Salvation by faith alone/only?

[francisdesales]

Hebrews 9:22---"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

According to the Law...

God is not bound by that.

 

[childeye]

According to the Law...

God is not bound by that.

Wow Joe, I've been reading the last four pages of this thread and I don't think anybody got what you said or at least what you meant.

Would it be safe to say the blood of Jesus requires us to show mercy, not God?
This brings up the question of who got the payment of the blood? I would say the accuser in all of us and in heaven. What's your view?

 

[jasoncran]

how did the ninevehnites repent and how did god remove their sins? job offered sacrifices but not so with the men jonah preached too.

 

[Grubal Muruch]

Re: The just shall live by faith...

At times people only see us, that's for darn sure. lol

I guess that's why I put quotation marks around "better". We are better because people see Christ in us, and we are "being transformed" and "being made holy" by the renewing of our mind. I certainly won't disagree with anything you've written above. When we're IN Christ we are hid from men, and they see Christ in us. At least that's my understanding. What people, hopefully, see is Christ being worked out in us as our mind is transformed into His image. It's a complicated business...especially to try and explain, anyway. ;)

AMEN!!!

 

[Grubal Muruch]

Re: The just shall live by faith...

I don't think so glory.. we're to PUT OFF our old man who is corrupt according to deceitful lusts, and put on the Lord Jesus Christ..

I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet NOT I, but Christ liveth in me..

Set your affections on things above, and not on the things on earth, for ye are DEAD and your life is hid in Christ with God.

etc etc etc..

There is the FLESH and the SPIRIT..



Flesh is condemned and the SPIRIT of Christ in us is justified.

Can a man serve TWO masters... if God is making us better, and Christ is IN US.. then who is in charge..? Who sits on the throne of our life.. me and Christ or is it Christ in me.. ?

Amen!!!

 

[Eventide]

Re: The just shall live by faith...

At times people only see us, that's for darn sure. lol

I guess that's why I put quotation marks around "better". We are better because people see Christ in us, and we are "being transformed" and "being made holy" by the renewing of our mind. I certainly won't disagree with anything you've written above. When we're IN Christ we are hid from men, and they see Christ in us. At least that's my understanding. What people, hopefully, see is Christ being worked out in us as our mind is transformed into His image. It's a complicated business...especially to try and explain, anyway. ;)

Yes, I do think it's hard to understand.. It's interesting to think of the dual nature of the Christian.. Two men existing within the same lump.

 

[Grubal Muruch]

No doubt God is long-suffering. We need only look at Israel to see that.
You can almost hear it here as God speaks.


Long-suffering is only one of God's attributes, though. I think it fits best under grace -unmerited favor.

While they are in the "ye would not" stage, though, God would not extend mercy. His mercy is conditional on repentance else His righteous requirements for Justice would not be met.

"How often would I have gathered", shows how God is willing to extend mercy, but won't until they repent.

Since mercy is withheld punishment...the Jews will have to continue in bondage (just as when we're in bondage to sin) until they repent. At which time, God extends mercy.

AMEN!!!

 

[Grubal Muruch]

According to the Law...

God is not bound by that.

Was not the blood of Christ shed for our sins?? The shedding of animals blood in the Old Testament, is it not a "foreshadowing" of the eventual shedding of the "lamb of God" namely, Jesus His Son??

 

[savedbygrace57]

gm

With all due respect you "have not given a personal testimony

This thread is not about people giving personal testimonies, its about salvation ! Did I ask you for your personal testimony ? I don't care what it is, in fact, your posts reveal much to me of what you personally believe without me asking any way. I know you believe in Salvation by works, by what a man does, and you reject that Christ death alone, without man doing anything saves whom He died for.

 

[francisdesales]

Was not the blood of Christ shed for our sins??

Yes. Out of Love, not out of requirement or demands upon God placed by a "law".

The shedding of animals blood in the Old Testament, is it not a "foreshadowing" of the eventual shedding of the "lamb of God" namely, Jesus His Son??

It ends up being so, yes. At the time, the blood was considered the life of the animal, and that animal represented the sacrifice of man, the offering of life to God. Naturally, the Son of God, as Jesus, would do the same, the ultimate sacrifece. There is no "requirement", though, as if that God was a blood thristy God Who demands blood before He is satisfied. God Himself stated that He doesn't NEED these animals and that they are all His to begin with. (the Psalm escapes me, sorry). God desires a pure heart.

Sacrifices, He doesn't need. They are for our sake. Humans need to offer sacrifices to God.

Regards

 

[francisdesales]

Wow Joe, I've been reading the last four pages of this thread and I don't think anybody got what you said or at least what you meant.

Would it be safe to say the blood of Jesus requires us to show mercy, not God?
This brings up the question of who got the payment of the blood? I would say the accuser in all of us and in heaven. What's your view?

I think I am expressing something totally beyond comprehension for some people here, so they are ignoring it, feeling safer in what they have been taught, even if there is NO Scriptural backing for it...

As to your question, no one "gets the payment", Larry.

As I said before to Glorydaz, when Paul speaks of being "bought at a price", it means that Love is costly. It is expensive. There is a "price" to pay. But it is not something we "pay" to another. It is the cost of dying to self...

The cost of expressing our love for another is expensive, we know this in our own relationships with other people. But we are not "paying" anyone", per sec.

In the case of blood, it represents the most extreme case of expressing one's love, for there is no greater love than to die for one's friend (as Jesus stated).

Regards

 

[francisdesales]

And He did destroy them, too, didn't He? Except for Noah etal, of course. It's interesting reading through the Word and seeing how many times God repented. He actually changes His mind...especially with Israel, where we see Him calling down judgment and then changing His mind. Often it was when righteous men called on Him to show mercy and the people of Israel repented.

Indeed. Not a single one being perfect - and God granted mercy. And the Jews knew this through their experience of God...

 

[glorydaz]

I think I am expressing something totally beyond comprehension for some people here, so they are ignoring it, feeling safer in what they have been taught, even if there is NO Scriptural backing for it...

As to your question, no one "gets the payment", Larry.

As I said before to Glorydaz, when Paul speaks of being "bought at a price", it means that Love is costly. It is expensive. There is a "price" to pay. But it is not something we "pay" to another. It is the cost of dying to self...

The cost of expressing our love for another is expensive, we know this in our own relationships with other people. But we are not "paying" anyone", per sec.

In the case of blood, it represents the most extreme case of expressing one's love, for there is no greater love than to die for one's friend (as Jesus stated).



Regards

Bought with a price means Jesus laid down His life for us....redeemed by his blood.

Redeemed means bought back. We're redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. Purchased.

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

And my favorite...bought with a price...redeemed by the precious blood of Christ (a lamb without blemish and without spot),

And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

 

[Grubal Muruch]

Bought with a price means Jesus laid down His life for us....redeemed by his blood.

Redeemed means bought back. We're redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. Purchased.




And my favorite...bought with a price...redeemed by the precious blood of Christ (a lamb without blemish and without spot),

Fran----I think I am expressing something totally beyond comprehension for some people here, so they are ignoring it, feeling safer in what they have been taught, even if there is NO Scriptural backing for it...

You never cease to amaze, you think that anything you express is, beyond the mental capability's of some...Are you not, "thinking of yourself more highly than you ought??"

 

[glorydaz]

either way isnt that what jesus does. you deny the idea of arniminists position on salvation can be lost. so then you and those like you must do head gymanastics on those verses where salavation is stated that one can loose it.

or do what pastor rogers says.

if one doesnt repent while saved God will eventually kill you and used moses and annias and saphira to make his point. so God let sin in? i have heard others say a similiar things here and elsewhere." you will make to heaven but get no reward or the famous well you didnt really repent thing"

Just what do you mean by, "you and those like you?"

Aren't you supposed to be a moderator or something?
You certainly seem to be a good finger-pointer without anything to back it up.
Either make yourself clear or simply refrain from commenting on what you "think" I believe.

No, I don't have to do any kind of gymnastics on any verses, for they are quite clear...and supported by the whole Word of God. I just don't believe in picking out one verse from here and there and claiming it's proof that man can lose his salvation.

 

[childeye]

I think I am expressing something totally beyond comprehension for some people here, so they are ignoring it, feeling safer in what they have been taught, even if there is NO Scriptural backing for it...

As to your question, no one "gets the payment", Larry.

As I said before to Glorydaz, when Paul speaks of being "bought at a price", it means that Love is costly. It is expensive. There is a "price" to pay. But it is not something we "pay" to another. It is the cost of dying to self...

The cost of expressing our love for another is expensive, we know this in our own relationships with other people. But we are not "paying" anyone", per sec.

In the case of blood, it represents the most extreme case of expressing one's love, for there is no greater love than to die for one's friend (as Jesus stated).

Regards

I would agree with your basic assessment although I could take it much deeper. I won't do that for now. I would however point out what I said earlier that the blood requires us all to forgive if we are to be like Christ, since we have been shown the depth of Christ's undying Love. So also should we turn the other cheek, pray for those who despise us, and return good for evil even as he did, lest we lose faith and our love grow cold.

 

[Grubal Muruch]

Jasoncran---Here's a verse for you, 1 John 5:13---"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; (that ye may know that ye have eternal life,) and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. Know there's a promise!!!

 

[glorydaz]

Fran----I think I am expressing something totally beyond comprehension for some people here, so they are ignoring it, feeling safer in what they have been taught, even if there is NO Scriptural backing for it...

You never cease to amaze, you think that anything you express is, beyond the mental capability's of some...Are you not, "thinking of yourself more highly than you ought??"

Especially when he doesn't even know what "bought with a price" means during a "lesson" to a fellow poster (the blind leading the blind.) And what's this denial of the blood and a perfect Redeemer? I don't remember that being part of the Catholic Church back when I was there.

Now watch, I'll be the one who gets in trouble for this one little sentence and anything goes for some certain others. Of course, I'm one of those "you and those like you" people.

Good night, brother...I'm about done. It's been a long day.

 

[Grubal Muruch]

Anyone who believes they can "lose" their Salvation once they've been sealed by the Holy Spirit is either "ignorant" of where they stand before God or were never saved to begin with...Again---These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

 

[glorydaz]

Anyone who believes they can "lose" their Salvation once they've been sealed by the Holy Spirit is either "ignorant" of where they stand before God or were never saved to begin with...Again---These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

"That we may know"....the blessed assurance that believers have.

Hope someone actually reads that, brother.