Should Christians take medicine ?

[GodspromisesRyes]

i find this kinda funny but at the same time not.

If is an odd thing that people believe it is testing God to simply believe and stand in faith for what God already promised that He already accomplished and gave US.

BUT

you do not think it is testing God to go to a doctor and have them inject your body with POISON that has the intention of KILLING OFF YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM COMPETELY so that everything GOOD AND BAD is killed. So it is not testing God to poison yourself and kill off your immune system that God created you with to keep you healthy but to believe He will do what He promised is testing Him hmmm.

And again to look at His word and say oh my Lord! You took stripes to heal me, you healed ALL who came to you in faith and turned none away, You say in the psalms not to forget your benefits and that you heal ALL our diseases! OH GOD i am sick heal me, Let your sacrifice be applied to me! Be my salvation! My healer! O YHWH RAPHA! I will wait and trust in you!- This you say is testing God

But going and laying under a radiation machine that shoots RADIATION INTO YOUR BODY that again can cause all kinda physical problems and ( if you dont have the Lord, can give you cancer by itself in the future!) that isnt testing God.

Now we are told that to recieve anything from God we must not be double minded but ask in faith nothing wavering. If you can ask God and not waver and this is what we are told to do, then how can doing that be testing God when we did not purposely put ourselves in the situation to need healing?You cannot pray for healing and then be unsure that God wants to heal you and then be healed. We are to ask and be sure he will do it.

Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all [men] liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Jam 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
Jam 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
Jam 1:8 A double minded man [is] unstable in all his ways.


Now some here want to keep using the arguement that God works through people. well no one disagrees with that, we are just saying that in Gods covenant of salvation the methods He uses to do His kingdom work for people THROUGH PEOPLE are by GRACE through FAITH.- It is through the faith of His people that He accomplishes the work in us. It is sometimes by the laying on of hands or the annoiting of oil and repentance and forgiveness that God does these things THROUGH HIS PEOPLE.

And to clarify I did not say God will never work through doctors, I said that is not his highest gift, His best for us.It is not the fullness of His grace or covenant or promises to do so.He wants the best for us, what is best for us and best for His glory. If we do not have the faith yet to walk in His best then He will use where we are at also but He does not desire for us to forever remain as children subject to the world and having less then fullness of grace.

 

[Cornelius]

And to clarify I did not say God will never work through doctors, I said that is not his highest gift, His best for us.It is not the fullness of His grace or covenant or promises to do so.He wants the best for us, what is best for us and best for His glory. If we do not have the faith yet to walk in His best then He will use where we are at also but He does not desire for us to forever remain as children subject to the world and having less then fullness of grace.

Amen

I must also give glory to God , this week He healed me from a chronic liver problem. Everything is gone and its back to normal. Praise God.

 

[Cornelius]

I want to make it clear, that as GPR said as well, this is not a LAW. Go to doctors and take your meds . You will not impress God with your actions of not going to a doctor, if indeed you do not have faith. That would lead to terrible consequences.

We all GROW in faith. We grow in faith when we allow the Word into our hearts. Faith come by hearing. And that kind of "hearing God" only comes through the Word. That "hearing" makes us go "Ah, I now I understand Lord ! " and then faith follows.

We also must not allow ourselves to be taken by the false doctrines of man, that wants to teach you their ways. This would be a mistake as well. Christianity is about faith, without which its impossible to be pleasing unto God.

Its all about becoming a disciple. Learning to walk in the footsteps of Jesus. Not about making laws and condemnation. Our Father loves us and wants us to trust Him, but that trust comes with time, as we are allowed through the grace of God to travel on this path.

Just be willing to be taught of the Lord !

 

[Drew]

LOL not it does not, because the little birds are not sick.

But I will give you a 6 for trying really hard.

My argument actually does indeed work.

The point, as I am sure you must know, is not that birds do not get sick. The point, obviously, is that the Bible tells us that God feeds the little birds. Does he do this by reaching down from heaven and dropping food in their mouths?

Obviously not - He uses agents in creation - the mommy and daddy birds - to bring food to the baby birds.

I realize why you need to dismiss this argument - it is fatal to your position.

Here is how it is fatal to your position: If God uses agents in His creation - baby birds - to fulfill a promise He made to feed. there is every reason to see doctors and scientists as agents that fulfill His promise to heal.

 

[Drew]

i find this kinda funny but at the same time not.

I could not agree more. And what is not funny about is that, if the idea that doctors and medical technology are to be shunned, or relativized as "second best", many people will no doubt lose their lives because some people cannot, or more likely will not, understand that there is strong Biblical reason to believe that God works through human (or animal) agency to fulfill his promises.

 

[NIGHTMARE]

We do all realize that Luke was a physician right...........

 

[lovely]

Nightmare,

He was mentioned, along with some other scripture references to the goodness of medicine, but it has been ignored.

 

[NIGHTMARE]

Nightmare,

He was mentioned, along with some other scripture references to the goodness of medicine, but it has been ignored.

Glad you see that ,,,,kinda answers the question of this thread there in itself no...

 

[Cornelius]

Praise God, we have been seeing a lot of healings lately in our fellowhip. Last week we prayed for a lady who suffered from a disease that causes you to loose all your bodily hair. There is no cure for it. All her eyebrows fell out as well. We prayed last Thursday and her hair started growing again even her eyebrows.

Another healing also: We prayed for a little boy, who's doctor gave him so much antibiotics that his colon stared bleeding and he had diarrhea all the time. He was healed while we prayed for him. Praise God. The bleeding stopped immediately and his mother told us that he went back to one nappy instead of five or six a day.

 

[Cornelius]

The baby's family say they are angry at the hospital

A premature baby declared dead by doctors at a hospital in Paraguay was found to be alive hours later when he was taken home for a funeral wake.

Jose Alvarenga said he had discovered his son was alive after he heard crying from the box in which he was placed.

The baby is now back at the same hospital's intensive care unit and reported to be in a stable condition.

The head of paediatric care at the hospital said a doctor had not properly checked the infant's vital signs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8191023.stm

 

[Adullam]

Praise God, we have been seeing a lot of healings lately in our fellowhip. Last week we prayed for a lady who suffered from a disease that causes you to loose all your bodily hair. There is no cure for it. All her eyebrows fell out as well. We prayed last Thursday and her hair started growing again even her eyebrows.

Another healing also: We prayed for a little boy, who's doctor gave him so much antibiotics that his colon stared bleeding and he had diarrhea all the time. He was healed while we prayed for him. Praise God. The bleeding stopped immediately and his mother told us that he went back to one nappy instead of five or six a day.

:amen

 

[jasoncran]

praise the lord for that testimony. Who said that medicine is perfect, all man's endeavors arent.No, i'm not against a christian taking meds, but i also believe in healing from the Lord.

I dont want to derail this thread on the failures of modern medicine.

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

those of you who are fighting for the " God uses human agents" argument, do you realize that we are not disagreeing with you? We have said firstly that God desires to use the humans who are believers. He has set up a way for it to be by the faith of his humans, and sometimes by the prayer of other human agents, by the laying on of hands of other human agents, by the annoiting with oil by other human agents. but yet the only kind of human agent that you seem to accept and argue for is those who dont use those methods that God gave the church and set up for them.

Now beyond that we have also said that God will use doctors and medicine but that it was not His best for us. So we are not disagreeing with the use of human agents to do Gods will. The problem is not with God using human agents but with some here insisting that means that Gods best way and will is to use doctors as the human agents who get used with no balance in your message of the human agents who are beleivers and are used in the promises in faith in the covenant we are saved in by the sacrifice of Christ.

Now to say that doctors and medicine should not be looked at as second best sort of just shocks me, i really cannot understand that logic unless you have never been really sick and been healed by God and been really sick and went to the doctor.
Please explain to me how Something that is very costly, that causes people you do not know to cause you excess pain, to probe around in and on your naked body,to sometimes cut you open and sew you shut, to sometimes poison you, to give you medicines that give you side effects that then require more meds to take care of,that sometimes does not prevent the thing from coming back or does not even make the problem go away at all just helps it.

How is that not second best to seeing the word of God, believing the Lord for His promises, and having the problem healed completely for free, with no pills to take, without it coming back, without poison, without being cut open, wthout any strangers poking proding or seeing you naked.To ahve your sickness made totally better like as if you never had in in the first place, and also having a testimony where no one can get credit or glory but God and that builds the faith of others that Gods power and promises are real?

I tell ya what i hope you never have to have chemotherapy, to watch bags of funny colored poison pumped into your body watching everyone around you who is getting it whithering away sickly weak to see that this is the SECOND BEST way.

 

[jasoncran]

i never said that no to believing in healing of the lord for your healing, but i think common sense is in order, ie my wife has bipolar and i wouldnt advise to not take her meds, unless the Lord(I would reallly ensure that it was him). Bipolar without treatment kills the afflected or those around them, think virginia tech, and those that have it can die of a heart attack or suicide.

jason

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

i never said that no to believing in healing of the lord for your healing, but i think common sense is in order, ie my wife has bipolar and i wouldnt advise to not take her meds, unless the Lord(I would reallly ensure that it was him). Bipolar without treatment kills the afflected or those around them, think virginia tech, and those that have it can die of a heart attack or suicide.

jason

and well you shouldnt becuase if you told her not to take them that would be based on your faith not hers, but if she was reading the word fo God and saw and beleived that " man i dont have to be under this i can beleive God it is already done!" then she may choose not to take them by faith.

 

[Cornelius]

We really had such a good bible study last night on the fact that the curse has been removed. Its because Christians do not believe that Jesus in fact removed that curse, that they struggle with faith in relation to healing. We HAVE to know the Word because God says we perish because of a lack of knowledge.

We can still walk into the curse, but we are now able to overcome it by the Blood of the Lamb.

Christianity is supernatural :yes

 

[jasoncran]

i never said that no to believing in healing of the lord for your healing, but i think common sense is in order, ie my wife has bipolar and i wouldnt advise to not take her meds, unless the Lord(I would reallly ensure that it was him). Bipolar without treatment kills the afflected or those around them, think virginia tech, and those that have it can die of a heart attack or suicide.

jason

and well you shouldnt becuase if you told her not to take them that would be based on your faith not hers, but if she was reading the word fo God and saw and beleived that " man i dont have to be under this i can beleive God it is already done!" then she may choose not to take them by faith.

yes, but one must be careful, bipolar and depressant by nature often choose not to seek treatment, and often can make poor judgements. My wife not that long ago, overdosed on sleeping pills, by the grace of God she was injured at all.

a fellow believer has been very slowly delivered from bipolar, she no longer takes the meds, but still has some of the other things that some bipolar do. I do believe that the Lord can do it, i must be done very wisely and with much caution, in regards to weaning off of meds.

jason

 

[Cornelius]

i never said that no to believing in healing of the lord for your healing, but i think common sense is in order, ie my wife has bipolar and i wouldnt advise to not take her meds, unless the Lord(I would reallly ensure that it was him). Bipolar without treatment kills the afflected or those around them, think virginia tech, and those that have it can die of a heart attack or suicide.

jason

and well you shouldnt becuase if you told her not to take them that would be based on your faith not hers, but if she was reading the word fo God and saw and beleived that " man i dont have to be under this i can beleive God it is already done!" then she may choose not to take them by faith.

yes, but one must be careful, bipolar and depressant by nature often choose not to seek treatment, and often can make poor judgements. My wife not that long ago, overdosed on sleeping pills, by the grace of God she was injured at all.

a fellow believer has been very slowly delivered from bipolar, she no longer takes the meds, but still has some of the other things that some bipolar do. I do believe that the Lord can do it, i must be done very wisely and with much caution, in regards to weaning off of meds.

jason

Yes, like in all healing, this is a walk with the Lord. I think the "argument" here is that we as Christians, must not see medicine as God final and ultimate solution for our healing.

We have to ask ourselves: Did God choose to ultimately heal through doctors ? If the answer is YES, then we must look at the system and judge it correctly to see if it is indeed the true answer to our health.In other words, does show God's character to us, is it safe, is it good, does it never harm us: or is it a 50-50 chance that it would hurt us in some way ?

 

[Cornelius]

If this is God's choice of healing; why do we in Africa not have the same access to this wonderful care of God ? Why did God make this only for the rich?

 

[Tina]

If this is God's choice of healing; why do we in Africa not have the same access to this wonderful care of God ? Why did God make this only for the rich?

You mean there are no doctors in Africa ?