Please present the post number where I said there is sin in God?
If you can’t then you continue to be a liar and a deceiver.
JLB
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Salvation by grace through faith; not through works / law-keeping.
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Please present the post number where I said there is sin in God?
If you can’t then you continue to be a liar and a deceiver.
JLB
Jethro Bodine
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I don't think anyone is arguing against James's faith alone argument. Protestants believe that the person who says they have faith but has no works is showing they don't really have faith. And so we understand and agree with James's faith alone argument.
What we are resisting is the Catholic church's contention that the faithful works, that James says show you have faith, are what make you righteous. That is nothing more than the works justification gospel condemned in scripture.
See, you believe God gives you the grace for you to produce the righteousness that will rescue you from the lake of fire when Jesus returns. That is the works justification gospel - the false gospel of the righteousness of law keeping. And that is what you are trusting and hoping in.
Meanwhile, we Protestants believe that God graciously credits us the righteousness by which we will pass safely through the coming judgment, apart from the merit of our works. A righteousness credited through the hearing of faith, not developed through the performance of faithful works and rituals. That is the righteousness we trust and hope in. That gospel is unreasonable and illogical to the carnal mind. It is a stumbling block to them, and so they do not believe the gospel of becoming righteous by the hearing of faith apart from works and so they will be condemned when Jesus returns. They literally do not believe the gospel of how the perfect righteousness necessary to not be condemned at the resurrection is given to a person as a free gift through faith in the forgiveness of sin. They believe that salvation is a reward for faithfully producing (through deeds and rituals) the righteousness required to be saved from the fire at the resurrection.
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THAT is foolishness.
Sin indicates a walk in the darkness. (Pro 4:19)
They have no fellowship with God or forgiveness.
God heareth not sinners. (John 9:31)
Sinning shows you are not "with God". (1 John 1:6)
I believe God's word in 1 Cor 10:13..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."
If I don't look for the escapes, I have turned my back on God.
You believe sin doesn't matter.
I hope never to hear the words the sinners will hear on the last day..."And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matt 7:23)
Did you get that ?
The workers of iniquity, sinners, were not even know by the Lord Jesus Christ.
You keep making up lies abiut what I said, while I post scripture.
You keep rearranging the words of actual scripture to suit your man made doctrine, while I just keep posting scripture.
But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 1 John 1:7
Those who walk in the light, have their sins cleansed.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8
Verse 8 speaks for itself, and pertains to you and those who promote your false doxtrine.
JLB
Jethro Bodine
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As I and others have shown you, you are guilty of not rightly dividing the word of God and are purposely ignoring the whole context of scripture. We've made the plain words of scripture known to you but you reject them.
You serve a gospel of works righteousness where you think the righteousness of your behavior is made perfect and is the righteousness by which you will enter into the kingdom of God at the end of the age. You will be sorely disappointed when you find out that you were relying on an inadequate righteousness that is not good enough to enter the kingdom by. You are deceiving yourself.
We, on the otherhand, are relyng on a righteousness that is received by having the guilt of our unrighteousness removed through the forgiveness of God received by faith. A continual forgiveness and wiping away of the guilt of unrighteousness that continually keeps us righteous and qualified to enter the kingdom of God at the end of the age. At which time we will receive the fullness of the righteousness that is presently credited to us in this life through faith, the guarantee of that hope to come being the down payment of the Holy Spirit we have received. Galatians 5:5
The initiation into the new covenant
Faith and baptism
Effects of faith & baptism!
Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Matt 28:19 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 eph 2:1 and 5 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 eph 4:30 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 4:5 one faith, one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!
Faith and baptism are required Mk 16:16 eph 4:5
Faith alone even all faith avails NOTHING! 1 cor 13:2
Faith and baptism
Effects of faith & baptism!
Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Matt 28:19 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 eph 2:1 and 5 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 eph 4:30 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 4:5 one faith, one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!
Faith and baptism are required Mk 16:16 eph 4:5
Faith alone even all faith avails NOTHING! 1 cor 13:2
Jethro Bodine
Member
Obeying the command to be baptized is not how you are justified. Believing in the promise does that all by itself: That's what "righteousness apart from works" means.
For with your heart you believe and are justified... Romans 10:10
You do not do something to be reckoned the righteousness of God. You believe something and are reckoned the righteousness of God.
That's how Abraham, our example, was reckoned righteousness, and that is how we also are reckoned righteousness.
Jethro Bodine
Member
Your Catholic teaching has failed to teach you the difference between justification and salvation.
Jethro Bodine
Member
What Catholics are just starting out in and attempting to complete by deeds and rituals was already completed for us Protestants by Jesus when we first believed and does not have to be repeated - Hebrews 10:14. We are at rest in Jesus. You are not.
Catholics rely on the righteousness of their deeds and rituals done in faith to be reckoned righteous. That is literally the works justification gospel condemned in scripture.
Meanwhile we Protestants rely on the righteousness of God given to us as a gift through faith in the promise, apart from our works, to be reckoned righteous.
Jethro Bodine
Member
So you finally admit that you justify yourself by believing?
Matthew 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
What words?
Jethro Bodine
Member
What does it matter?
It doesn't change the fact that a person is justified by believing with the heart, not by performing rituals and deeds.
gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
No Protestant word here?
Acts 15 is an apostolic council, a meeting of catholic bishops
And vs Peter stood up! Case closed
No Protestant in scripture
Jethro Bodine
Member
God credits righteousness as a gift to the person who believes, not to the person who faithfully works for it.
Catholics are busy developing within themselves the righteousness required to enter the kingdom of God.
Protestants are credited as a free gift the righteousness required to enter the kingdom of God the moment they believe. They're not working for it. They already have it.
Justified has two meanings in scripture. You don't become righteous by your words, you show yourself to be righteous (or not righteous) by your words.
Faith makes you righteous. What you do shows you to be righteous. And so a man is justified by, both, faith and works (James 2:24). His faith makes him righteous (Philippians 3:9). His works show him to have faith (James 2:18).
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