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Bible Study Satan Is The Wrath Of God

Squeaky said:
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Not so, I like it if someone can prove me wrong. A deceived person does not know they are deceived. If they knew they were deceived they wouldnt be deceived. And posting the verses just shows my support from the Holy Spirit of what I say. But if they are going to prove me wrong it has to be with verses. I'm not carnally minded any more .
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And many of us have repeatedly proved you wrong, but being that your heart is hardened towards correction seeing you think you know everything you will remain deceived as you add to and take away from the word of God as you allow this Jezebel spirit teach you. You do forsake the fellowship by being a one island person.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
 
for_his_glory said:
Everyone, including myself, are ever learning and we will make mistakes in what we believe to be truth and the Holy Spirit will always convict us of our error. We need to be humbled enough to say "I was wrong". I praise the Lord for those the Holy Spirit works through that have more Spiritual knowledge than I have that He sends to correct me.
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Can I just say here that this is a very good point? But at least I can admit my weaknesses.
 
HeIsRisen2018 said:
This is my last post on this thread, but I really wanted to address the biggest problem that I have with it and I'm sure that many others on here will agree with me. If God created Satan/Lucifer out of wrath, then why the heck did He send His Son to die on the cross for our sins? The Lord didn't set out to condemn the world. For heavens sake Christmas is coming up! Am I one of the few people left on this planet that remembers why we celebrate it!?



"For God so loved the world that He gave His Only begotten Son, for whosoever shall believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life." I might be off on few of the words but I still think that my point is adressed. I don't see anything about His wrath on the world, I only see His love. He gave us the free gift of salvation. It's our choice whether or not we want to accept it. Okay,.. rant over. Tessa, I know that you said that you were done with this thread (and now so am I) but I still wanted you to see this.
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I agree with you as God's wrath is set against those who reject Him and His Son as salvation is a free gift by God's grace to all who have faith in the gift He has given us being His only begotten Son Christ Jesus. Satan, who knows he will be cast into the lake of fire, doesn't bother those who are already his own, but tries to tempt those who are in the hands of the Lord as he tries to steal our faith. This is why there are so many deceivers in the world today that preach another gospel as they are being used by Satan without even knowing they are for they know not Christ

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

John 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
 
Squeaky said:
It separates the born again from those in the milk.
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There is no difference between the born again and those who are on the milk.

John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9, 10 Those who are Spiritually born again are also indwelled with the Holy Spirit the moment they confess Christ as Lord and Saviour, but they do not know that at first until they are taught. Everyone of us started out on the milk of the word until we were weened off of it and were fed the meat for the first time as now we hunger for the meat of God's word as we are ever learning.
 
Squeaky said:
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We are made in the image of God. Satan was made in the image of the wrath of God. Jesus was made in the image of the righteousness of God. We need to know this so we can make an informed choice. The old testament worshiped God in the flesh. The new testament worship God in the Spirit.
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Just so I understand you right are you saying Jesus is a created being?
 
here is what i am saying had you been posting this under law you would be up to your neck in stones ----------dead . personally i think your getting a rush out of this .hey if the admin wants to allow false doctrine posted far be it from me to stop it
 
*ahem* To anybody who is interested in following actual truthful scriptures, I just posted a topic of my own that I think you all should read. :yes
 
for_his_glory said:
No man is a private island and knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost, 2 Peter 1:20. Even Paul was taught first by Gamaliel before he began his missionary journeys.
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Gamaliel, the son of hillel was a pharisee and not likely saved. One of the Sanhedrin .
 
jasonc said:
Jewish thought,not from the bible.

Satan is an angel created ,and is seperate ftom the serpent in the garden,he is to tempt man to sin .to test man.

Jewish thought .
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Yes that's true but he made that decision on his own. God didn't originally create him to be like that.
 
jasonc said:
In Jewish thought ,satan ,the opposer was ordered by God to tempt men .

Satan isnt even Jewish thought a diety
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Umm,.. well I do believe that this is a Christian forum not a Jewish forum. I'm not trying to offend you on this one since I know you have Jewish roots but Christians don't believe that.
 
HeIsRisen2018 said:
Umm,.. well I do believe that this is a Christian forum not a Jewish forum. I'm not trying to offend you on this one since I know you have Jewish roots but Christians don't believe that.
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Never said i did,I said it wasn't biblical .just noting this op is close to what they say.
 
I have read up on what satan is .

One could argue it's his title not his name as on hebrew it's ha satan,not satan.the opposer,it's more importaNT to know thar an angel acts as an opposer and leads the rebellion versus if that's his name or not
 
for_his_glory said:
Satan has not yet been kicked out of heaven as the war between him an the Arch angel Michael has not happened yet, but yet he has access to travel between heaven and earth as a roaring lion seeking who he can devour.
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It's really not something we can wedge into the space between "Let there be light" and "On the seventh day, God rested from His work of creating."
I don't think the Bible is clear on when Satan was created and when he was cast down. It's all rather fuzzy. Maybe it's fuzzy because we really don't need to know that much abut the history of a looser.
 
HeIsRisen2018 said:
Yes that's true but he made that decision on his own. God didn't originally create him to be like that.
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That is one interpretation, but that interpretation has issues when you take in the whole of scripture.

As far as Jewish thought, you have to understand that scripture was given to the Jews, and gentiles ( you and I) have been grafted in. All of the Apostles were Jews and yes, even Jesus was Jewish. Actually, the first Christian's were Jewish.

What im saying is this, Christianity is rooted in Jewish thought that God revealed to them through the centuries. Not all of it is incorrect and not all of it should be dismissed so easily.

The serpent in the garden is spelled differently than the serpent Moses staff turned into, but you wont see that in the Greek texts or the English texts. Jews discuss these differences in depth because their language isnt designed like our language as each character in their language holds meaning and carrys an idea.

Scripture tells us that Satan is an Angel, and he masquerades at times as an Angel of light. But do Angel's have free will? Or were they created to carry out a specific purpose? The name Satan in Jewish thought denotes a twisting and crookedness, such as a crooked path you would generally avoid.

The devil made me do it is probably one of the biggest lies out there. The devil can whisper in your ear, because that is his role. But only you have the freewill to say no, and stay on the straight path. But if you stay from the straight path, it will also be Satan who accuses you before God and all of your friends, because that is what Satan was created to do. Satan was a liar from the beginning, because he was created for that purpose. There was nothing except the trinity before the beginning... Satan was created a liar and with purpose.
 
jasonc said:
Gamaliel, the son of hillel was a pharisee and not likely saved. One of the Sanhedrin .
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Ty jasonc as I appreciate that, but I already new that. I was just showing from whom Paul learned the law from as many of his teachings were about law and grace.
 
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