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Self Assurance Doctrines

Hopeful 2 said:
If I don't know how to confront, say smokers, about sins of self abuse, how can I explain it to them?
You seem to be getting more and more desperate to drag me back into sin.
I think I will ignore you for a little while.
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No, I've been careful to not play the game of searching out your sin.

I'm sticking with the scriptures themselves that show believers do still sin. I'm simply addressing your scriptural arguments that they don't, and can't, sin.
 
Hopeful 2 said:
You are unaware of the flesh's destruction.
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No, it is not destroyed. It still speaks.
What has been destroyed is it's authority to make me do what it still tempts me to do. Just the fact that happens shows that it is not dead in the way that you are saying it is dead. It is dead to me in regard to it's authority over me.
 
Hopeful 2 said:
Believers really do take the way God provides to escape temptations.
You've got us mixed up with unbelievers.
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I've taken it often. And not taken it, too.
And I, too, have the Spirit of God in me.

Hopeful 2 said:
Gradual conversion is no conversion.
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Becoming in practice what God has cleansed and set us apart to be is a process. Your theology totally ignores the difference between babes in Christ drinking the milk knowledge of the word, inexperienced in the message of righteousness progressing to the solid food of the mature in a distinguishing of good from evil.

13For everyone who lives on milk is still an infant, inexperienced in the message of righteousness. 14But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained their senses to distinguish good from evil. Hebrews 5:13-14
 
Hopeful 2 said:
No, it doesn't.
When I was reborn, I didn't know how to convince baptists to come to the real faith, but I grew in knowledge to where I can now.
The same for catholicism and mormonalogy.
I didn't even know I should keep my shirt on when I was baptized !

It would be a sin to ignore teachings from the pastors, deacons, and brotherhood.
But aren't Christians there with those righteous men in order to keep free from sin?
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You're just not getting the argument, or you're side stepping it.

Look at the passage:

5For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith virtue; and to virtue, knowledge; 6and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. 8For if you possess these qualities and continue to grow in them, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:5-8

To continue to grow in the spiritual attributes emboldened in the passage above means you weren't perfect in those attributes. How do you grow in things like self-control and brotherly kindness and love except that you weren't perfect in those things to begin with? Growing in them means to be obedient in them more often where you were not always obedient before.
 
grace2 said:
Your salvation is assured if you are being faithful to Him until the end.
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Of course, but the present state of your salvation is assured if you presently believe and are being faithful to him in this very moment:

Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, and in which you stand firm. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. 1 Corinthians 15:1-2

"Are saved" and "hold firmly" are in the Present tense. It's saying if you are presently holding firmly to the word of the gospel preached to you then you are presently saved.

You can check that these are the verb tenses being used in any Concordance, like this: 1 Corinthians 15:2 (Just click on the 'parsing' button next to 'ye are saved' and 'ye keep' to see the tense of the verb).
 
gordon777 said:
So nobody notices the two nicknames, grace2 and hopeful 2, are so very similar, and they joined within two days of each other recently.

They conveniently talk together at the same times.

They both have been with 6000 plus posts with a recent deleted nickname, or another information is 20 years forum experience ?
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Suspicious…do they repeatedly “like” each other’s posts?
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Of course, but the present state of your salvation is assured if you presently believe and are being faithful to him in this very moment:
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It is the Lord's claim if you are saved or not, not yourself.

It is the arrogant claim and usurping His Lordship.
 
grace2 said:
It is the Lord's claim if you are saved or not, not yourself.

It is the arrogant claim and usurping His Lordship.
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But the Bible tells us that our behavior validates our calling and election by God (2 Peter 1:10). So this is not a matter of deciding for ourselves that we are saved. God has told us how to confirm and be sure that we are called and elected by him.

Living for God and serving him and the church shows that we are children of God and have the Holy Spirit in us in salvation. The presence of the Holy Spirit in a person is evidenced by the fruit it produces in that person.
 
grace2 said:
He has been claiming to be saved and born again.

I guess he has been twisting around his own ward.
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He claims to be born again. But he says no one is saved until they make it all the way through their life without sinning thus showing themselves to really be born again. And so because they are born again they will be saved at the resurrection and the return of Christ. I invite his correction if I have misunderstood his position on this.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
He claims to be born again. But he says no one is saved until they make it all the way through their life without sinning thus showing themselves to really be born again. And so because they are born again they will be saved at the resurrection and the return of Christ. I invite his correction if I have misunderstood his position on this.
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Jesus says you have to be born again to be saved.

So if you claimed to be born again, you are claiming to be saved.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
But the Bible tells us that our behavior validates our calling and election by God (2 Peter 1:10). So this is not a matter of deciding for ourselves that we are saved. God has told us how to confirm and be sure that we are called and elected by him.

Living for God and serving him and the church shows that we are children of God and have the Holy Spirit in us in salvation. The presence of the Holy Spirit in a person is evidenced by the fruit it produces in that person.
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Claiming to be saved is an arrogant attitude that is so against Jesus' principles.

Get real friend.
 
grace2 said:
Claiming to be saved is an arrogant attitude that is so against Jesus' principles.
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Is it though?

Luk 7:50 And he said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

Luk 19:9 And Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, since he also is a son of Abraham.

Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Joh 10:9 I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture.

Joh 20:31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Act 16:31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

Rom 5:9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.
Rom 5:11 More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

Rom 8:23 And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
Rom 8:24 For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees?

Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.”
Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.
Rom 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
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Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

2Ti 1:9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,

Tit 3:5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Do Jesus, John, and Paul agree with you?
 
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