Seven Year Covenant and Daniel’s 70 weeks

[Truth7t7]

I should have said geographically as we know it's called the lake of fire, but yet have no idea or concept of where it is.

The Holy Bible states "The Lake Of Fire" will be outside the gates of Eternal New Jerusalem.

Isaiah 66:22-24KJV
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Revelation 22:14-15KJV
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

 

[Jim Parker]

Torment and flames are a metaphor Jesus used as in emotional suffering

There is absolutely nothing in the parable to suggest, and certainly not to support, that conclusion.
It appears to me that you are inserting your own view, that is; what you want scripture to say, into the text (AKA: "eisegesis") rather than allowing the scriptures to "speak" for themselves or to accept them as meaning exactly what they say.

Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor) is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exist two explanations for an occurrence. In this case the simpler one is usually better. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation.

iakov the fool

 

[Jim Parker]

two examples of people referred to as souls

You are conflating the meanings and usages of ancient Hebrew with the usages and meanings of modern, western English.
It is a common misstep and rather difficult to avoid.
The English word "soul" can be used to refer to an immaterial component of a human being ("May God have mercy on your soul.") or it can be used to refer to the physical component of the human being. (Poor soul! He lost his leg in an accident.")
Too often, people will erroneously alternate between the two meanings in a single sentence or paragraph thus creating confusion.

So, for the definition of the word; "soul", it is necessary to determine the context in which it is used.

 

[for_his_glory]

Were not talking about the righteous saved.

You deny that there is a current "Hell" of firey toement, where the wicked souls go to upon death.

The wicked soul does not return to God.

I don't deny there is a hell, but know by scripture alone it is not a place of literal fiery torment, but only being the grave as I have shown repeatedly in scripture alone. If it's a literal place of fiery torment for the wicked then this makes void that of Rev 20:14.

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Says all souls are God's. He was the one who created our soul and gave life to it making it a living soul. He also says the soul that sins will die as it will no longer exist in His presence.

 

[for_his_glory]

Tell ya what, how many pages are we on now about hell which has nothing to do with the seven year covenant OP. I have given all I can to explain my belief of hell and don't know what more I can give in scripture other than repeating myself. You believe as you will and I the way I do by how I study it. Makes no difference as far as our already receiving God's promise of salvation by His grace through faith that is Christ Jesus so it's time to walk away from the hell part of this discussion. Everyone have a blessed evening.

 

[Truth7t7]

"I don't deny there is a hell, but know by scripture alone it is not a place of literal fiery torment, but only being the grave"

"the soul that sins will die as it will no longer exist"

You deny a literal firey hell of torment, and you state the wicked soul ceases to exist after death, "Non-Existence".

Your teaching and belief is exactly as the Jehovah's witnesses as seen below.

Wikipedia: Jehovahs Witness Beliefs

Watch Tower publications teach that hell(hades or sheol) is not a place of fiery torment, but rather the "common grave of mankind", a place of unconscious non-existence.

 

[for_his_glory]

You deny a literal firey hell of torment, and you state the wicked soul ceases to exist after death, "Non-Existence".

Your teaching and belief is exactly as the Jehovah's witnesses as seen below.

Wikipedia: Jehovahs Witness Beliefs

Watch Tower publications teach that hell(hades or sheol) is not a place of fiery torment, but rather the "common grave of mankind", a place of unconscious non-existence.

God bless and have a good evening brother

 

[Jim Parker]

I don't deny there is a hell, but know by scripture alone it is not a place of literal fiery torment, but only being the grave as I have shown repeatedly in scripture alone.

But you have ignored or reframed those scriptures which don't fit your views.
So the rich man tormented in flame isn't really tormented in flames.
And when Jesus says "Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:" ( Mat 25:41) He really doesn't mean that the condemned will be sent to everlasting fire.
So, what you are proposing is that Jesus doesn't really mean what He says.

 

[jasonc]

oy vey, historically the Jews believe that Sheol had levels, one for the wicked and one for the righteous. it was a prison for the wicked, the lowest level, and this depends on far back one goes as im not sure if its in the midrash or the Talmud that has the lowest two levels of a fiery torment. usually most believe that the wicked are all in one level of torment. also the Jews believed in Ginhimmon(Gehenna) which was nothing but a fiery place of torment. there was no way of escaping.

 

[for_his_glory]

But you have ignored or reframed those scriptures which don't fit your views.
So the rich man tormented in flame isn't really tormented in flames.
And when Jesus says "Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:" ( Mat 25:41) He really doesn't mean that the condemned will be sent to everlasting fire.
So, what you are proposing is that Jesus doesn't really mean what He says.

Believe as you will. God bless you and have a great evening

 

[lecoop]

Seven Year Covenant and Daniel’s 70 weeks
I was able to find some info on this. Is it right? You judge for yourself. I do not always go by the facts that man comes up with. I go by what the Holy Spirit lets me see in God’s Word. I feel that the time and dates of future events and God’s word are not as important as the fact that God says these events will take place. It is not my place to question God’s timing of his plans. It is my place to trust God’s word that these things will take place at a time of his choosing. I believe God does not want us to read the calendar and watched the clock. God wants us to read his word and watch for the signs as Jesus tells us in Matthew 24.

I do know this with every fiber of body and mind that Jesus Christ’s return for His people is close at hand. The Earth also knows this. You can read Matt 24 and check out the news and see this too. I believe that God works in 3’s. Time of sorrows. Which started at the crucifixion of Jesus. Tribulations part 1. The breaking of the first seal. 1948 Israel becoming a State. Great Tribulations. The 6th seal. I believe what kicks this off is when the "abomination of desolation" stands in the "holy place," God's place.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRZqa6dz_XVmQ5u7a8TP54jFiotw0pooaJjqqKr8akK0vkpu0u-AIBQzPSUc1fspvrvgOX3GexOGGye/pub

It is a myth that the first seal is inside the 70th week. Indeed, John shows us the timing of the first seals is around 32 AD, when Jesus rose from the dead and sent the Holy Spirit down. That is the context of the first seal.

I agree, His coming is imminent!

 

[Jim Parker]

Seven Year Covenant and Daniel’s 70 weeks

I was reading 2nd Peter this morning.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

70 weeks would be 490 days.
Since Peter said that a day with the Lord is 1000 years then the 70 weeks would be 490,000 years and we have a way to go yet.

hmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Jim Parker]

I believe God does not want us to read the calendar and watched the clock. God wants us to read his word and watch for the signs as Jesus tells us in Matthew 24.

Not just reading and watching but doing
Jas 1:22 ...be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
Jhn 14:15 If you love Me, keep My commandments.
Mat 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 24:13 ... he who endures to the end shall be saved.
Mat 7:24-27 Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.

 

[Mark S]

I was reading 2nd Peter this morning.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

70 weeks would be 490 days.
Since Peter said that a day with the Lord is 1000 years then the 70 weeks would be 490,000 years and we have a way to go yet.

hmmmmmmmmmmm

Time with the Lord is speaking of the time in Heaven Dan 70 weeks is time here on earth.

 

[Mark S]

It is a myth that the first seal is inside the 70th week. Indeed, John shows us the timing of the first seals is around 32 AD, when Jesus rose from the dead and sent the Holy Spirit down. That is the context of the first seal.

I agree, His coming is imminent!

when Jesus rose from the dead and sent the Holy Spirit down was the start of the church age. The church age being the time when the gospel of Jesus Christ was being preached the first time to all people around the world.

I see the first seal to be sometime in the middle 1900's because of Matt 24:14;

Matthew 24:14 (KJV) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

 

[Jim Parker]

Time with the Lord is speaking of the time in Heaven Dan 70 weeks is time here on earth.

OK
70 weeks = 490 days