Salvation through baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.

[justbyfaith]

Abraham's faith was accounted to him as righteousness at the juncture of Genesis 15:6; many years before he offered Isaac on the altar.

For all of those years, what work of Abraham justified him before God?

I will answer you with this.

Jhn 6:28, Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jhn 6:29, Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes, the name of Jesus does seem to confer the Holy Spirit...

John baptized for the forgiveness of sins.
He said someone greater then him would come and baptize in power and spirit.
The baptism of Jesus is also for the forgiveness of sins (all prior sins)
for the acceptance into the Christian Community - because Jesus had been rejected by most as the Messiah and by the end of His ministry He knew that a new church/faith would have to be developed.
And it was for power and strength in fighting the unseen powers.
This is, after all, what the New Covenant is all about.
The Holy Spirit existed even in the OT of course,,,
but He did not DWELL in believers - but was only an outside force.

I'm afraid that I don't know the answer to your question.

Above.

I do know that scripture teaches that there is one baptism (Ephesians 4:5).

Right.
There is only one baptism that all Christians believe.
Even Catholics believe that we receive the Holy Spirit in baptism, even as infants...
but that the Holy Spirit must be empowered at some point in the person's life in order for Him to work His work.

This is why it's wrong for any denomination to require a second baptism in order to join that congregation.
Either baptism is REAL, or it is not.

As to why they had to be baptized again in the name of Jesus, I don't know.

Maybe John's baptism was according to Matthew 28:19; even according to titles.

Again, above.

And salvation comes only through a Name (Acts 4:10-12).

Salvation comes only through the name or person/nature of Jesus.
1 John 2:2
Jesus died for everyone. It's through Him that we are saved...whether we even know Him or not.
All salvation is through the sacrifice of Jesus....His sacrifice was sufficient to save everyone in the world that wants to be saved.

 

[GodsGrace]

Works don't save (Ephesians 2:8-9); that is the bottom line.

A living faith will produce works; and a dead faith will not save.

But it is not the works that are produced by a living faith, that save. It is the faith itself.

Also, I would suggest that you memorize the following verses.

Rom 4:5, But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6, Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

How about this:
Faith without works is dead.
Works without faith are dead.

You need both, not one or the other.
If a person has no faith in God but does works, he will not be with God because He does not believe in Him.
If a person has a lot of faith in God but acts as if God doesn't exist, how is his faith of any value to the Kingdom of God?

Jesus spoke a lot about being part of the Kingdom of God here on earth.

 

[GodsGrace]

Abraham's faith was accounted to him as righteousness at the juncture of Genesis 15:6; many years before he offered Isaac on the altar.

For all of those years, what work of Abraham justified him before God?

I will answer you with this.

Jhn 6:28, Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jhn 6:29, Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Great.
Now what does BELIEVE mean?

 

[justbyfaith]

Great.
Now what does BELIEVE mean?

To trust in and rely upon.

If I believe that a chair will hold me up, I will sit in it.

 

[justbyfaith]

If a person has a lot of faith in God but acts as if God doesn't exist, how is his faith of any value to the Kingdom of God?

His genuine faith, apart from works, will justify him (Romans 4:5-6).

 

[justbyfaith]

It's through Him that we are saved...whether we even know Him or not.

I beg to differ.

If we do not know Him, and our faith is not in Him, we are not saved.

 

[justbyfaith]

This is why it's wrong for any denomination to require a second baptism in order to join that congregation.

If someone is only baptized according to Matthew 28:19, a second baptism may be required, in the name of Jesus, for salvation.

If the person can adequately apply the name to the titles in his thinking and theology, such a second baptism may not be needed.

However, for the purpose of assurance, I would recommend a second baptism so that the enemy may not get a foothold.

 

[Hopeful]

Works don't save (Ephesians 2:8-9); that is the bottom line.

Agreed.
The works of the law won't save, specifically: circumcision, dietary rules, feast keeping sabbath keeping, tithing, etc.

A living faith will produce works; and a dead faith will not save.

Both true.

But it is not the works that are produced by a living faith, that save. It is the faith itself.

They can't be separated.

Also, I would suggest that you memorize the following verses.
Rom 4:5, But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6, Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

As I already noted above, circumcision, etc can't save.
But nobody who has not repented of sin and been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sin, will be saved.
Nobody that has not received the gift of the Holy Ghost will be saved.
Nobody who won't love his neighbor as he loves himself will be saved.

 

[justbyfaith]

Agreed.
The works of the law won't save, specifically: circumcision, dietary rules, feast keeping sabbath keeping, tithing, etc.

Both true.

They can't be separated.

As I already noted above, circumcision, etc can't save.
But nobody who has not repented of sin and been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sin, will be saved.
Nobody that has not received the gift of the Holy Ghost will be saved.
Nobody who won't love his neighbor as he loves himself will be saved.

Romans 4:5-6 does not speak specifically of "the works of the law" but of works, period.

The passage teaches us that we are saved through faith in Jesus Christ, apart from works period.

I agree that salvation comes through baptism in Jesus' Name; but would contend that such baptism is not a work of man but a means by which God can work in a person's heart.

And as I said in the other thread, loving our neighbor as ourself is not a means of obtaining salvation. It is the sure result of a genuine salvation.

And therefore, if we do not love our neighbor as ourself, it signifies damnation. It is the same result as if we obtained salvation through loving our neighbor.

However, the means by which I have been saved is through believing the gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

The love of the Lord is shed abroad in my heart as the result (Galatians 3:14, Romans 5:5).

And this love is not impractical (1 John 3:17-18).

However, the practical works that I do as the result of love being shed abroad in my heart, do not save me; and neither does having the love of God shed abroad in my heart, save me.

Having the love of the Lord shed abroad in my heart is salvation.

 

[Hopeful]

Romans 4:5-6 does not speak specifically of "the works of the law" but of works, period.

I don't agree.
Paul's entire opening in Romans was his attempt to show the Jews that despite having the Law, they too still needed the Savior.
And that they were no better off than the Gentiles.

The passage teaches us that we are saved through faith in Jesus Christ, apart from works period.

Agreed, if those works are of Moses.

I agree that salvation comes through baptism in Jesus' Name; but would contend that such baptism is not a work of man but a means by which God can work in a person's heart.

Of course it isn't a work of the Mosaic Law, but the purveyors of your doctrine want to do away with everything they don't consider of faith...including repentance from sin, water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, and enduring faithfully until the end.
It is the truest form of calvinism, where your salvation is entirely God's gift that you cannot refuse it or lose it.
You don't HAVE to do anything.
Which just leads to more sin.

And as I said in the other thread, loving our neighbor as ourself is not a means of obtaining salvation. It is the sure result of a genuine salvation.

As long as we are clear that your point is "obtaining" and not "maintaining" salvation, we can keep this dialogue on point.

And therefore, if we do not love our neighbor as ourself, it signifies damnation. It is the same result as if we obtained salvation through loving our neighbor.

Not loving one's neighbor signifies lack of conversion and rebirth.

However, the means by which I have been saved is through believing the gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

Instead of itemizing step one, step two, step three, etc., which I feel is just looking for trouble or an argument, why not just say "conversion starts by believing what is and has been preached" ?
"Faith cometh by hearing..."
So we could be discussing "salvation by hearing".

The love of the Lord is shed abroad in my heart as the result (Galatians 3:14, Romans 5:5).

Good.
The love of the Lord is shed abroad in my heart by Gal 5:24 and Romans 6:6-7.

And this love is not impractical (1 John 3:17-18).
However, the practical works that I do as the result of love being shed abroad in my heart, do not save me; and neither does having the love of God shed abroad in my heart, save me.

Without the one, you don't have the other.
Faith and work are inexorably intermingled.

Having the love of the Lord shed abroad in my heart is salvation.

Finding your name in the book of life on the last day is salvation.
Going out of your way to help a neighbor is the proof of conversion.

 

[justbyfaith]

As long as we are clear that your point is "obtaining" and not "maintaining" salvation, we can keep this dialogue on point.

We do not even "maintain our salvation" by loving our neighbor as ourselves.

Our salvation maintains our love; not the other way around.

Salvation is the gift of God; and the present that is given is the love of the Lord shed abroad in our hearts.

I do not earn salvation by loving my neighbor.

The fact that I am saved means that I love my neighbor; as the result of my salvation.

For salvation is defined as having the love of the Lord shed abroad in our hearts.

If loving my neighbor is what maintains my salvation, then my salvation maintains my salvation.

The reality is that we love our neighbor as ourselves because we are saved and this salvation maintains our love;

Because if loving my neighbor maintains salvation, then my salvation is maintained by works.

That would mean that I am saved by works after the initial salvation by grace through faith.

However, salvation begins with faith, ends with faith, and is by faith all the way through (Romans 1:17, Galatians 3:1-3, Colossians 2:6)...

Without the one, you don't have the other.
Faith and work are inexorably intermingled.

Again, see Romans 4:5-8.

I would suggest that you memorize the passage.

Finding your name in the book of life on the last day is salvation.

We can know that we know that we know that we have everlasting life, and that we are children of God, this side of heaven.

1 John 5:13,

Romans 8:16.

 

[justbyfaith]

If not in Romans 4:5-6, then in Ephesians 2:8-9, the works that are spoken of are not the works of the law; but works period.

Since that is how we interpret Ephesians 2:8-9, it is not out of the question to carry that interpretation over to Romans 4:5-6.

 

[Hopeful]

If not in Romans 4:5-6, then in Ephesians 2:8-9, the works that are spoken of are not the works of the law; but works period.

Since that is how we interpret Ephesians 2:8-9, it is not out of the question to carry that interpretation over to Romans 4:5-6.

So now we are saved by hearing, faith, and grace.
But not the works of the Law.
OK.
Want to be saved?
Love God with all your might, strength, and soul; and love your neighbor as you love yourself.

 

[justbyfaith]

So now we are saved by hearing, faith, and grace.
But not the works of the Law.
OK.
Want to be saved?
Love God with all your might, strength, and soul; and love your neighbor as you love yourself.

Want to be saved?

Believe in Jesus and what He did for you on the Cross (1 Corinthians 15:1-4); and His love will be shed abroad in your heart by the power of the Holy Ghost (Galatians 3:14, Romans 5:5).

 

[Hopeful]

Want to be saved?

I'm "Hoping".

Believe in Jesus and what He did for you on the Cross (1 Corinthians 15:1-4); and His love will be shed abroad in your heart by the power of the Holy Ghost (Galatians 3:14, Romans 5:5).

That is indeed one of the first steps.
And not the last

 

[justbyfaith]

That is indeed one of the first steps.
And not the last

Declare to us what are all the steps from your perspective.

 

[donadams]

The term "Father" is still only a title and not a name. "Jesus Christ" is the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. "Father" is a title. "Son" is a title. And "Holy Ghost" is a title.

Not one of these three is a name.

"Jesus Christ" is a name.

I am talking about one name..."Jesus Christ of Nazareth"...

"Jesus Christ" for short;

and

"Jesus of Nazareth" for short.

2:yes


They are the name of the same Person...and are in fact one name...

"Jesus Christ of Nazareth"...

"Jesus Christ" for short;

and "Jesus of Nazareth" for short.

2:yes

Why does scripture say in Matt 28:19 “Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”

The name of

The holy church obeys the command Of Jesus!

Ephesians 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ…

Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing so remain in Christ!

 

[justbyfaith]

Why does scripture say in Matt 28:19 “Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”

The name of

The holy church obeys the command Of Jesus!

Ephesians 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ…

Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing so remain in Christ!

Yes; the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is "Jesus Christ" (compare Matthew 28:19 to Acts 2:38) "of Nazareth" (see Acts 4:10-12).

 

[justbyfaith]

The holy church obeys the command Of Jesus!

In Acts 2:38, was Peter obedient or disobedient to Jesus' command in Matthew 28:19?