[_ Old Earth _] Shouldn't theistic evolutionists and YEC's agree to disagree

[Charlie Hatchett]

Hey Late_Cretaceous.

We've never chatted much before.

What are your beliefs concerning Christ and the God of the Judeo-Christian

Scripture?



Peace

 

[Khristeeanos]

Hey Late_Cretaceous.

We've never chatted much before.

What are your beliefs concerning Christ and the God of the Judeo-Christian

Scripture?



Peace

He probably posted in the "what do you believe" section that will give a small bit of information.

But I would wait until he posts a reply to this post as well.

 

[reznwerks]

atheists

Many people believe in Jesus, but don't really believe in Him. If you know what I mean. Many athiests believe in the existance of a historical Jesus, even Muslims have Jesus in their writings. But none of them believe in salvation offered through Jesus. There are those who masquerade as Christians and claim to bleieve in slavation but they don't really have a relationship with christ. Catholics fall into this category. In a previous post LC admitted to being a catholic, and he promotes the theory of evolution. LC is as much a Christian as Osama Bin Laden. Same goes for all the other evolutionist Christians.

I would differ on your claim of an historical Jesus being accepted by most atheists. Most atheists in particular are highly aware of the lack of any historical documentation regarding the reality of Jesus. Muslims (Islam) having Jesus in their writings should shock no one as they too are just repeating what has been passed down to them in story. Islam traces their beginings to the the Old Testament as well.

 

[Khristeeanos]

Re: atheists

Many people believe in Jesus, but don't really believe in Him. If you know what I mean. Many athiests believe in the existance of a historical Jesus, even Muslims have Jesus in their writings. But none of them believe in salvation offered through Jesus. There are those who masquerade as Christians and claim to bleieve in slavation but they don't really have a relationship with christ. Catholics fall into this category. In a previous post LC admitted to being a catholic, and he promotes the theory of evolution. LC is as much a Christian as Osama Bin Laden. Same goes for all the other evolutionist Christians.

I would differ on your claim of an historical Jesus being accepted by most atheists. Most atheists in particular are highly aware of the lack of any historical documentation regarding the reality of Jesus. Muslims (Islam) having Jesus in their writings should shock no one as they too are just repeating what has been passed down to them in story. Islam traces their beginings to the the Old Testament as well.

You can't rewrite history.

Jesus is a real Person.

What year do we live in by the way? ;-)

All of history is divided by the life of Jesus. There is Before Christ and In the Year of Our Lord (AD in latin).

Pliney the Younger and Josepheus are just two prominant people to record the life of Christ from a secular perspective in the first century besides the Bible, which was written within just a few years of Jesus return to heaven.

 

[reznwerks]

Re: atheists

Many people believe in Jesus, but don't really believe in Him. If you know what I mean. Many athiests believe in the existance of a historical Jesus, even Muslims have Jesus in their writings. But none of them believe in salvation offered through Jesus. There are those who masquerade as Christians and claim to bleieve in slavation but they don't really have a relationship with christ. Catholics fall into this category. In a previous post LC admitted to being a catholic, and he promotes the theory of evolution. LC is as much a Christian as Osama Bin Laden. Same goes for all the other evolutionist Christians.

I would differ on your claim of an historical Jesus being accepted by most atheists. Most atheists in particular are highly aware of the lack of any historical documentation regarding the reality of Jesus. Muslims (Islam) having Jesus in their writings should shock no one as they too are just repeating what has been passed down to them in story. Islam traces their beginings to the the Old Testament as well.

You can't rewrite history.
I'm not.

Jesus is a real Person.
Fact, there is not any comtemporary evidence to confirm the life of Jesus. Contemporary means at the supposed time of his existance.

What year do we live in by the way? ;-)
Are you implying because we use AD BC in our reference to dating? If so the Romans used similar dating based on their Gods as well. Are they real too?

All of history is divided by the life of Jesus. There is Before Christ and In the Year of Our Lord (AD in latin).
If you do your homework you will discover that these traditions were arrived at based on political consensus. I don't dispute that Christianity exists and has existed.

Pliney the Younger and Josepheus are just two prominant people to record the life of Christ from a secular perspective in the first century besides the Bible, which was written within just a few years of Jesus return to heaven.
Here is why your two references don't stand up to scrutiny.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ ... html#pliny

 

[Heidi]

Re: atheists

Many people believe in Jesus, but don't really believe in Him. If you know what I mean. Many athiests believe in the existance of a historical Jesus, even Muslims have Jesus in their writings. But none of them believe in salvation offered through Jesus. There are those who masquerade as Christians and claim to bleieve in slavation but they don't really have a relationship with christ. Catholics fall into this category. In a previous post LC admitted to being a catholic, and he promotes the theory of evolution. LC is as much a Christian as Osama Bin Laden. Same goes for all the other evolutionist Christians.

I would differ on your claim of an historical Jesus being accepted by most atheists. Most atheists in particular are highly aware of the lack of any historical documentation regarding the reality of Jesus. Muslims (Islam) having Jesus in their writings should shock no one as they too are just repeating what has been passed down to them in story. Islam traces their beginings to the the Old Testament as well.

You can't rewrite history.
I'm not.

Jesus is a real Person.
Fact, there is not any comtemporary evidence to confirm the life of Jesus. Contemporary means at the supposed time of his existance.

What year do we live in by the way? ;-)
Are you implying because we use AD BC in our reference to dating? If so the Romans used similar dating based on their Gods as well. Are they real too?

All of history is divided by the life of Jesus. There is Before Christ and In the Year of Our Lord (AD in latin).
If you do your homework you will discover that these traditions were arrived at based on political consensus. I don't dispute that Christianity exists and has existed.

Pliney the Younger and Josepheus are just two prominant people to record the life of Christ from a secular perspective in the first century besides the Bible, which was written within just a few years of Jesus return to heaven.
Here is why your two references don't stand up to scrutiny.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ ... html#pliny

:o
Contemporary evidence? Why do you look to people who didn't witness a person's life for evidence that he existed? :o If, in 2,000 years there was no evidence that you existed, does that mean you didn't exist? We would have to go back to the eye-witness documentation to see whether or not you existed. But, by your criteria, then those who lived 2,000 years after you existed would know better than the eye-witnesses that you didn't exist. You need to think things through a lot more deeply, friend. ;-)

 

[Charlie Hatchett]

If someone prefers to not look at eye-witness testimony as proof that someone else existed, then there is nothing you can do for them. Yet these same people believe the eye-witnesses to Caesar's life or any other figure in history. There is nothing you can do about this kind of irrationality.
_________________
Yours in Christ,
Heidi

Charlie

Your correct Heidi.

Jesus is the most historicaly documented figure to date.

Most expert historians don't doubt his existence as a man a bit.

The dispute begins with His miraculous acts and His diety.

Peace

 

[ArtGuy]

Re: atheists

Contemporary evidence? Why do you look to people who didn't witness a person's life for evidence that he existed? :o If, in 2,000 years there was no evidence that you existed, does that mean you didn't exist? We would have to go back to the eye-witness documentation to see whether or not you existed. But, by your criteria, then those who lived 2,000 years after you existed would know better than the eye-witnesses that you didn't exist. You need to think things through a lot more deeply, friend. ;-)

If, in 2000 years, nobody could find tangible evidence that you existed, nobody would think much of it, because you are - sorry to say - insiginificant from a historical perspective. It's like us talking about Bob the baker who lived in Jerusalem 2000 years ago. He may have existed, he may not have, but it's impossible to tell because nobody would've cared enough to log his exploits. Now, if 2000 years from now, there were writings on all the great leaders of our time, but nobody could find any information about Abe Lincoln except, say, a work of historical fiction, that wouldn't look good for proponents of Abe's existence.

Not to say that the Bible is a work of fiction, or that Jesus never existed, but you seem genuinely baffled by the prospect that someone might want some supporting evidence for Christ's existence.