Shouldn’t we embrace Arminianism?

[jasonc]

is not necessarily eternal security . its more of those who are truly saved will stay with it.. if they stray they will return, actually when it comes to someone else's salvation . we soon form a opinion on who is saved and who is not. but if we do it were ok

That's perseverance of the sAints ,same wording

 

[jerry63935]

That's perseverance of the sAints ,same wording

those who are saved will endure to the end
not same teaching as eternal security pos those truly saved will stick with it

 

[Episcopius]

Total Depravity could be accepted by Arminians, though not defined as the TULIP-sniffers do.

God's preveinent grace enables a person to choose Christ.

Man is not a robot, an automaton, doomed from the womb as Calvin would say

 

[jasonc]

those who are saved will endure to the end
not same teaching as eternal security pos those truly saved will stick with it

Its is ,trust me I have heard the reformed pastors word it the same as those one pointers


I quote Adrian Rogers ,

Sometimes ,chikdren want to go one way that is harmful,and the parents drag them by arm to safety


Now Calvin ,our hearts are continually idolatrous and we always seek idols,God in his mysterious ways will bring men back to serving him,before death ,if not they were never truly saved

Really not different

 

[Episcopius]

Simplest description of Calvinism vs Arminianism
In Calvinism, it is determined from eternity past what will be the ultimate state of a person, with no regard for what they think, do or believe.

In Arminianism, man has a FREE WILL CHOICE even though born in sin.

 

[Episcopius]

Oh, the "never saved to begin with" card...

 

[Episcopius]

Hebrews 6:4-6

 

[jerry63935]

Its is ,trust me I have heard the reformed pastors word it the same as those one pointers


I quote Adrian Rogers ,

Sometimes ,chikdren want to go one way that is harmful,and the parents drag them by arm to safety


Now Calvin ,our hearts are continually idolatrous and we always seek idols,God in his mysterious ways will bring men back to serving him,before death ,if not they were never truly saved

Really not different

to be honest of 2 teachings armn/ calv really its not that big issue .its all in how you live it . there is a security .but it never was made for a license to sin . we will sin and have sin i preach tech a know so salvation . many things i can not answer mainly as im not the judge of salvation

 

[Episcopius]

Paul did not count himself to have apprehended

 

[jasonc]

to be honest of 2 teachings armn/ calv really its not that big issue .its all in how you live it . there is a security .but it never was made for a license to sin . we will sin and have sin i preach tech a know so salvation . many things i can not answer mainly as im not the judge of salvation

I don't consider those that do teach it as ones who say its a license to sin,,only,that both one pointers and reformed are sayinh the same

 

[jerry63935]

I don't consider those that do teach it as ones who say its a license to sin,,only,that both one pointers and reformed are sayinh the same

lol it's all yours .. i have nothing else more to contribute.. but i leave this parting thought . they would say the same with your way of belief .i have studied this out for years .neither side can find a scripture that says Check mate

 

[Episcopius]

"Individuals are born, who are

doomed from the womb

To certain death"

Calvin, Institutes, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6

Check and Checkmate

 

[Episcopius]

You don't need a Scripture, you need what Calvin himself wrote, . As he tried to regurgitate Augustine's Double Predestination from 1000 years before his time WHICH THE ANCIENT CHURCH HAD ALREADY REJECTED !!

The ancient church rejected both Pelagius as well as the double predestination of Augustine - deemed that neither was right

 

[jerry63935]

"Individuals are born, who are

doomed from the womb

To certain death"

Calvin, Institutes, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6

Check and Checkmate

you playing by yourself we are appointed to die once then the judgment christians the bema seat of rewards lost white throne judgement eternal damnation . christians live again lost die again the 2nd death i am the resurrection Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, there is the real check mate---->Jesus

 

[jasonc]

Predestination

A brief explanation of the doctrine of predestination by the Rev. Dr. David E. Leininger.

leiningers.com

I,have not heard that idea taught in church .that concept of determinism implies wht even reach the lost .

Hypercalvinism ,not taught in my church or the ones I do know

 

[jerry63935]

You don't need a Scripture, you need what Calvin himself wrote

i dont need a man only the man in the middle

 

[Episcopius]

In order to embrace Arminianism, you need to look at what it rejected - the double predestination of Augustine which the ancient church had already rejected.

I personally am sorry there ever had to be any such thing as Arminianism.

The Church had rightly rejected the extremes that both Pelagius and Augustine tried to put over.

Calvin vomited back up the double predestination of Augustine 1000 years later, his followers came along with all these speculations about "God's DECREES"

Supralapsarian, Infralapsarianism, etc. Arminius understood all the talk about the decrees, he spoke the language of it, he was able to refute the regurgitation of the doom from the womb horrors - the corona of Calvinism was gaining ground, it was Wesley in England that revived ARMINIAN thought - Wesley published The ARMINIAN Magazine...

Some early Methodists like Whitefield and Toplady were Calvinists

 

[Episcopius]

Things don't happen in a political vacuum, by the time Methodism spread to America, Coke and Asbury had to stand against Church of England and King George

 

[Episcopius]

Yes, Michelina, you should embrace Arminianism.

You won't see it discussed fairly on message-boards - they are full of TULIP-pukers like those hassling you.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I lean reformed, not really dedicated. I think God knows who belongs to Him, basically.