudhudnezzar came against Israel?

God bless,
Ted

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hi Dorothy Mae

You really don't think that even in God's disciplining, He isn't in control of what happens to His people? There are several prophecies where God speaks of the discipline of Israel and He pretty much always says that He will cause or bring about some particular and specific discipline.

Just as God seems to have caused Quirinius to call for that census. These are the ways that God directs the acts of men to be His unwitting pawns as He works out His plans and purposes on the earth.


Yes. In fact, God's word tells us:
“If you are not careful to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that you may fear this glorious and awesome name, the Lord your God, then the Lord will bring on you and your offspring extraordinary afflictions...
And as the Lord took delight in doing you good and multiplying you, so the Lord will take delight in bringing ruin upon you and destroying you. And you shall be plucked off the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
“All the officers of the priests and the people likewise were exceedingly unfaithful, following all the abominations of the nations. And they polluted the house of the Lord that He had made holy in Jerusalem. The Lord, the God of their fathers, sent persistently to them by His messengers, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place. But they kept mocking the messengers of God, despising His words and scoffing at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord rose against His people until there was no remedy. […]
There is even a prophecy written by Jeremiah, that came from God, as to how long the captivity would be.
Trust me or not, and there are other passages speaking of God's control over the captivity of Israel in Babylon, it was God's purpose that Israel be disciplined and it was by the hands of the Babylonians that God brought about their captivity. Just as God oversaw the condition of Pharoah's heart when the Israelites were trying to leave Egypt.

Well, before I can answer that, you're going to have to give me your reference. Thanks.

God bless,
Ted

Logically speaking as well as according to scripture, God causing SOME events doesn’t mean He causes all. He doesn’t cause people to make decisions He later punished them for and scripture says clearly he punished nations because of their choices.

Do you know the scripture where there was handwriting on the wall? It said they were evaluated by God and founding wanting. Makes no sense if all their actions were in obedience to His will.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hi all,

Considering Dorothy Mae 's response, I'm curious. Is it the general consensus among those participating here that God was not working out His discipline through the Babylonian people and it was not all about God's purpose that King Nebudhudnezzar came against Israel?

God bless,
Ted

Again, you can point to ISOLATED cases where God moved nations but you won’t be able to pin what the communists did to Russians on God. You won’t be able to pin the genocide in Cambodia on God. The list is long.

 

[miamited]

Again, you can point to ISOLATED cases where God moved nations but you won’t be able to pin what the communists did to Russians on God. You won’t be able to pin the genocide in Cambodia on God. The list is long.

Hi Dorothy Mae

That's right. God hasn't moved every nation on the earth. Just the ones through which He works. Is that really the gist of your argument? That if God didn't do to every nation, than these rare and random occasions that He did...don't count. Naaaah!!

I wouldn't even try to pin the genocide in Cambodia on God because God didn't write a book about the Cambodians and how He worked in and through them to bring salvation to all mankind. Yes, I'm sure the list of warring nations on the earth is long, but all I'm speaking of are the conflicts with God's people and 'who' was working in that arena of their lives.

No one can either confirm or deny, with any provable assurance, that God did or didn't raise up Adoph Hitler for the work he did in murdering God's people. But God's word, if we read the warnings He gave them for their disobedience, does paint a pretty clear picture that the Jews would be scattered all over the face of the earth and that they would be a stench unto all those nations that they went to. God's word does say that!

God bless,
Ted

 

[miamited]

Hi again Dorothy Mae

Logically speaking as well as according to scripture, God causing SOME events doesn’t mean He causes all.

Right. Honestly I don't see what that has to do with the subject at hand. I'll have to go back and read my posts, but I'm pretty sure that I've never inferred or said that God causes all events on the earth. I'm speaking specifically and only, in this instance, of the pogrom against the Jews in Germany.

God bless
Ted

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hi Dorothy Mae

That's right. God hasn't moved every nation on the earth. Just the ones through which He works. Is that really the gist of your argument? That if God didn't do to every nation, than these rare and random occasions that He did...don't count. Naaaah!!

I’m saying God is not micromanaging the decisions of men including national ones. Since we don’t know all He is doing in national affairs, it’s a mistake to assume we do.

I wouldn't even try to pin the genocide in Cambodia on God because God didn't write a book about the Cambodians and how He worked in and through them to bring salvation to all mankind.

That’s besides the point. But if you want to stick to the very rare occasions in the Bible where He did move nations, that’s fine. That book is now finished.

Yes, I'm sure the list of warring nations on the earth is long, but all I'm speaking of are the conflicts with God's people and 'who' was working in that arena of their lives.

You mean the Bible, right?

No one can either confirm or deny, with any provable assurance, that God did or didn't raise up Adoph Hitler for the work he did in murdering God's people.

Sure we can. For one, the Jews aren’t God’s people but killing millions of innocent humans is not God’s plan. You see, The evidence is he was demonic inspired, not God led.

But God's word, if we read the warnings He gave them for their disobedience, does paint a pretty clear picture that the Jews would be scattered all over the face of the earth and that they would be a stench unto all those nations that they went to. God's word does say that!

Well more non-Jews then Jews died and that was sone in 70 AD.

God bless,
Ted

You too!

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hi again Dorothy Mae

Right. Honestly I don't see what that has to do with the subject at hand. I'll have to go back and read my posts, but I'm pretty sure that I've never inferred or said that God causes all events on the earth. I'm speaking specifically and only, in this instance, of the pogrom against the Jews in Germany.

God bless
Ted

Ah, ok although I think we can agree regarding the events attributed to Him in the Bible. “If anyone rises up against you it will not be from me.” more or less, not direct quote.. In the Bible we know when nations were stirred up against another by God.

 

[miamited]

HI Dorothy Mae

I’m saying God is not micromanaging the decisions of men including national ones. Since we don’t know all He is doing in national affairs, it’s a mistake to assume we do.

Sure. I've never advocated that God micromanages the affairs of the whole world. But God warned Israel. that He would bring about the consequences of their disobedience and rebellion. So, when it comes to the matters for which God has already told us that He is doing, that He is in 'micromanage' mode, regarding those events. Just as Jesus being born in Bethlehem...God controlled the activities and events that led to that particular piece of prophecy being fulfilled as it was.

Just as God worked with Pharoah's heart in Egypt, I'm confident that it was Him who caused Quirinius to call for that census 'when' he did.

That’s besides the point. s

Well, come on. You're the one that brought up Cambodia...not me! If it's besides the point; why did you bring it into the discussion?

You mean the Bible, right?

No, I am speaking of God and His intent and purposes upon the earth. I've read the Scriptures through a number of times and if you stand back from and consider the entire work from beginning to end, well, I think you'll find that the Scriptures give us an insight into all of world events and history, as it applies to God working in the lives and futures of mankind.

Sure we can. For one, the Jews aren’t God’s people but killing millions of innocent humans is not God’s plan. You see, The evidence is he was demonic inspired, not God led.

Well, I'm sorry, but you and I have a far different understanding of 'how' God is still working through the Jewish nation. In fact, their revival as a nation in 1948 is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy. So God is still working with His people even in our day.

Well more non-Jews then Jews died and that was sone in 70 AD.

I assume you're referring to the deaths in all of the battles of war, but 6 million peaceable men women and children were murdered outside of the wages of war.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Oseas]

Where is there a connection between the two? How does Russia starting a war translate to
someone in Israel?

The key to the interpretation of what GOD is already doing among the nations all over the world, in fulfillment of the prophecies, of course, it is in the WORD - " be DISSOLVED" - something similar to the fall of the World Trade Center.

Then the CHAOS of the whole world will force the MANIFESTATION of a false messiah in LITERAL fulfillment of John 5:43-47, and Revelation 13:11, and 2 Thessalonians 2:3 to 12, and Ezekiel 21:25, and Daniel 9:26, among other biblical references. But Satan, the son of perdition as God, will TRY to save his satanic world establishing his fifth devilish Empire, the Antichrist Empire, in partnership with the Beast of sea, the current Gentile Beast.

On the other hand, while the Devil's world is dissolved and destroyed, the KINGDOM of GOD will be/is established in fulfillment of Revelation 11:15-18:
15 - The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the Kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
...

1 Corinthians 15:24-27
24 The END cometh, when He shall have delivered up the Kingdom to GOD, even the Father; when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Get ready

 

[Oseas]

I'm glad to see that we really do both agree that we both agree. I'm curious why you closed off your post to me with: Get ready
It sounded like a slight, but I wanted to check first.

The people of GOD as a whole MUST be prepared much more from now on, because day by day will happen
imaginable things in the world of Devil, there will be strong chastisements, it will be terrible, very terrible. Except these days to come should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake the days shall be shortened.

For now, we have just entered the beginning of suffering period, in the beginning of sorrows.

So we must get ready to face the worst.