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Should We Hate Judas Iscariot?

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Should we hate Judas Iscariot?
by Joan Acocella
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Large Text Print E-Mail Feeds Single Page Caravaggio’s “The Taking of Christ.†Judas, Christianity’s primary image of human evil, is now the subject of a rehabilitation effort.

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Judas Iscariot; Susan Gubar; “Judas: A Biography†(Norton; $27.95); Herbert Krosney; “The Lost Gospel: The Quest for the Gospel of Judas Iscariotâ€Â; Codex Tchacos; Religion At the Last Supper, Jesus knew that it would be the last, and that he would be dead by the next day. Each of the Evangelists tells the story differently, but, according to John, Jesus spent the time he had left re-stating to the disciples the lessons he had taught them and trying to prop up their courage. At a certain point, however, he lost heart. “Very truly,†he said to his men, “one of you will betray me.†Who? they asked. And he answered, “It is the one to whom I give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish.†He then dipped a piece of bread into a dish and handed it to Judas Iscariot, a disciple whom the Gospels barely mention before the scene of the Last Supper but who now becomes very important. Once Judas takes the bread, Satan “entered into†him, John says. Is that a metaphor, meaning that Jesus’ prediction enables Judas to betray him? Maybe so, maybe not, but Jesus soon urges him directly. “Do quickly what you are going to do,†he says. And so Judas gets up from the table and leaves. That night (or perhaps even before the Last Supper), he meets with the priests of the Temple, makes the arrangements for the arrest, and collects his reward, the famous thirty pieces of silver.

That is the beginning of Jesus’ end, and of Judas’s. Jesus is arrested within hours. Judas, stricken with remorse, returns to the priests and tries to give them back their money. They haughtily refuse it. Judas throws the coins on the floor. He then goes out and hangs himself. He dies before Jesus does.

Did Judas deserve this fate? If Jesus informs you that you will betray him, and tells you to hurry up and do it, are you really responsible for your act? Furthermore, if your act sets in motion the processâ€â€Christ’s Passionâ€â€whereby humankind is saved, shouldn’t somebody thank you? No, the Church says. If you betray your friend, you are a sinner, no matter how foreordained or collaterally beneficial your sin. And, if the friend should happen to be the Son of God, so much the worse for you.

For two thousand years, Judas has therefore been Christianity’s primary image of human evil. Now, however, there is an effort to rehabilitate him, the result, partly, of an archeological find. In 1978 or thereabouts, some peasants digging for treasure in a burial cave in Middle Egypt came upon an old codexâ€â€that is, not a scroll but what we would call a book, with pagesâ€â€written in Coptic, the last form of ancient Egyptian. The book has been dated to the third or fourth century, but scholars believe that the four texts it contains are translations of writings, in Greek, from around the second century. When the codex was found, it was reportedly in good condition, but it then underwent a twenty-three-year journey through the notoriously venal antiquities market, where it suffered fantastic abuses, including a prolonged stay in a prospective buyer’s home freezer. (This caused the ink to run when the manuscript thawed.) The book was cracked in half, horizontally; pages were shuffled, torn out. By the time the codex reached the hands of restorers, in 2001, much of it was just a pile of crumbs. The repair job took five years, after which some of the book was still a pile of crumbs. Many passages couldn’t be read.


from the issuecartoon banke-mail thisAnd then there was the strangeness of what could be read. In the twentieth century, Bible scholars repeatedly had to deal with ancient booksâ€â€the Dead Sea scrolls, the Nag Hammadi libraryâ€â€that surfaced from the sands of the Middle East to wreak havoc with orthodoxy. These books said that much of what we call Christian doctrine predated Christ; that the universe was created by a female deity, and so on. The 1978 findâ€â€called the Codex Tchacos, for one of its successive owners, Frieda Tchacos Nussbergerâ€â€was even more surprising, because one of its texts, twenty-six pages long, was entitled “The Gospel of Judas.†It wasn’t written by Judas. (We don’t know if there was a historical Judas Iscariot.) It was a story about Judas, and in it the great villain, the Christ-killer, was portrayed as Jesus’ favorite disciple, the only one who understood him.

The Codex Tchacos, like the Nag Hammadi library, was the work of an ancient religious party, mostly Christian, that we call Gnostic. In the second century, Christianity was not an institution but a collection of warring factions, each with its own gospels, each claiming direct descent from Jesus, each accusing the others of heresy, homosexuality, and the like. In the fourth century, one group, or group of groups, won out: the people now known as the proto-orthodox, because, once they won, their doctrines became orthodoxy. The proto-orthodox were centrist. They embraced both the Hebrew Bible and the new law proclaimed by Jesus; they said that Jesus was both God and man; they believed that the world was both full of blessings and full of sin. Of the many gospels circulating, they chose four, called Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, which, by reason of their realism and emotional directnessâ€â€their lilies of the field and prodigal sonsâ€â€were most likely to appeal to regular people.

The Gnostics were differentâ€â€visionary, exclusionary. They scorned the Hebrew Bible; they said that the world was utterly evil; they claimed that the key to salvation was not faith or good behavior but secret knowledge, which was their exclusive property. The Gospel of Judas is entirely in line with this view. In it, most people have no hope of getting to Heaven. As for Jesus, he was not a man but wholly divine, and therefore Judas didn’t really have him killed. (Only a mortal can be killed.) According to some commentators, this Jesus asked Judas to release him from the human form he had assumed in order to descend to earth. Judas did him a favor.


What do you make of this?
 
If judas didn't betray christ then the bible is lie as they are several prophecies on that, I believe the bible today to be inerrant

jason
 
jasoncran said:
If judas didn't betray christ then the bible is lie as they are several prophecies on that, I believe the bible today to be inerrant

jason

I agree. Found this on my yahoo homepage and felt it most disturbing. What the world will not think of next. Seems Jesus, the Lord and Savior of the world is now subject to its slander. Frightening....amazes me how in knowing then what would be today He still gave His life. Truly took a lot of love. No doubt.
 
The world will try to wiggle a lie out of hell in to the churches of today so that those who are reprobate may feel not as guilty, it's a sign of the times to them that truly believe, see my post on the jw's as well i think you like that one

jason
 
I heard of the lost Gospel before, but I believe it was proved to be a fake. I think it was around 4 - 5 years ago when this news came out. Though in all reality its not to far fetched to think Jesus new who would betray him, or God had a say in who. Considering God influenced the Pharaoh in exodus etc.

To be honest the Story of Judas is really odd since If I remember right, in John Judas is Hanged while in Paul I believe he threw himself off a cliff. Please correct me if I'm wrong guys. :yes
 
You're close. In Matthew, Judas hangs himself, in Acts, he falls headlong into the field and bursts open.
One of those little mysteries in the Word.

I don't think we need to either hate or love Judas. Whatever Judas was, either Satan, or merely a vessel used by Satan, he died a very long time ago.

When Michael the archangel disputed with Satan regarding the body of Moses, he did not dare pronounce a railing judgment against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you."

We know that Satan entered into Judas. Whatever judgment still awaits Judas and Satan, the Lord will deal with.

As for the Gnostics, the article states "hey scorned the Hebrew Bible; they said that the world was utterly evil; they claimed that the key to salvation was not faith or good behavior but secret knowledge, which was their exclusive property."

If this is what is true about the Gnostics, then they were false teachers and the truth was not in them.
 
To be honest the Story of Judas is really odd since If I remember right, in John Judas is Hanged while in Paul I believe he threw himself off a cliff. Please correct me if I'm wrong guys.

Sorry I dont have the book of Paul in my Bible, :P I am sure you meant Acts

In Matthew 27 vs 5 we are told that Judas hanged himself.
In Acts 1 vs 18 it does say thet Judas fell headlong into the field and all his bowels gushed out.

maybe someone has an explanation for this? I dont Know!

(Handy's post was not their when I replied still it would be good for some kind of answer1)
I agree with Handy regarding the Gnostic gospels
 
Ed the Ned said:
To be honest the Story of Judas is really odd since If I remember right, in John Judas is Hanged while in Paul I believe he threw himself off a cliff. Please correct me if I'm wrong guys.

Sorry I dont have the book of Paul in my Bible, :P I am sure you meant Acts

In Matthew 27 vs 5 we are told that Judas hanged himself.
In Acts 1 vs 18 it does say thet Judas fell headlong into the field and all his bowels gushed out.

maybe someone has an explanation for this? I dont Know!

(Handy's post was not their when I replied still it would be good for some kind of answer1)
I agree with Handy regarding the Gnostic gospels
:lol Yeah I was referring to Acts, I had a Brain fart. :P
 
Here is how one pastor explained the "What happened to Judas" mystery:

Judas felt bad about betraying Christ. He threw the money back. The priests bought a field with the money in Judas' name. Judas decides to hang himself in the field. Because of the hot climate, his body swells and decomposes and because it was so grotesque when it was being taken down, it wasn't being handled carefully and therefore fell, bursting open upon impact.

Did it really happen this way? We'll never know. It's likely that the two accounts are incomplete details of the same story, but we'll never know exactly how it panned out. Nor, in the long run, does it really matter. Judas didn't... end well. :gah
 
http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/libr ... h5.15.html

"When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first."

Matthew 19:25-30


This one is very simple. Jesus (pbuh) is alleged here to be speaking to all twelve of his apostles and telling all twelve of them that they shall sit on twelve thrones judging the tribes of Israel on the Day of Resurrection. So, the logical question becomes: who are these twelve who he is addressing? Let us ask the same "Gospel of Luke" and see what it says:


"And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles; Simon, (whom he also named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew, Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zelotes, And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor."

Luke 6:13-16


So, according to the gospel of Luke, Jesus (pbuh) allegedly promised the traitor Judas that he has a throne reserved for him in heaven. Not only that, but he shall sit on this throne judging the twelve tribes of Israel on that day. It is obvious that Judas is included because Jesus says "YOU shall ..." In other words he is addressing the twelve men who are standing before him. He also explicitly mentions the word "twelve thrones." The twelfth can not be "St. Paul", the self-appointed replacement for Judas, since Jesus (pbuh) never met Paul. So Paul was not present in this meeting where Jesus addressed all of his apostles and told them that "THEY" shall judge Israel from twelve thrones.


Once again, the tampering fingers have left their mark."
 
But then you have to read, as the late, great Paul Harvey would say, "the rest of the story". Even within what Jesus said to the disciples in the text you share, Walter, he qualified it with, "ye which have followed me". Judas ceased to follow Jesus, but instead turned against Him. Later, much later, as Jesus was preparing to go to the cross and was praying for the 11 disciples that had not ceased to follow Him, He said to the Father, "While I was with them, I was keeping them in Thy name which Thou has given me; and I guarded them, and not one of them perished but the son of perdition." This happened before Judas killed himself, but nonetheless, Jesus pronounced that Judas had "perished" (past tense).

Also, when Peter spoke for the disciples saying "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life. And we have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God", Jesus answered and said, "Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil." And, just so that we won't be confused as to what Jesus meant here, the text clarifies: "Now He meant Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray Him.
 
Judas did follow Him for most of the way. There is no sin that can't be forgiven except blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Judas repented.

He said "you twelve" and "twelve thrones"

Judas was in the room.

It seems plain to me. If Judas can't be forgiven then the Word is a lie.
 
NO Judas probably went to heaven (the right side of the gulf) He repented for what he did,,,and what he did was not the unforgivable sin,,,also he did not and I repeat did not comit suicide.........
 
NIGHTMARE said:
NO Judas probably went to heaven (the right side of the gulf) He repented for what he did,,,and what he did was not the unforgivable sin,,,also he did not and I repeat did not comit suicide.........


Whether he committed suicide or not suicide is not unforgivable.

See, I believe blaspheming the Holy Spirit is, but is not limited to, knowing God's grace and salvation and knowingly and determinedly turning away from Him and rejecting HIM. Knowing without a doubt that everything God says is true but rejecting Him anyway.Think of it as a man being in a pit and someone pulls him out, dresses his wounds and makes him whole only to have the first man reject his saviour in ungratitude, behaving and believing that the help never came.
 
walter said:
NIGHTMARE said:
NO Judas probably went to heaven (the right side of the gulf) He repented for what he did,,,and what he did was not the unforgivable sin,,,also he did not and I repeat did not comit suicide.........


Whether he committed suicide or not suicide is not unforgivable.

See, I believe blaspheming the Holy Spirit is, but is not limited to, knowing God's grace and salvation and knowingly and determinedly turning away from Him and rejecting HIM. Knowing without a doubt that everything God says is true but rejecting Him anyway.Think of it as a man being in a pit and someone pulls him out, dresses his wounds and makes him whole only to have the first man reject his saviour in ungratitude, behaving and believing that the help never came.

Well murder is not forgivable in the flesh,,,,im not saying suicide falls under the category of murder....

Its one of those things we just leave up to the Almighty.....But I believe he was forgivin....besides Judas was spoken of in the old test....
 
NIGHTMARE said:
walter said:
NIGHTMARE said:
NO Judas probably went to heaven (the right side of the gulf) He repented for what he did,,,and what he did was not the unforgivable sin,,,also he did not and I repeat did not comit suicide.........


Whether he committed suicide or not suicide is not unforgivable.

See, I believe blaspheming the Holy Spirit is, but is not limited to, knowing God's grace and salvation and knowingly and determinedly turning away from Him and rejecting HIM. Knowing without a doubt that everything God says is true but rejecting Him anyway.Think of it as a man being in a pit and someone pulls him out, dresses his wounds and makes him whole only to have the first man reject his saviour in ungratitude, behaving and believing that the help never came.

Well murder is not forgivable in the flesh,,,,im not saying suicide falls under the category of murder....

Its one of those things we just leave up to the Almighty.....But I believe he was forgivin....besides Judas was spoken if in the old test....

What part of there is only one unforgivable sin is aluding you? Murder is forgivale.
 
NIGHTMARE said:
NO Judas probably went to heaven (the right side of the gulf) He repented for what he did,,,and what he did was not the unforgivable sin,,,also he did not and I repeat did not comit suicide.........

So the Bible is in error when Matthew 27:5 states, "and he went away and hanged himself"?

I disagree that Judas repented unto forgiveness. We are not told that Judas repented of his sin and asked forgiveness for it. We are told that he "felt remorse". There are two different words involved here, metamellomai and metanoeo. Here is something from the Blue Letter Bible:

See Definition for metamellomai G3338 (Currently Viewing)
See Definition for metanoeo G3340

The distinction often given between these is; G3338 refers to an emotional change, G3340 to an change of choice, G3338 has reference to particulars, G3340 to the entire life, G3338 signifies nothing but regret even amounting to remorse, G3340 that reversal of moral purpose known as repentance; does not seem to be sustained by usage. But that G3340 is the fuller and nobler term, expressive of moral action and issues, is indicated not only by its derivation, but by the greater frequency of its use and by the fact it is often used in the imperative.

When the Bible speaks of the kind of repentance that leads to the forgiveness of sins, the word used is metanoeo. Metamellomai is a word that is used more for the idea of feeling sorry for one's actions, or feeling regret about how something turned out.

I don't think there is anything within the Scriptures that indicate that Judas asked for or received forgiveness. Jesus said that he perished and that he was the son of perdition.

From Strong's:

1) destroying, utter destruction

a) of vessels

2) a perishing, ruin, destruction

a) of money

b) the destruction which consists of eternal misery in hell

Also, Paul was never considered to be one of the 12. It was the disciple Matthias who was numbered with the 11. Acts 1:21-26
 
With all due respect you guys need to stop relying so heavily on all this eschatological stuff. Human understanding is flawed.

It's almost as if you deny God's ability to teach but only accept learning if it comes from a human mouth.
 
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Well murder is not forgivable in the flesh,,,,im not saying suicide falls under the category of murder....

Its one of those things we just leave up to the Almighty.....But I believe he was forgivin....besides Judas was spoken if in the old test....[/quote]

What part of there is only one unforgivable sin is aluding you? Murder is forgivale.[/quote]

Please slow down and read,,,, I said murder is not forgivable in the flesh,,,,,,God gave strick instructions to send murders to HIm......So nothing is aluding me shall I post the scriptures for you???????
 
NIGHTMARE said:
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Well murder is not forgivable in the flesh,,,,im not saying suicide falls under the category of murder....

Its one of those things we just leave up to the Almighty.....But I believe he was forgivin....besides Judas was spoken if in the old test....

What part of there is only one unforgivable sin is aluding you? Murder is forgivale.[/quote]

Please slow down and read,,,, I said murder is not forgivable in the flesh,,,,,,God gave strick instructions to send murders to HIm......So nothing is aluding me shall I post the scriptures for you???????[/quote]

Yes please, post them.

Nowhere do I ever say that a murderer should not be punished. It is called consequences. We are commanded to forgive by Jesus. That doesn't mean that the sinner should escape the consequences of their actions but we can forgive them and accept their repentance. They still must be punished according to earthly law.
 
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