Should I publicly correct my teacher?

[hawkman]

The Sunday school teacher claims to be teaching the truth about the Bible. Yes, I want the children to know what the Bible really says.

Your heart is in it for the children , am I correct ?

Your childhood not far behind you and having the conflict going on in your life you want to see the children have the truth and the love of God shown to them .

If that desire to help the children burns bright within you God can make that happen .

You could be a mighty teacher of God's Word . But you will require the help of the Holy Spirit .


John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

 

[jasonc]

You can't understand the trinity with the limited carnal mind .I was raised anti trinitarian .I was a jw

 

[T. E. Smith]

You also would have me and others deny my Jewish heritage?

Where did I ever say that?

 

[jasonc]

Where did I ever say that?

The tanakh isn't Christian .

My church has A family who hold and gather for the peshac and the mother recites Hebrew prayers .

She has worn a kippah .

The command To follow that is in Exodus .she doesn't tell the gentiles or me to do this.she was orthodox and I get why .I have discussed my lineage with her.its possible since we are Ukrainian in origin that our great grandfather and grand mothers went to temple together .

Her family lived near Odessa .mine lived in Odessa .

I choose not .but I sense that call to be in isreal .the tanakh says things to Jews in ways a saved gentile won't see .

It's not esoteric just you have to be one .

 

[T. E. Smith]

The tanakh isn't Christian .

Yes I agree 100%.

 

[jasonc]

Yes I agree 100%.

That's a big heresy .

You literally have said the old testament is not even relavelent.

When Jesus came there wasnt a new testament .he quoted the prophets .

He was a jew.he spoke to Jews to repent first .
He followed all biblical commands .

If you ignore that .you get heresies.Jesus and his nature is packed in the tanakh .when the apostles went to see Jesus ,viz,if He arose .they met a man who feigned ignorance then told them that messiah would come ,do miracles and die and rise again and used the tanakh to do that .

They said after he left ,did not our hearts burn with his words then believed it was Jesus .

I get the messianic Judaism and Christianity debate .

 

[jasonc]

I was told by God not to read John as told by my pastor when I got saved but to read Genesis as He said you are a Jew you need to know where you came from.

 

[T. E. Smith]

That's a big heresy .

You literally have said the old testament is not even relavelent.

When Jesus came there wasnt a new testament .he quoted the prophets .

He was a jew.he spoke to Jews to repent first .
He followed all biblical commands .

If you ignore that .you get heresies.Jesus and his nature is packed in the tanakh .when the apostles went to see Jesus ,viz,if He arose .they met a man who feigned ignorance then told them that messiah would come ,do miracles and die and rise again and used the tanakh to do that .

They said after he left ,did not our hearts burn with his words then believed it was Jesus .

I get the messianic Judaism and Christianity debate .

Yes it is a huge heresy, I agree, and I stand by it. The NT misuses the Tanakh constantly, to propagate its own religion.

 

[jasonc]

Yes it is a huge heresy, I agree, and I stand by it. The NT misuses the Tanakh constantly, to propagate its own religion.

So your agenda is the Bible writers ,Paul the apostles John,peter,and luke,who wrote acts,mark and James and jude all Jews .got it wrong .

That the ane.outside of the debate of the apocrypha as the Jews then and now after 100ad don't use the books ,the 66 books that are acknowledged are wrong .little old you having been born 2000 plus years is to tell the reformed and it's variants plus the rcc and orthodox they got it wrong ?

If I know you and corrected me on eternal security ,I would respond can't be externally secure by Christ if you don't believe that the God who used men to write the Bible .
Calvin and Jacobus and the brothers Wesleyan as there were two .Charles and his older brother who both lived in Savannah,ga .didn't teach that

You wonder why others say it this way .in fact you are not interested in the Bible but your version of it.

No Godly teacher whether arminist or reformed or in-between would allow this.

 

[T. E. Smith]

So your agenda is the Bible writers ,Paul the apostles John,peter,and luke,who wrote acts,mark and James and jude all Jews .got it wrong .

Yes

That the ane.outside of the debate of the apocrypha as the Jews then and now after 100ad don't use the books ,the 66 books that are acknowledged are wrong .little old you having been born 2000 plus years is to tell the reformed and it's variants plus the rcc and orthodox they got it wrong ?

I can barely understand what you are saying, but yes those various churches got it wrong.

If I know you and corrected me on eternal security ,I would respond can't be externally secure by Christ if you don't believe that the God who used me to write the Bible .
Calvin and Jacobus and the brothers Wesleyan as there were two .Charles and his older brother who both lived in Savannah,ga .didn't teach that

You wonder why others say it this way .in fact you are not interested in the Bible but your version of it.

No Godly teacher whether arminist or reformed or in-between would allow this.

Yeah, I definitely do not claim that those three theologians agree with me on the status of the Tanakh. Arminius and Wesley do agree with me that the Bible does not teach eternal security. But we are getting off topic.

 

[jasonc]

The modern Methodist Episcopal church has origins in Savannah,ga .the first church is still there near Chippewa park and is open

 

[hawkman]

The tanakh isn't Christian .

Yes I agree 100%.

I say the Tanakh is both Jewish and Christian . But that would be a discussion for another new thread .

 

[jasonc]

Yes

I can barely understand what you are saying, but yes those various churches got it wrong.

Yeah, I definitely do not claim that those three theologians agree with me on the status of the Tanakh. Arminius and Wesley do agree with me that the Bible does not teach eternal security. But we are getting off topic.

No completely revelant.
So God doesn't exist ,see you aren't interested In what is the Bible but to make agnostic or atheistic converts .

 

[T. E. Smith]

No completely revelant.
So God doesn't exist ,see you aren't interested In what is the Bible but to make agnostic or atheistic converts .

No I am not trying to convert. If I were, I'd admit I'm an atheist. No one at church knows I'm an atheist. How would I convince them to be atheists if they don't know I'm one? If you were going to try and convert people to Christianity, would you not claim you were a Christian?

I am interested in what is in the Bible, that was the whole point of this thread. Literally nothing else.

 

[jasonc]

You preach logic but take the Bible out of context as Jesus was born a Jew,Josephus and tacticus agree that Jesus was Jewish



The early church hand many that died for something they believed as taught by the apostles who also died for their views .yet they got it wrong .

The books of the Bible were an oral tradition and canonized upon that .the view on gnosticm and arian and the trinity debate were settled around the time of the official canon

 

[jasonc]

No I am not trying to convert. If I were, I'd admit I'm an atheist. No one at church knows I'm an atheist. How would I convince them to be atheists if they don't know I'm one? If you were going to try and convert people to Christianity, would you not claim you were a Christian?



I am interested in what is in the Bible, that was the whole point of this thread. Literally nothing else.

You were words are

I am not at eminity with God because I don't believe He exists .

That's atheism.

 

[T. E. Smith]

You preach logic but take the Bible out of context as Jesus was born a Jew,Josephus and tacticus agree that Jesus was Jewish



The early church hand many that died for something they believed as taught by the apostles who also died for their views .yet they got it wrong .

The books of the Bible were an oral tradition and canonized upon that .the view on gnosticm and arian and the trinity debate were settled around the time of the official canon

Yes Jesus was Jewish but we don't have any of his sayings beyond the NT, so if they were fabricated, we don't know if Jesus was just an ordinary Jew. About dying for their beliefs, do you not know that many Muslims die for their beliefs?

 

[jasonc]

Yes Jesus was Jewish but we don't have any of his sayings beyond the NT, so if they were fabricated, we don't know if Jesus was just an ordinary Jew. About dying for their beliefs, do you not know that many Muslims die for their beliefs?

I'm a veteran .
I know Islam up front and personal.

 

[jasonc]

So you want the Bible with your bias taught .an atheist should correct the pastor and elder ?

I would love to see that with you on Romans one vs 26.

You deny the tanakh .Paul quotes the tanakh on what is worthy of death and mentions as his audience would know the torah.

 

[Edward]

Yes

I can barely understand what you are saying, but yes those various churches got it wrong.

Yeah, I definitely do not claim that those three theologians agree with me on the status of the Tanakh. Arminius and Wesley do agree with me that the Bible does not teach eternal security. But we are getting off topic.

No he is not off topic. He's getting into the heart of the matter. Which is someone who does not even believe in God, and (Professes) the same is saying that is his belief in his heart...is not qualified to teach Christian Children or to correct the Christian teacher about anything even if the teacher is wrong and you are right about whatever minor issue.