Should Tookie Die? December 13 deadline.

[Lyric's Dad]

I just.. I always miss the "pro-life but pro death stance.

But it does coincide with the "war is good" stance.

a sin is a sin is a sin. punishing some sins more severly than others is.. well is it good?

I noted that it was brought up that the bible justifies putting a man to death for murder.

I do wish to know

Why, as an atheist, do I continue to live?

Christians are pro life because they have find the idea of slicing, hacking and killing a baby to pieces for the "crime" of being alive as evil and repugnant.

Executing justice on a person who slaughters people and has been tried and convicted isn't the same thing by a long shot.

Putting that up there as if it is a statement that applies to all Christians is not exactly true. I am a Christian and I am against murder in ALL of it's methods. I do not subscribe to any notion that a government has the right to tie a man down and murder him.

 

[bibleberean]

I just.. I always miss the "pro-life but pro death stance.

But it does coincide with the "war is good" stance.

a sin is a sin is a sin. punishing some sins more severly than others is.. well is it good?

I noted that it was brought up that the bible justifies putting a man to death for murder.

I do wish to know

Why, as an atheist, do I continue to live?

Christians are pro life because they have find the idea of slicing, hacking and killing a baby to pieces for the "crime" of being alive as evil and repugnant.

Executing justice on a person who slaughters people and has been tried and convicted isn't the same thing by a long shot.

Putting that up there as if it is a statement that applies to all Christians is not exactly true. I am a Christian and I am against murder in ALL of it's methods. I do not subscribe to any notion that a government has the right to tie a man down and murder him.

I didn't say "all Christians believed in the death penalty." :D

 

[peace4all]

Genesis 9:5-6 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

war= bloodhsed, so why war?

there is the problem, of picking and choosing what parts of the bible to use, and what parts to enforce.

I am told alot that the NT basically overrides MOST of the OT.. so where in the NT does it say that people that shed someones blood, should be put to death?

 

[bibleberean]

Genesis 9:5-6 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

war= bloodhsed, so why war?

there is the problem, of picking and choosing what parts of the bible to use, and what parts to enforce.

I am told alot that the NT basically overrides MOST of the OT.. so where in the NT does it say that people that shed someones blood, should be put to death?

I am only going to answer this question that has been addressed several times in this thread already.

1. Noah was told that if a man murder's another man then the death penalty is required.

Genesis 9:5-6 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

The death penalty for murder has never been done away with.

2. In the New Testament governments not the church have the power to enforce justice with the "sword"...

Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Romans 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

Romans 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

 

[peace4all]

ok, then speaking of the death penalty.

why are soldiers not executed then? because it is the governments job to put to death murderers right? ( i rephrased it now so..)

I am sure you would say its ok to have an abortion doctor put to death for all of his "murders" but there are two sides to this coin.


It just isnt possible to be Pro life, Pro deathpenalty for murder AND pro war...

 

[Vic C.]

It just isnt possible to be Pro life, Pro deathpenalty for murder AND pro war...

This is where I disagree. Let me ask a hypothetical question. If given the chance to overrule capital punishment meant you had to overturn Roe vs. Wade, would you do it?

You can't justify killing an innocent unborn while at the same time cry out for the life of a convicted murderer. That is not very logical either.

Let me reverse the question...

Would I favor no abortion rights if it meant giving up capital punishment?

Yup!

 

[peace4all]

I am not pro abortion either.

I am pro humanitarianism i guess..

I would enjoy seeing no death penalty, along with limited abortions


i.e. ones that may kill the mother
victims of rape
babies that will be born with many developmental disabilities i.e. down syndrome etc.


But for the fac tof "i ddint use protection" or "i don't want it anymore" then that should be 100% illegal.

But, I do see the point you are trying to make, and i do know many people that would be totally dumbfounded and just.. have no clue

 

[greyfeather]

I have problems with the death penelty. One some police and and prosecuters are not above planting evidence or leaveing out things that would give reasonable doubt just to win a case and get it so called solved. I also know in the passed decade 56 retatarded persons have been put to death, I don't think that should ever be allowed. There are people who have been put to death , and then later it was found that they were innocent all along, but once your dead sorry just dosen't cut it. There have been 80 people in the past 10 years who were on death row who have been found not guilty , they spent many years locked away for a crime they did not comit, but they were lucky that it was found out ahead of the execution date. All in all I could not serve on a jury in a murder trial because I would not feel comfertable handing down a death sentence knowing all the things listed above.


Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God.

 

[cuiq]

First Christ did not abolish the law, He fulfilled the law. Did not Paul make these statements:

Rom 7:12
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
KJV

Rom 7:6-8
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
KJV


And if God does not condone murder as some here have said. Then what about the old testament? Did He not command Israel on many occasion's to kill all (save none alive).

If tookie was truely redeemed then he should feel that God blessed him immensly. Why? Because God allowed him to live twenty plus years in jail and to make the impact that he did. His life was not wasted.


Peace V