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Should I publicly correct my teacher?

Edward Listen to the words of Dr. Robert Price: "I love the Bible. I have dedicated my life to the study of it." A good, Christian thing to say, right? No. Dr. Price is an open atheist, and was an atheist when he said that, and he still stands by that statement as much as always.

Most Christians don't understand how an atheist could have that sentiment. It's because many of them want to keep the Bible for themselves, like only they can understand it and get anything out of it. (By the way, I don't consider the Tanakh to be a Christian "Old Testament", but rather Jewish scriptures.) Let me address your post:

Edward said:
I didn't mean to come across harshly. But surely you jest, Sister? Ok, perhaps he didn't claim to teach about God. But doesnt it sound like he's applying for the position without saying it exactly like that? He wants to correct the teacher. He wants to teach the teacher. He did say these things.
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Yes I want to correct the teacher, because I think he is misinterpreting the verse. I have researched the issue, as I stated I have read all of Wesley's work and most of Jacob Arminius' work. Very few Calvinists can claim that, and I doubt my youth pastors can.
Edward said:
But should a professing Atheist be allowed to teach Children or the Sunday School teacher about their own God?
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A professing (not quite sure what you mean by the word, are you questioning whether I am actually an atheist?) atheist should be allowed to tell the Sunday school teacher that he is misunderstanding what the Bible says, as long as they have citations and references and defenses to back up their claims.
Edward said:
It is commendable that the brother is apparently seeking the truth about God. But while he is a profeessing to have no faith in God atheist position, he has no business correcting the teacher.
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I simply don't agree. My arguments against eternal security are completely independent of my atheism and so my atheism need not be relevant.
Edward said:
The Suday School teacher is guarenteed to be wrong on some points. A false prophet is guarenteed to have a smidgin of truth within his words. The teacher is only human and sees through a glass darkly. And the best lies will be couched in the truth so it is a subtle long term deception which turns out wrong but started with a truth.
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And that is why I am considering saying something.
Edward said:
If the man does not know God, how is he qualified to teach anyone? The carnal mind is emnity with God.
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I am not at emnity with God, because I don't believe in him. Are you at emnity with Allah? Are you at emnity with Zeus or Pan? Are you at emnity with Nut, Geb, Bes and Ptah? Obviously you are not, because you don't believe in them and don't think about them.
Edward said:
Let on who does know God correct the teacher if necessary, and study the scriptures daily as the Bereans do...that means you. That means me. I think it is a good sign that the brother feels convicted enough to be able to spot small errors in teachings and is moved to the desire to correct. That's a sign that the Holy Spirit has not given up on him! But in a renounced state of faith, honestly...he has no leg to stand on. Sir, be polite and don't interupt the teacher. Hold your place quietly.
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That's the thing: to my knowledge no one is correcting him. Everyone is swallowing his words. That is why I feel I should perhaps speak up.

Yes, I study the Scriptures daily, every day I read at least five chapters of the Bible. Only 11% of Americans read the Bible daily (any of the Bible, let alone multiple chapters), despite estimates of Christians in America being about 60% of the population! 9% of millennials read the Bible daily, and I'm even younger than that (by ~2 months).

I have a leg to stand on, the truth.
 
T. E. Smith said:
I thought "God is not the author of confusion"??

Elsewhere I wrote about how I never felt anything from God, despite believing intensely in him and praying to him regularly (though again, feeling nothing during prayer). I believed God spoke to us via his word, and I still believe that that is what the Bible teaches.
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He is not the author of confusion. But that doesn't mean He's not a good tactitcian. The Bible is literally written in code. So the enemy can specifically not understand, but a believer can easily be moved to understand it through the promptings of the Holy Spirit. So there's no confusion. The key to understanding is the Holy Spirit.

So you've never felt anything or heard anything when reading the scriptures? I sure have. Haven't you ever been reading and something just jumps off of the page and into your heart real fast, and you go...Wow, yeah! and you gain insight to whatever it happens to be. That's called receiving revelation or a Rhema. That's God talking to you in Rhema. It is the Holy Spirit's job to teach you and lead you into all truth.

Oh, we're slow learners so it's a progression of learning that takes time. God must Love Stupid people because He made so many!! So if you have never received a Rhema from God, then might I suggest that you are reading the Bible, wrong? Studying to show ourselves approved means more than spending time in the book! I tink you read the word of God with your carnal man. Try reading it from your spirit. It's easy to do, merely an act of your will in your heart. If you started reading from your spirit I bet you'd receive Rhema's then!

But tell the Carnal mind to shut up and allow your spirit to read to you. Don't be all logical and so reasoning through carnality that you miss the Rhema and did not hear the Lord's voice. You must become as a child to receive the things of God. Ask him, Lord I think I know what means, but what are YOU trying to say to me? ...and then pause and listen! Prayer is not a monologue, it is a dialogue. And you bet He will answer you! Something will pop into your head, a thought, a scripture, something. Understand who's talking and believe Him. Consider what popped into your head. Does it answer your question? Is it biblical, agreeing with scripture? Yes? Congratulations, you've just received a Rhema from God and have now heard His still small voice.

The first couple times, you have to believe in on faith alone and then you continue and continue your conversation with Him. After awhile you begin realizing that God is really talking with you, and His voice becomes easier to hear.
I was able to break through this by first telling myself it was game (as a child) and going on the game faith Ok the floor is lava....and believe it. Pretty soon, you'll learn the Lord's speech patterns, how He talks. He don't talk like I do, or think like me (good news for all you guys! Lol), so I a able to hear something new and say uh, that's just how the Lord speaks, so it must be true.

I was able to break through this by, inviting the Lord to go with me and ride along when I went out into the world. To work or whatever. And talk to Him as you drive around, like a best friend. The Lord loves to do this. And He talked a whole bunch to me. It's a little unique talking closely with Him because he always but always says just the right thing, the right way. He doesn't always answer all questions, but He always answers. But you have to pay attention and listen and believe. :wink

I speak truth according to my own personal experience and walk.
 
T. E. Smith said:
What the Bible says is not tied to anyone's beliefs, and therefore someone can understand it regardless of their beliefs.
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Actually what the Bible says is tied in fundamentally to the culture, language, logic framework and religion extant in the initial audiences and writers. One cannot understand it properly without knowing the culture and language of the day. And since it is by the Holy Spirit, it cannot be properly understood without the Holy Spirit as well.
 
T. E. Smith said:
I am not at emnity with God, because I don't believe in him. Are you at emnity with Allah? Are you at emnity with Zeus or Pan? Are you at emnity with Nut, Geb, Bes and Ptah? Obviously you are not, because you don't believe in them and don't think about them.
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Who says I don't? I've gotten a 30 day time out before for talking about them, lol. As far as I know....
Allah was a man on earth and so is not for me to judge!
Zeus and Pan I've heard of and it's my understanding that these guys as well as others, were Nephilim and as such are at enmity with my God and beliefs.
I've never heard of the other four, but perhaps they are Nephilim also? (Genesis 6) so I can't say how I'd be at enmity with them? Perhaps. We'll see if they ever show up. I doubt they would.
 
D-D-W said:
Am I at emnity with the demon spirit of antichrist? You bet I am. A major tenet of islam is "God has no son." First John says anyone who denies the Father and the Son is the spirit of antichrist.
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Good catch, Brother!
Yeah, what he said! I am too then. Even though we wrestle not with flesh and blood but with Principalities and powers, not Allah or Mohammad or whoever, they were men I think, but with the spirit of AntiChrist within them. So I am at enmity with the spirits, but not for the men. That is for God to judge.
 
T. E. Smith said:
My three Sunday school teachers all subscribe to the doctrine of eternal security and thus argue that if someone falls away, they were never saved. They often speak of this to my classmates, some of whom as young as 10. I consider the idea very wrong, and I don't want the kids to be indoctrinated into it. Should I speak up publicly and correct the teachers? I could speak to them in private, but I'm certain that their views would not change at all, and it would still leave the children believing this false doctrine.
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T. E. Smith said:
It is not morally relevant how I would react.
But I would present both perspectives in Sunday school but defend one.
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Is your main objective in all this for the children in the class to learn the truth ?
 
Edward said:
I was able to break through this by, inviting the Lord to go with me and ride along when I went out into the world. To work or whatever. And talk to Him as you drive around, like a best friend. The Lord loves to do this. And He talked a whole bunch to me. It's a little unique talking closely with Him because he always but always says just the right thing, the right way. He doesn't always answer all questions, but He always answers. But you have to pay attention and listen and believe. :wink
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One time I had the urge (while driving and talking with the Lord) to click on the radio with the thought that a decent message program may be on...Jesus said clear as day, please turn the radio off, it will be distracting to you...

It was such a small thing, but I was so convicted! So embarrassed. But He was nice as pie about it. I love the Lord for that quality in Him! I haven't listened to the radio since!
 
hawkman said:
Is your main objective in all this for the children in the class to learn the truth ?
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Now I obviously have my own opinions on the truth of Christianity, but I am not going to share those to the class. Nor to my teachers.
 
T. E. Smith said:
The sooner the better? At least most Christians don't think that the sooner I die, the better.
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Never said the latter.

The sooner you find out (BEFORE you die and BEFORE the final judgement) the better. That way you can make a clear and informed decision.
 
I sense a troll.
Why defend something you don't believe you be true?

I get proper understanding and stating what opposing arguments say.

This is akin to me worrying about the kingdom hall teaching their nwt properly and correcting the tract society despite never believing in the beliefs they have
 
D-D-W said:
Never said the latter.

The sooner you find out (BEFORE you die and BEFORE the final judgement) the better. That way you can make a clear and informed decision.
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If you are certain that I will know (you put in bold), the only way you can know for certain that I will know, is if I die. Since many people do not know God before death, you cannot say for sure that I will know, unless you are talking about death.

But if you did not mean that, that's good. It's just that saying to a nonbeliever "You will find out one day" usually refers to on death, and then saying "the sooner the better"... could be easily taken that way.
jasonc said:
I sense a troll.
Why defend something you don't believe you be true?

I get proper understanding and stating what opposing arguments say.

This is akin to me worrying about the kingdom hall teaching their nwt properly and correcting the tract society despite never believing in the beliefs they have
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Because he claims to be teaching the Bible, and I don't think he is doing so properly. Nothing more than that. I do care what the authors of various texts, including the Bible, meant when they wrote it. I care when teachers of it misrepresent it.
 
T. E. Smith said:
If you are certain that I will know (you put in bold), the only way you can know for certain that I will know, is if I die. Since many people do not know God before death, you cannot say for sure that I will know, unless you are talking about death.

But if you did not mean that, that's good. It's just that saying to a nonbeliever "You will find out one day" usually refers to on death, and then saying "the sooner the better"... could be easily taken that way.

Because he claims to be teaching the Bible, and I don't think he is doing so properly. Nothing more than that. I do care what the authors of various texts, including the Bible, meant when they wrote it. I care when teachers of it misrepresent it.
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No one person will Ever have it 100 percent correct .If God wanted it that way .no one would ever openly challenged God on what he said but refuse to follow

There are deep eschatology arguments.
Yet you only choose enternal security .

I would love to see your idea of How you know the Bible says the judgment occurs and what isreal ..

You also would have me and others deny my Jewish heritage?

The tanakh is the foundation of the christian faith .my own church on that alone would not allow that to be taught.we teach both in unison
 
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