Saving faith with works is saving faith by works

[Carry_Your_Name]

Of course that is true but my only point is that the whole Bible teaches that the saving part of that is the faith.
However faith and works are a dichotomy as soon as you start putting your trusting in your works for salvation. That is pride and makes you like the pharasies. As soon as you begin to think of yourself as a good person because of what you do you run afoul of the gospel.

No, it's quite the opposite. It is the unwashed pagan atheists who'd think of themselves as good persons according to their work, their pride comes from their accomplishments. My point was, Phariseic snobs exalt themselves, their pride comes from their supposed salvation - God has chosen me over you; I'm saved, you still live in sin; I believe in God, you believe in nothing; I'm spiritual, you're carnal, therefore I'm superior than you, you may enjoy your worldly rewards in this life, but that's all you'll have; afterward I'll go to heaven while you go to hell. Jesus harshly condemned such attitude, He emphasized on work all the time - "whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister (Matt. 12:50), it's never a dichotomy. A truly saved person puts their trust not in work itself, but in God who'll guide their work, and they work for God as a form of worship, also a humbling experience. That includes all kinds of secular work, not just "work of the law".

 

[onlysaved]

No, it's quite the opposite. It is the unwashed pagan atheists who'd think of themselves as good persons according to their work, their pride comes from their accomplishments. My point was, Phariseic snobs exalt themselves, their pride comes from their supposed salvation - God has chosen me over you; I'm saved, you still live in sin; I believe in God, you believe in nothing; I'm spiritual, you're carnal, therefore I'm superior than you, you may enjoy your worldly rewards in this life, but that's all you'll have; afterward I'll go to heaven while you go to hell. Jesus harshly condemned such attitude, He emphasized on work all the time - "whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister (Matt. 12:50), it's never a dichotomy. A truly saved person puts their trust not in work itself, but in God who'll guide their work, and they work for God as a form of worship, also a humbling experience. That includes all kinds of secular work, not just "work of the law".

Yeah...... ummmm. No.

 

[GodsGrace]

Strong’s Definitions
πείθω peíthō, pi’-tho; a primary verb; to convince (by argument, true or false); by analogy, to pacify or conciliate (by other fair means); reflexively or passively, to assent (to evidence or authority), to rely (by inward certainty):—agree, assure, believe, have confidence, be (wax) conflent, make friend, obey, persuade, trust, yield.

The ancient Greek word for “believe” is pisteuó, this tense of the verb means to begin believing and to keep on believing.

It means more than that...
but you did post TO BEGIN BELIEVING AND TO KEEP ON BELIEVING.

Thank You for agreeing with me.
We must be believing at the time of our death.

Verses that teach Salvation by faith.. actually by grace through faith. Because our belief doesn't save us. It's God's grace that saves us. That is to say God's not giving us the punishment we deserve. He grants is this grace when we choose to believe Him.

Amen.

Verses that put this on display.
Ephesians 2, 8-9
"It is by grace you have been saved through faith and this not of yourselves it is the gift of God and not the result of works so that no one may boast."

Agreed.

John 3 16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that Whosoever believes in Him shall not die but have everlasting life.

Amen.

Acts 16:30​

Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

Agreed again.

Romans 10:9-10​

Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

That's what it says.

Romans 10:13​

For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

Agreed.

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him

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1 Peter 1:8-9​

Though you have not seen him, you love him. Though you do not now see him, you believe in him and rejoice with joy that is inexpressible and filled with glory, obtaining the outcome of your faith, the salvation of your souls.

So we agree on all of the above.
The question is:
Does it end there?

And you didn't really define BELIEVE really well.
If a person BELIEVES....he FOLLOWS the person that is believed.

What do you think it means to follow Jesus?

If you believe Jesus....you follow Him...you do as He says/teaches.

Did Jesus teach anything?

 

[for_his_glory]

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

The faith of Christ, (KJV - John 12:44-50; Galatians 2:16; Philippians 3:9), is where we find faith in Christ. The newer translations has changed where it says faith of Christ to faith in Christ. There is a difference between faith of Christ and faith in Christ as you can read in those scriptures out of the KJV. The faith of Christ is what He believed in the Father as He never said or did anything above that which God gave Him to speak or to do while He was on earth. Our faith in Christ is the same faith of Christ He had in the Father as we can never go above that of what He taught us and the works He left for us to follow in.

The Son of God is that free gift of God's grace given to all who will believe by faith in Christ and confess Him as Lord and Savior so they will see the kingdom of God, John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9, 10. There is no working towards something that is free as all we have to do is accept the gift. Believe is a verb that means something we consider to be true as we have heard the Gospel and not only heard it, but also believe what is written for our well being.

Faith works come after we are Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit that empowers us to go out into the world and continue in the good works of the Lord, Acts 2:37, 38; James 2:14-20. The good works are taking His Gospel message to the world as we too are His disciples and to love and help those in need as what we do we do unto the glory of the Lord Christ Jesus, Matthew 25:31-40