Should I publicly correct my teacher?

[Dorothy Mae]

Quite alrright, Sister. That's what we're here for, and...points well taken. However,



I didn't mean to come across harshly. But surely you jest, Sister? Ok, perhaps he didn't claim to teach about God. But doesnt it sound like he's applying for the position without saying it exactly like that? He wants to correct the teacher. He wants to teach the teacher. He did say these things.

He is challenging Calvinism. That is not talking about God.

So yes that presents a problem here. I'm not saying that he is wrong about everything. But should a professing Atheist be allowed to teach Children or the Sunday School teacher about their own God? I think not.

He’s not purporting to teach, just question. Students are allowed to
ask questions. That’s all he wants.

It is commendable that the brother is apparently seeking the truth about God. But while he is a profeessing to have no faith in God atheist position, he has no business correcting the teacher.

I am not convinced he’s seeking truth. T. E. Smith, are you seeking truth?

The Suday School teacher is guarenteed to be wrong on some points. A false prophet is guarenteed to have a smidgin of truth within his words. The teacher is only human and sees through a glass darkly. And the best lies will be couched in the truth so it is a subtle long term deception which turns out wrong but started with a truth.

So those who hear aren’t allowed to ask questions?

I have heard obvious false prophets make astounding statements which are bullseye truths about God. So should I follow him now? God forbid! So again, sir you have no position to correct the teacher in the SS class. If you'd like to listen in and prayerfully ask for guidance from the Holy Spirit, hey, welcome.

He’s an atheist. No guidance will be forthcoming. God requires that those who ask of Him believe that He is good and is a rewarder of those who seek him.

If the man does not know God, how is he qualified to teach anyone? The carnal mind is emnity with God.
First thing, well I'm an atheist and renounced God, so now can I correct you too? I sense a great wrongness in that Sister. Let on who does know God correct the teacher if necessary, and study the scriptures daily as the Bereans do...that means you. That means me. I think it is a good sign that the brother feels convicted enough to be able to spot small errors in teachings and is moved to the desire to correct. That's a sign that the Holy Spirit has not given up on him! But in a renounced state of faith, honestly...he has no leg to stand on. Sir, be polite and don't interupt the teacher. Hold your place quietly.

Sorry but I think anyone is allowed to question nonsense. I do not see that Jesus based his answering of questions upon the qualifications of the one posing the questions.

I have warned him that it will go VERY BADLY. Calvinists do not tolerate any questions. They’d prefer to burn those asking questions over green wood, like Calvin himself. He’s not going to save those children no matter what. Been there, done that.

 

[Edward]

No I am not trying to convert. If I were, I'd admit I'm an atheist. No one at church knows I'm an atheist. How would I convince them to be atheists if they don't know I'm one? If you were going to try and convert people to Christianity, would you not claim you were a Christian?

I am interested in what is in the Bible, that was the whole point of this thread. Literally nothing else.

Doing this makes you a liar whose word can not be trusted.

 

[Edward]

So those who hear aren’t allowed to ask questions?

He did not say He wants to ask questions. He said he wants to be able to correct the teacher. Big difference.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

He did not say He wants to ask questions. He said he wants to be able to correct the teacher. Big difference.

Correct. @T.E.Smith, are you
going to ask questions or take over the teaching?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

He did not say He wants to ask questions. He said he wants to be able to correct the teacher. Big difference.

Correct. @T.E.Smith, are you
going to ask questions or take over the teaching?

 

[Edward]

He’s an atheist. No guidance will be forthcoming. God requires that those who ask of Him believe that He is good and is a rewarder of those who seek him.

Right. Something he wont do. SO he has made his decision to not believe. And that should restrict his right to correct the teacher, and rightly so. He holds nothing with Christians, he said so.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Right. Something he wont do. SO he has made his decision to not believe. And that should restrict his right to correct the teacher, and rightly so. He holds nothing with Christians, he said so.

I disagree. Truth should be supported no matter who says it. Or, honest questions deserve answers and Jesus had so
much wisdom, he could answer dishonest ones. To repeat, questions are not restricted to those who believe. Jesus is our example and he answered questions from non-believers. I know why. Truth is not afraid of untruth.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Edward Listen to the words of Dr. Robert Price: "I love the Bible. I have dedicated my life to the study of it." A good, Christian thing to say, right? No. Dr. Price is an open atheist, and was an atheist when he said that, and he still stands by that statement as much as always.

Most Christians don't understand how an atheist could have that sentiment. It's because many of them want to keep the Bible for themselves, like only they can understand it and get anything out of it. (By the way, I don't consider the Tanakh to be a Christian "Old Testament", but rather Jewish scriptures.) Let me address your post:


Yes I want to correct the teacher, because I think he is misinterpreting the verse. I have researched the issue, as I stated I have read all of Wesley's work and most of Jacob Arminius' work. Very few Calvinists can claim that, and I doubt my youth pastors can.

A professing (not quite sure what you mean by the word, are you questioning whether I am actually an atheist?) atheist should be allowed to tell the Sunday school teacher that he is misunderstanding what the Bible says, as long as they have citations and references and defenses to back up their claims.

I simply don't agree. My arguments against eternal security are completely independent of my atheism and so my atheism need not be relevant.

And that is why I am considering saying something.

I am not at emnity with God, because I don't believe in him. Are you at emnity with Allah? Are you at emnity with Zeus or Pan? Are you at emnity with Nut, Geb, Bes and Ptah? Obviously you are not, because you don't believe in them and don't think about them.

That's the thing: to my knowledge no one is correcting him. Everyone is swallowing his words. That is why I feel I should perhaps speak up.

Yes, I study the Scriptures daily, every day I read at least five chapters of the Bible. Only 11% of Americans read the Bible daily (any of the Bible, let alone multiple chapters), despite estimates of Christians in America being about 60% of the population! 9% of millennials read the Bible daily, and I'm even younger than that (by ~2 months).

I have a leg to stand on, the truth.

It will not go well for you. Calvinists have no scriptural nor logical basis for their position and they do not treat those who question their eternal security well. Just look at Calvin himself to see how they are. Oppose a Calvinist, that is, threaten his assurance that he’s going to heaven no matter how he behaves and YOU WILL SUFFER.

On that line, please read about the life of Mohammed and Calvin for a correct view into Islam and Calvinism. One can read about Calvin to see the fruit of that faith. It’s eye opening. Same with Mohammed.

 

[Edward]

Sorry but I think anyone is allowed to question nonsense. I do not see that Jesus based his answering of questions based upon the qualifications of the one posing the questions.

We should consider what this mans probable motive is to want to correct the teacher? How can he possibly be trying to edify the Children when He doesn't believe any of it.

Ok, it's for the Children and that sounds good so let's hire him?! But he promised he wouldn't try to convert anyone...

That's today. What about tomorrow? What if he has a good or bad day (take your pick) and feels moved to...enlighten the Children?

He has clearly shown himself to be a liar and admitted it. They think he is a Christian, but he is lying on his first day out. Sorry fellah, but you didin't get the job, now get out. Lol. Not my children. Your Children ok to be taught by him? He's here seeking validation and I don't think it's an edifying thing to do, show up on a Christian forum, I'm an atheist, but I lied about it to the church, should I be allowed to stand up and speak for the Children...???

That is Trollish.

 

[Edward]

To repeat, questions are not restricted to those who believe. Jesus is our example

You are correct, however, is he seeking the truth? He uh, never seemed to answer that yet? He sure sounds to be interested in his own opinions rather than the truth, at least to me...

 

[Edward]

He who seeks, finds. He who knocks it shall be opened...

Conclusion: He's not seeking or knocking. He is lying and said so.

 

[jasonc]

It will not go well for you. Calvinists have no scriptural nor logical basis for their position and they do not treat those who question their eternal security well. Just look at Calvin himself to see how they are. Oppose a Calvinist, that is, threaten his assurance that he’s going to heaven i matter how he behaves and YOU WILL SUFFER.

On that line, please read about the life of Mohammed for a correct view into Islam. One can read about Calvin to see the fruit of that faith. It’s eye opening.

So I guess the many arminist that meet to protest abortion locally ,oh wait there only the Catholics and the reformed that do that .and the reformed outnumber the Catholics.

I'm talking getting into the face of the clinics .

To imply questions Cant be asked is different then me from the sound booth stopping the pastor in mid sentence on doctrine .I have if allowed stated my case why I have different view but never against doctrine .

Yup lump the reformed .I attend a reformed church .it's demonotion is older the. Methodist.it predates america . All Presbyterian come out of it .are they caged Calvinists ?yes .these have left my church because they felt my humble pastor who refuses to die on that hill isn't that dogmatic .

I have been to both types .the founding faith of America was the reformed not Wesleyan.john and Charles left and didn't support the American revolution.

Their Church in America is being split away as the African Methodist said ,ordain gays ,nope we refuse !

I follow the Methodist every so often .I take photos of old churches .some here in my county are old

 

[Dorothy Mae]

We should consider what this mans probable motive is to want to correct the teacher? How can he possibly be trying to edify the Children when He doesn't believe any of it.

I don’t believe the teaching of Calvin either and I’m a deeply devoted follower of Jesus. But I’ve warned him it will not go well at all.

Ok, it's for the Children and that sounds good so let's hire him?! But he promised he wouldn't try to convert anyone...

He just wants to point out the flaws of Calvinism.

That's today. What about tomorrow? What if he has a good or bad day (take your pick) and feels moved to...enlighten the Children?

He said what he wants.

He has clearly shown himself to be a liar and admitted it.

Where?

They think he is a Christian, but he is lying on his first day out. Sorry fellah, but you didin't get the job, now get out. Lol. Not my children. Your Children ok to be taught by him? He's here seeking validation and I don't think it's an edifying thing to do, show up on a Christian forum, I'm an atheist, but I lied about it to the church, should I be allowed to stand up and speak for the Children...???

He’s not speaking for the church. And many many offspring of Christians become atheists. Perhaps a reason is they’re not allowed to question because the adults don’t bother to seek truth.

That is Trollish.

I guess it’s easy to dismiss some by callings them names.

I tell you that I personally am afraid of no question. It’s very unlikely he will ask a question I didn’t ask 40 years ago and since have received deeply satisfying answers, intellectually and emotionally.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

He who seeks, finds. He who knocks it shall be opened...

Conclusion: He's not seeking or knocking. He is lying and said so.

Are you sure?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

So I guess the many arminist that meet to protest abortion locally ,oh wait there only the Catholics and the reformed that do that .and the reformed outnumber the Catholics.

I'm talking getting into the face of the clinics .

To imply questions Cant be asked is different then me from the sound booth stopping the pastor in mid sentence on doctrine .I have if allowed stated my case why I have different view but never against doctrine .

Yup lump the reformed .I attend a reformed church .it's demonotion is older the. Methodist.it predates america . All Presbyterian come out of it .are they caged Calvinists ?yes .these have left my church because they felt my humble pastor who refuses to die on that hill isn't that dogmatic .

I have been to both types .the founding faith of America was the reformed not Wesleyan.john and Charles left and didn't support the American revolution.

Their Church in America is being split away as the African Methodist said ,ordain gays ,nope we refuse !

I follow the Methodist every so often .I take photos of old churches .some here in my county are old

Truth is of primary importance to me, not very concerned with labels.

 

[jasonc]

As one who bucks


I have others ask me why and that like or not can create doubt

 

[Edward]

No I am not trying to convert. If I were, I'd admit I'm an atheist. No one at church knows I'm an atheist. How would I convince them to be atheists if they don't know I'm one? If you were going to try and convert people to Christianity, would you not claim you were a Christian?

Where?

Right there, Sister.

 

[jasonc]

Truth is of primary importance to me, not very concerned with labels.

You labeled .

You read Calvin .we use the wcf.calvin was long dead by 1768.

There was no five points in his day .that came after . I hear things i wait before I respond .

 

[Edward]

He’s not speaking for the church. And many many offspring of Christians become atheists. Perhaps a reason is they’re not allowed to question because the adults don’t bother to seek truth.

He was speaking to the church. He started out by telling them a lie. He did not tell them he is atheist and he did tell them he is a Christian. Both are lies.

You asked for yourself, is he seeking the truth? Have you received an answer yet?

I guess it’s easy to dismiss some by callings them names.

I was just agreeing with Jason's observation. Sorry if I hurt the poor guys feelings, but, he.is.a.liar. and frankly, a ridiculous assertion. Hi I'm atheist, can I teach your children?

What is this, a joke? This isn't the humor forum. So if the shoe fits.

Are you sure?

Am I sure of he who seeks will find and he who knocks it shall be opened unto him...?

Yes I am Sister. explanation is very deep and would dominate the thread and take it off topic. So I'll try not to clutter up this thread with rabbit trails.

 

[jasonc]

He was speaking to the church. He started out by telling them a lie. He did not tell them he is atheist and he did tell them he is a Christian. Both are lies.

You asked for yourself, is he seeking the truth? Have you received an answer yet?



I was just agreeing with Jason's observation. Sorry if I hurt the poor guys feelings, but, he.is.a.liar. and frankly, a ridiculous assertion. Hi I'm atheist, can I teach your children?

What is this, a joke? This isn't the humor forum. So if the shoe fits.




Am I sure of he who seeks will find and he who knocks it shall be opened unto him...?

Yes I am Sister. explanation is very deep and would dominate the thread and take it off topic. So I'll try not to clutter up this thread with rabbit trails.

I felt it needed as led by the Lord